Commenting On Unused Equipment

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:18:53 -0700, Paul Furman
wrote:

Why post in the DSLR group? You don't use DSLRs, right?

Why do you bash all P&S cameras in the other group? You don't use P&S
cameras and have no first-hand knowledge of their capabilities, right?
Hell, you can't even properly use the DSLR camera you have, for the right
to post in the DSLR group with any valid advice whatsoever.

You brought this on your own stupid troll self. As did the rest of you P&S
slamming DSLR-Trolls.

I'm just trying to figure out why you DSLR-Trolls do it, inventing wild
imaginings about cameras that you've never used. In the hopes that maybe
you'll learn to stop doing it. It gets so ****ingly boring having to
correct your incessant misinformation borne of your own ignorance,
stupidity, and inexperience.

I can't ask all the DSLR-Trolls why they do it if they're not going to see
the question by hiding out in this newsgroup, and then jumping over to the
other group only when they psychotically want to bash all P&S cameras. Can
I.

Does that answer your pathetically stupid DSLR-Troll's question?

Michael writes:
We know why, of course: you're the infamous P&S Troll. We simply don't
know specifically why you are a troll, or why you chose to target this
group in particular. Nor do we care, actually.

I was wondering how many responses I'd read before someone recognized
our infamous friend.

Using one of his standard trolling techniques too. He may be an idiot
when it comes to photography, but he's actually pretty skillful at
trolling...

-Miles

--
Politeness, n. The most acceptable hypocrisy.

Miles Bader wrote:
Michael writes:
We know why, of course: you're the infamous P&S Troll. We simply don't
know specifically why you are a troll, or why you chose to target this
group in particular. Nor do we care, actually.
I was wondering how many responses I'd read before someone recognized
our infamous friend.

Using one of his standard trolling techniques too. He may be an idiot
when it comes to photography, but he's actually pretty skillful at
trolling...

Or a handful of posters are unskilled at avoiding the bait.....
cough, splutter.......

--
john mcwilliams

I'd wonder how many of those DSLR psychotics would reply, never
realizing
that I HAVE used DSLRs, sold them all when I found out P&S cameras
were
better. So I *DO* have first-hand knowledge of what I speak about.
How do
you think I know of so many of the glaring faults wrapped in the DSLR
design concept? Found the faults by using the cameras.


Not picking a fight or feeding a troll....

But since you brought it up, can you tell us what experience you have
with DSLRs such as make and model. That way, one could better judge how
up to date your views are and how broad your experience level is with
various makes.

Many significant changes have been made in P&S cameras (I have 3 recent
vintage) and DSLRs (6) with the oldest being about 40 years old (K1000)
and the latest over a year old (K20D). I've shot a number of Nikons (F1
to D60) over the years, a few Cannon's and sampled probably most other
brands (from Ashai to Rollies) in my early years when I worked in a
photo lab.

So my particular experience is probably about average with other
amateurs in my age group and while I may not have experience with the
exact model being discussed, I may weigh in and provide a generalized
opinion if I feel it would help answer a question. Just like others
do. But what I think to be a valid comment - may well be considered
useless by someone else since they have no idea of my credibility - and
neither do you.

You may not like some responses and think they are useless but you have
no idea of what experience the person responding really has. So you
take a comment at face value from Usenet, toss in some common sense and
add it to part of your research as possibly being of some value and go
with it - or not. Your choice.

You may be the world's leading expert on P&S cameras but I don't know
that and from what I've read of your past P&S posts, you make some
valid points and some are really stretching it in my opinion.

All types of cameras serve a useful purpose - to someone. You happen to
like P&S, that's great - so do I, when it suits my needs which is only
about 1% of the time.

Bob S.

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:17:51 -0400, "BobS" wrote:


But since you brought it up, can you tell us what experience you have
with DSLRs such as make and model. That way, one could better judge how
up to date your views are and how broad your experience level is with
various makes.

I could, but that wouldn't matter. The problem is in their design. All of
them. Problems that do not exist on any P&S cameras.

Dependent on having to change lenses in situations where you must have a
wide-range of focal-lengths, causing missed shots, getting dust and
condensation on the sensor. Or even worse, when the camera is below
freezing temperatures and when temporarily going indoors will cause the
condensation to freeze the camera into a lump of uselessness.

No high-speed flash sync without having to resort to special flash units
that do not really compensate for the focal-plane shutters' slow speed of
travel, it only makes it possible to use flash with higher shutter speeds.
It's not a cure, only a patch on a situation caused worse by the patch.

Too shallow DOF for usable and useful available-light macro-photography.

Etc., etc., etc., etc....

The list of drawbacks caused by the DSLR design is long. Not worth posting
again here.

This thread was to try to find out why the DSLR-Trolls and others slam
equipment and things that they have zero first-hand knowledge about, and
then try to act like they are in any way, shape or form, some kind of
authority on the subject. They buy one DSLR camera, don't even learn how to
use it properly, and then think they have the expertise to comment on every
camera ever made. Even worse, are those role-playing trolls who only
download camera manuals, never having touched a real camera (i.e. "nospam",
"SMS", "Wolfgang", "George Kerby", "RichA", etc., etc.), and then try to
appear as if they know the least bit about photography at all.

If nothing else, at least making them aware that everyone who sees their
posts can easily discern that that's exactly what they are doing. They are
labeling their own selves as psychotic trolls just with their own posts.
Anyone who has used the cameras and equipment that they haven't used can
easily and clearly see that.

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:18:05 -0500, Curiouser and Curiouser wrote:

Problems that do not exist on any P&S cameras.

Want to know one problem that doesn't exist with DSLR's: *you*.
--
Mike Russell - http://www.curvemeister.com

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:27:13 -0500, Curiouser and Curiouser wrote:

I'd wonder how many of those DSLR psychotics would reply, never realizing

You got me good, I gotta admit.

With that. I'm out for now - back in a few months when hopefully you turn
your energies some other direction, and something resembling a discussion
is possible. I tried.
--
Mike Russell - http://www.curvemeister.com

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:38:09 -0700, Mike Russell
wrote:

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:18:05 -0500, Curiouser and Curiouser wrote:

Problems that do not exist on any P&S cameras.

Want to know one problem that doesn't exist with DSLR's: *you*.

Outing yourself as just another of the many psychotic DSLR-Trolls, are you?

Yep. Thought so.

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:43:21 -0700, Mike Russell
wrote:

something resembling a discussion

Translation: Any comments that blindly and foolishly agree with Mike
Russel's far lesser experience in the field of photography and related
equipment.

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:18:05 -0500, Curiouser and Curiouser
wrote:

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:17:51 -0400, "BobS" wrote:


But since you brought it up, can you tell us what experience you have
with DSLRs such as make and model. That way, one could better judge how
up to date your views are and how broad your experience level is with
various makes.

I could, but that wouldn't matter. The problem is in their design. All of
them. Problems that do not exist on any P&S cameras.

I didn't check the exif date on the entries, but were any of the
photos in the Shoot-In done with a P&S camera? Most of the people who
have the balls to put their stuff up for open review probably own both
a dslr and a P&S. I know I do.

It seems our P&S (excuse me, John, "compact zuperzooms") adherents are
shy about displaying their creations. Probably just a humanitarian
gesture on their part because they don't want to blow us away.

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida