Has your memory card ever worn out?

One of the best sales tools is to clearly explain what
your product can and can't do, and how its features
work with the features of other products in your line.

Selling it to... whom, exactly?

Potential customers! You need to convince them, or they might not buy your
product.

you didn't look very hard. they explain their products in detail,
including comparing photoshop elements with the full photoshop.

Do I have to write a detailed essay to make the point clear? I'm not going
to.

On 2012-07-29 13:45 , David Ruether wrote:


"nospam" wrote in message news:
:
In article , David Ruether
wrote:

And, for those interested in
just a good photo editor (but without some of the specialty
functions of PhotoShop that most users don't need), there is
the free Gimp 2.

the gimp is roughly where photoshop was ten years ago.

photoshop elements is dirt cheap and does much more than what most
non-pros need.

Gimp *2* is a very good program (better than my earlier
Elements), and it is free (and the current Elements is
"infinitely" more expensive, and not all that cheap - and
it is also full of a lot of VERY amateur-level crap, which
I prefer not to have in a "serious" editor...;-).
--DR

The Gimp sucks.


--
"Civilization is the limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities."
-Samuel Clemens.

Time for you to be specific.
What is the problem you need solved, and
with which Adobe product?

Obviously, no one here has written user documentation or adverstising. I
have.

One of the ways you sell a product is by explaining why it exists. Adobe
doesn't understand that.

"Willie Dummerwit" wrote in message
...
Time for you to be specific.
What is the problem you need solved, and
with which Adobe product?

Obviously, no one here has written user documentation or adverstising. I
have.

"READ WHAT I WROTE" must have gone over really well. I'll bet
that several people here have written user documentation, and
probably with the goal that reader understand, rather than just
a failed attempt to bolster some fantasy that they're always right.

There are a lot of incredibly poorly written manuals. Now I know
one of the reasons.

I love the smell of kooks in the afternoon. The smell like ... kookery!

On 2012-07-29 10:54:21 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
said:

Time for you to be specific.
What is the problem you need solved, and
with which Adobe product?

Obviously, no one here has written user documentation or adverstising. I
have.

That's nice.


One of the ways you sell a product is by explaining why it exists. Adobe
doesn't understand that.

Sure they do.
They run a business and market their product appropriately to the
target demographic. Adobe seems to be doing just fine with both
targeting their demographic and sustaining sales to individuals who
actually use their software productively, either professionally, or by
the hobbyist.
What they have use for promotion material is quite extensive and in depth.

They actually don't do a bad job of explaining the features and
benefits of their products, which have a pretty obvious reason for
their existence.

Are you implying that MS should explain that Word exists so they can
profit from those who want software which allows them to enter text
into a document and edit it?
Photoshop exists as a product from which Adobe can profit. They do so
because there is a massive community of customers who understand, that
for them it is the appropriate product for their image editing needs
and creative work. They have managed to do that by reducing the amount
of explanitory promotional material they have to factor into costs.
There are few folks out there today who don't understand why Photoshop
exists, or its purpose.

I also suspect, that given your claim to have written documentation and
advertising, that you feel somewhat slighted because they can manage
without overspending on your particular speciality.

Now was there something you were trying to do in Photoshop which you
haven't been able to figure out?
Perhaps we here, or somebody over at alt.graphics.photoshop could help.




--
Regards,

Savageduck

In article , David Ruether
wrote:

And, for those interested in
just a good photo editor (but without some of the specialty
functions of PhotoShop that most users don't need), there is
the free Gimp 2.

the gimp is roughly where photoshop was ten years ago.

photoshop elements is dirt cheap and does much more than what most
non-pros need.

Gimp *2* is a very good program (better than my earlier
Elements),

nonsense. i just took a look at the release notes for gimp 2.8, the
most recent version (may, 2012).

they added layer groups as well as direct text editing, something
photoshop has had for *years* plus a lot of fluff, like changing the
font that's used on screen.

the gimp *still* does not have adjustment layers, making it very
limited for all but very casual work and its raw processing (via ufraw)
is awful compared to camera raw.

and it is free (and the current Elements is
"infinitely" more expensive, and not all that cheap

elements is free when it's bundled with hardware. i once had 3 or 4
copies of it.

also, $50 is cheap. people spend more than that on a graphics tablet,
which probably bundles elements.

- and
it is also full of a lot of VERY amateur-level crap, which
I prefer not to have in a "serious" editor...;-).

then don't use those features.

In article , William Sommerwerck
wrote:

Let's just say that the last time I looked at the Adobe site, it was a mess.
It doesn't explain //anything//.

let's just say you're full of ****.

adobe's web site has always explained their products.

since you're incapable of finding the information yourself, here's a
few links to start you off:

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/features.html

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-elements/features.html

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-lightroom/features.html
http://tv.adobe.com/show/whats-new-in-lightroom-4-beta/

http://tv.adobe.com/show/photoshop-cs6-featuretour/
http://tv.adobe.com/watch/adobe-evan...obe-photoshop-
cs6-my-top-6-favorite-features/
http://tv.adobe.com/watch/photoshop-...-whites-top-5-
photoshop-cs5-features/

that's extremely comprehensive, and it's not even a complete list.

In article , William Sommerwerck
wrote:

One of the ways you sell a product is by explaining why it exists. Adobe
doesn't understand that.

that must be why adobe products sell so poorly, because there's no
explanation about any of their products on their web site.

oh wait...

do you even think about the nonsense you spew?

In article , William Sommerwerck
wrote:

you didn't look very hard. they explain their products in detail,
including comparing photoshop elements with the full photoshop.

Do I have to write a detailed essay to make the point clear? I'm not going
to.

don't waste your time.

there's an overwhelming amount of information about adobe's products,
both on their site and other people's sites, if you were actually
interested in learning about them, that is.

you're obviously not interested in adobe anything, and like ssd, your
mind is already made up and nothing is going to change it.