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Now that "hybrid aspheres" are avail, where's the cheap "NoctNikkors?"
RichA wrote:
Could it BE that the PLASTIC part of the lens cannot be made accurately enough (certainly not as well as a glass part) and thus they can't produce a modern Noct? Kind of reminds me of the plastic used in camera bodies "engineering plastic," a new euphemism for the same old crap. I guess you never fly on MD-80's, 737-400's (and later), 747-400's (and later), 757's, 767's, Airbus 320, 330 and 340. As to the upcoming 787, it takes the cake in composites and plastics and the competing A-350 will go almost as far. The A-380 also depends highly on plastics and composites to keep its weight down. Darned engineers. Imagine if a car could be made of mainly composites at a reasonable price. (And price is the only barrier). It would be so much lighter that an engine half the size or less could be used for the same performance and safety. Then being so much lighter, the wheels could be lighter, the brakes lighter, transmission lighter and so on. That would save a hell of a lot of fuel and make a serial hybrid a very attractive machine. By the way Rich, enclosing the term _engineering plastic_ in quotes does not work to make something non-genuine. The brief descriptions of engineering plastic and commodity plastic on Wikipedia is useful for your guidance. -- -- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. |
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Now that "hybrid aspheres" are avail, where's the cheap "Noct Nikkors?"
Alan Browne wrote:
RichA wrote: Could it BE that the PLASTIC part of the lens cannot be made accurately enough (certainly not as well as a glass part) and thus they can't produce a modern Noct? Kind of reminds me of the plastic used in camera bodies "engineering plastic," a new euphemism for the same old crap. I guess you never fly on MD-80's, 737-400's (and later), 747-400's (and later), 757's, 767's, Airbus 320, 330 and 340. As to the upcoming 787, it takes the cake in composites and plastics and the competing A-350 will go almost as far. The A-380 also depends highly on plastics and composites to keep its weight down. Darned engineers. Imagine if a car could be made of mainly composites at a reasonable price. (And price is the only barrier). It would be so much lighter that an engine half the size or less could be used for the same performance and safety. Then being so much lighter, the wheels could be lighter, the brakes lighter, transmission lighter and so on. That would save a hell of a lot of fuel and make a serial hybrid a very attractive machine. By the way Rich, enclosing the term _engineering plastic_ in quotes does not work to make something non-genuine. The brief descriptions of engineering plastic and commodity plastic on Wikipedia is useful for your guidance. Speaking of plastics and lenses, what kind of plastic does Nikon use for their lens famil[y|ies] that do not have metal mounting flanges (or however the part that meshes with the mount on the body is labeled)? -- Blinky Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project -- http://improve-usenet.org Found 5/08: a free GG-blocking news *feed* -- http://usenet4all.se |
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Now that "hybrid aspheres" are avail, where's the cheap "NoctNikkors?"
David Ruether wrote:
I got over my distaste for plastic when I came to appreciate the toughness of the sheathing on the Nikon FG and FA bodies, although I still prefer the look and feel of AIS MF Nikkor lenses. For the Nikon FA - I guess you had a black one? If you had a silver one, then I'd be surprised to hear any comment about ruggedness - because they weren't. (IIRC the black was polycarbonate or similar - the silver one I had was some other type of plastic which did crack quite easily - as I found out). Like the MacBook, Nikon charged a premium for black. Unlike Apple, Nikon had a good reason. |
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Now that "hybrid aspheres" are avail, where's the cheap "NoctNikkors?"
RichA wrote:
On Jun 1, 1:36 pm, Alan Browne wrote: RichA wrote: Could it BE that the PLASTIC part of the lens cannot be made accurately enough (certainly not as well as a glass part) and thus they can't produce a modern Noct? Kind of reminds me of the plastic used in camera bodies "engineering plastic," a new euphemism for the same old crap. I guess you never fly on MD-80's, 737-400's (and later), 747-400's (and later), 757's, 767's, Airbus 320, 330 and 340. As to the upcoming 787, it takes the cake in composites and plastics and the competing A-350 will go almost as far. The A-380 also depends highly on plastics and composites to keep its weight down. Darned engineers. Yes, those DSLR do use multiple layers of kevlar and carbon fibre in their bodies, don't they? That's like saying mixing copper and tin give you gold instead of brass because they're all metals. Stop being so selective. Cockpit windows are made of plastic/glass layers, they don't break often despite temperature and pressure differentials. Fighter canopies are made of either acrylics or polycarbonates and goto Mach 2 and ever faster. Aircraft also use many non-composite plastics in many areas including valves, pump impeller casings, skin areas, spacers, piping and so on. Some missiles (supersonic) use non-composite plastic nose cones and fins. Those cameras that use polycarbonate are more than up to the task. My 7xi (bought in 1993, not much use these days) certainly carries the scars and patina of the long, ungentle use that it got. And yet is not broken (despite a few falls) and functions just fine. I've seen more "tragically" disabled metal cameras than plastic. Plastic bodied cameras are more than adequate for the needs of most casual, many amateur and some pro photogs. The proof is in the wide range of such cameras in long term use everywhere by such photogs. You just keep banging your drum, though. -- -- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. |
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Now that "hybrid aspheres" are avail, where's the cheap "NoctNikkors?"
RichA wrote:
Likely because pros don't just take their cameras for vacation shots. Selective snipping is your best strength I guess. |
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Now that "hybrid aspheres" are avail, where's the cheap "Noct Nikkors?"
"Alan Browne" wrote in message ... RichA wrote: Could it BE that the PLASTIC part of the lens cannot be made accurately enough (certainly not as well as a glass part) and thus they can't produce a modern Noct? Kind of reminds me of the plastic used in camera bodies "engineering plastic," a new euphemism for the same old crap. I guess you never fly on MD-80's, 737-400's (and later), 747-400's (and later), 757's, 767's, Airbus 320, 330 and 340. As to the upcoming 787, it takes the cake in composites and plastics and the competing A-350 will go almost as far. The A-380 also depends highly on plastics and composites to keep its weight down. Darned engineers. Police and Military body armour is Plastic (Kevlar) and for extra protection they add ceramic plates (not metal). I guess RichA's love doll is made out of tin... |
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Now that "hybrid aspheres" are avail, where's the cheap "NoctNikkors?"
Dev/Null wrote:
I guess RichA's love doll is made out of tin... poor doll. -- -- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. |
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