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an excellent read from the ACLU
On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:02:09 +1100, "Trevor" wrote:
: : "tony cooper" wrote in message : news : Governments do the buying with taxpayers money, taxpayers rarely have any : say in it. : : The government employees who do the buying are, themselves, taxpayers. : In fact, they are sharing the burden more than many since they are : employed - usually at rather good salaries : : That's the problem, it's not their money they waste, and they usually have : a far better life style than many others. The widespread belief that government employees in the U.S. are lavishly compensated is largely myth. Police officers and teachers are usually paid more than private sector employees of comparable education and experience, because they're represented by extremely powerful labor unions. (In some jurisdictions the same is true of fire fighters.) But the rest don't usually fare as well as private-sector employees. : and paying income taxes, property taxes, and taxes on purchases. : : Which is why they love flat taxes so much. The old days of progressive taxes : where those who could afford it actually paid more, are just about gone : unfortunately. The new paradigm is the richer you are, the better the : accountant you can afford, shelf companies you can set up, family trusts you : can utilise, off shore tax havens you can register, and the less tax you : actually pay. The tax burdon now falls almost entirely on the middle class : and poorest members of the community because they have no ability to escape : it. : : Trevor. And where on earth did you get the idea that public sector employees love flat taxes? I've been a public sector employee for almost 17 years, and I can't remember the last time I heard one, other than a candidate pandering to the Tea Party, advocate a flat tax. Bob |
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an excellent read from the ACLU
Robert Coe wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:02:09 +1100, "Trevor" wrote: : : "tony cooper" wrote in message : news : Governments do the buying with taxpayers money, taxpayers rarely have any : say in it. : : The government employees who do the buying are, themselves, taxpayers. : In fact, they are sharing the burden more than many since they are : employed - usually at rather good salaries : : That's the problem, it's not their money they waste, and they usually have : a far better life style than many others. The widespread belief that government employees in the U.S. are lavishly compensated is largely myth. Police officers and teachers are usually paid more than private sector employees of comparable education and experience, No they're not. Teachers are paid little compared to the many years of training required and the hours that they put in. Police and fire are paid a lot because they work at dangerous jobs. because they're represented by extremely powerful labor unions. You really are a sucker for right-wing propaganda, aren't you? -- Ray Fischer | None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. | Goethe |
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an excellent read from the ACLU
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an excellent read from the ACLU
"Robert Coe" wrote in message ... And where on earth did you get the idea that public sector employees love flat taxes? I've been a public sector employee for almost 17 years, and I can't remember the last time I heard one, other than a candidate pandering to the Tea Party, advocate a flat tax. I said the highly paid public sector employees, ie. the fat cats making the taxation recommendations to politicians. Are YOU one of those? Obviously the lowly public sector employees have no say in the matter. Trevor. |
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an excellent read from the ACLU
On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:33:27 +1100, "Trevor" wrote:
: : "Robert Coe" wrote in message : ... : And where on earth did you get the idea that public sector employees : love flat taxes? I've been a public sector employee for almost 17 years, : and I can't remember the last time I heard one, other than a candidate : pandering to the Tea Party, advocate a flat tax. : : I said the highly paid public sector employees, ie. the fat cats making : the taxation recommendations to politicians. : Are YOU one of those? : Obviously the lowly public sector employees have no say in the matter. Here's the quote, from Tony Cooper, to which you responded: "The government employees who do the buying are, themselves, taxpayers. In fact, they are sharing the burden more than many since they are employed - usually at rather good salaries - and paying income taxes, property taxes, and taxes on purchases." The government employees who do the buying are purchasing agents, financial analysts, etc. They are not the "fat cats" (almost none of whom are government employees) of which you speak. And very few of them are advocates of a flat tax. Me? I work for a City government as a computer system manager and photographer. Is that lowly enough to let me off the hook? Bob |
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an excellent read from the ACLU
Robert Coe wrote:
On 19 Dec 2011 19:00:02 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote: : Robert Coe wrote: : On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:02:09 +1100, "Trevor" wrote: : : : : "tony cooper" wrote in message : : news : : Governments do the buying with taxpayers money, taxpayers rarely have : : any say in it. : : : : The government employees who do the buying are, themselves, taxpayers. : : In fact, they are sharing the burden more than many since they are : : employed - usually at rather good salaries : : : : That's the problem, it's not their money they waste, and they usually : : have a far better life style than many others. : : The widespread belief that government employees in the U.S. are lavishly : compensated is largely myth. Police officers and teachers are usually paid : more than private sector employees of comparable education and experience, : : No they're not. Teachers are paid little compared to the many years : of training required and the hours that they put in. Police and fire : are paid a lot because they work at dangerous jobs. : : because they're represented by extremely powerful labor unions. : : You really are a sucker for right-wing propaganda, aren't you? Did you actually say that? I hope it's just your idea of a bad joke. Anybody who whines about the power of unions while ignoriong the power of corporations and government cannot be very smart. The right to choose who you work for and under what terms is fundamental to a free society. -- Ray Fischer | None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. | Goethe |
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an excellent read from the ACLU
George Kerby wrote:
On 12/19/11 4:15 PM, in article , "Robert Coe" wrote: On 19 Dec 2011 19:00:02 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote: : Robert Coe wrote: : On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:02:09 +1100, "Trevor" wrote: : : : : "tony cooper" wrote in message : : news : : Governments do the buying with taxpayers money, taxpayers rarely have : : any say in it. : : : : The government employees who do the buying are, themselves, taxpayers. : : In fact, they are sharing the burden more than many since they are : : employed - usually at rather good salaries : : : : That's the problem, it's not their money they waste, and they usually : : have a far better life style than many others. : : The widespread belief that government employees in the U.S. are lavishly : compensated is largely myth. Police officers and teachers are usually paid : more than private sector employees of comparable education and experience, : : No they're not. Teachers are paid little compared to the many years : of training required and the hours that they put in. Police and fire : are paid a lot because they work at dangerous jobs. : : because they're represented by extremely powerful labor unions. : : You really are a sucker for right-wing propaganda, aren't you? Did you actually say that? I hope it's just your idea of a bad joke. If it isn't, then you must not have read, or at least not have understood, anything else I've ever said, even in this very thread. Or have I simply failed to appreciate an outpouring of your sarcastic wit? If so, then I guess you'll just have to excuse my obtuseness. Bob LeftTards wouldn't know "wit" if it walked up and kicked them in the ass. Like a little ****ty chihuahua dog that no one pays any attention, you just bark on, begging for attention kerby explains his childishness -- Ray Fischer | None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. | Goethe |
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an excellent read from the ACLU
"Robert Coe" wrote in message ... : And where on earth did you get the idea that public sector employees : love flat taxes? I've been a public sector employee for almost 17 years, : and I can't remember the last time I heard one, other than a candidate : pandering to the Tea Party, advocate a flat tax. : : I said the highly paid public sector employees, ie. the fat cats making : the taxation recommendations to politicians. : Are YOU one of those? : Obviously the lowly public sector employees have no say in the matter. Here's the quote, from Tony Cooper, to which you responded: "The government employees who do the buying are, themselves, taxpayers. In fact, they are sharing the burden more than many since they are employed - usually at rather good salaries - and paying income taxes, property taxes, and taxes on purchases." That was already in response to what I wrote, and just like you tried to make a straw man out of misrepresnting it. The government employees who do the buying are purchasing agents, financial analysts, etc. They are not the "fat cats" (almost none of whom are government employees) of which you speak. And very few of them are advocates of a flat tax. As I said, many of the taxation policy advisors are. Me? I work for a City government as a computer system manager and photographer. Is that lowly enough to let me off the hook? I never put you on it. What influence do YOU feel you have over taxation policy that you *would* be included? Trevor. |
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an excellent read from the ACLU
"John A." wrote in message ... As I said, many of the taxation policy advisors are. Lobbyists? Oh yeah. They're not government employees, though. (Government employee employers, maybe.) NOT party lobbyists, government paid advisors, chief bureaucrats and department heads. Trevor. |
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