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Old March 4th 06, 08:19 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Hi All

I was hoping that someone here could answer a few questions I have
regarding cameras in general and possibly point me in the direction of
a good camera.

Basically, I am looking for a 4/5MP camera with 2 - 3x optical zoom
that takes standard AA batteries and ideally SD cards. Budget is £100
or slightly more. I purchased a Benq DC520, however the image quality
is awful - a lot of noise and purple tinits when objects are against
the sky. (Any recommendations?)

I was also wondering if anyone knows if Kodak's cameras, for example
the CX7430 and C360, work with standard generic AA alkaline batteries
rather than the Kodak-branded rechargables. The reason I ask is that I
want to take a camera on holiday and don't want to worry about
recharging.

Thanks in advance

Adam

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Old March 4th 06, 08:24 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Just seen an article on Usenet that says a good set of Lithium
batteries will last a week without charge - is this true? It sounds too
good.

Thanks

Adam

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Old March 4th 06, 09:03 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Adam M wrote:
Just seen an article on Usenet that says a good set of Lithium
batteries will last a week without charge - is this true? It sounds too
good.


Depends whether or not you put them in anything. Leave'em on the shelf,
they should last at least a week, maybe more.


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Old March 4th 06, 09:08 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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I get a month or more off AA lithium using the camera every day for a
quick shot in a sony W5. New models are good on battery life.

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Old March 4th 06, 10:48 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Thanks very much for your help. I've currently got a Kodak DC215 (5
years and still good quality) so I would be fairly happy going with
another Kodak.

Do you think if I purchase a couple of sets of lithium batteries and
charge them up before I leave then they would last three weeks?

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Old March 5th 06, 02:21 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 4 Mar 2006 13:48:38 -0800, Adam M wrote:

Do you think if I purchase a couple of sets of lithium batteries and
charge them up before I leave then they would last three weeks?


It's hard to know what you mean. Nobody knows how long the
batteries will last if you're talking about the number of shots
you'd take over a three week period, not knowing the proportion
taken using flash, and how much "chimping" you do. But if you're
wondering if the lithium batteries would lose their a significant
amount of charge (through self discharge) as NiMH batteries can, the
answer is no. If you don't use them, lithium rechargeables can
retain most of their charge for months.

If you're talking about buying a couple of sets of lithium
rechargeable batteries for your 5 year old camera, that's probably a
waste of money. Put it towards a new camera that will take much
better pictures and might even allow a single set of batteries,
whether rechargeable or not, to last a month or two. And if it's
really, really cold where you're from (icecubeland?), consider a
camera that uses AA batteries, as lithium AAs can operate in much
colder weather than even rechargeable lithium batteries can.

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Old March 5th 06, 02:27 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Adam M wrote:
Hi All

I was hoping that someone here could answer a few questions I have
regarding cameras in general and possibly point me in the direction of
a good camera.

Basically, I am looking for a 4/5MP camera with 2 - 3x optical zoom
that takes standard AA batteries and ideally SD cards. Budget is £100
or slightly more. I purchased a Benq DC520, however the image quality
is awful - a lot of noise and purple tinits when objects are against
the sky. (Any recommendations?)

I was also wondering if anyone knows if Kodak's cameras, for example
the CX7430 and C360, work with standard generic AA alkaline batteries
rather than the Kodak-branded rechargables. The reason I ask is that I
want to take a camera on holiday and don't want to worry about
recharging.

Thanks in advance

Adam

Any Kodak camera that uses AA batteries will work with generic NIMH
batteries, but most manuals warn against using alkaline batteries in
their cameras. I have a DC6440 and it specifically prohibits use of
alkaline batteries. NIMH, LI (disposables), CRV3, and RCRV3 batteries,
as well as Kodak NIMH battery pack should work in these cameras.
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Old March 5th 06, 02:28 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Adam M wrote:
Just seen an article on Usenet that says a good set of Lithium
batteries will last a week without charge - is this true? It sounds too
good.

Thanks

Adam

Well, they might last 6 months. It depends on how much you USE them....
Grin.
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Old March 5th 06, 09:10 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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ASAAR wrote:
On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 19:27:21 -0600, Ron Hunter wrote:

I was also wondering if anyone knows if Kodak's cameras, for example
the CX7430 and C360, work with standard generic AA alkaline batteries
rather than the Kodak-branded rechargables. The reason I ask is that I
want to take a camera on holiday and don't want to worry about
recharging.

?
Any Kodak camera that uses AA batteries will work with generic NIMH
batteries, but most manuals warn against using alkaline batteries in
their cameras. I have a DC6440 and it specifically prohibits use of
alkaline batteries. NIMH, LI (disposables), CRV3, and RCRV3 batteries,
as well as Kodak NIMH battery pack should work in these cameras.


Most of the manuals that *you* have read may warn against using
alkaline batteries. But *all* of the manuals I've read indicate
that alkalines not only work in the cameras, but work very well. I
suspect there may even be a few Kodak cameras that perform well
using alkalines, especially some of the newer models. Canon and
Fuji have sold cameras for a couple of years that can get nearly a
thousand shots (or more) from a single set of alkaline batteries.
Are you saying that Kodak has none that can manage even one or two
hundred shots from a single set of alkaline batteries? Adam asked
if there is a Kodak camera that he could take on holiday that would
let him leave his charger at home, and your non-specific solution
is to warn against alkalines, but recommend alternatives including
several that would require bringing a charger on the holiday trip?
As Sulu would say, "Oh my." .


No, I am saying that none of the models for which I have read the manual
does Kodak recommend using alkaline batteries. In fact, they
specifically warn against using them. Since they design the cameras, I
suspect they have their reasons for this warning. I would never suggest
that a user put in batteries which the manual specifically warns him NOT
to use. There are several alternatives, including NIMH, Lithium
disposables, in two formats (AA and CRV3). Of course, I am sure Kodak
would prefer users buy their proprietary NIMH rechargeable packs, but
there are approved alternatives, just NOT alkalines. If I didn't want
to carry my charger (and I don't for short trips), then I would take a
couple of spare CRV3 batteries, and a charged set of NIMH.
If Kodak produces a camera that uses alkaline AA batteries with
permission of the manual, I am not aware of it.
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Old March 5th 06, 03:01 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 02:10:06 -0600, Ron Hunter the timid wrote:

Most of the manuals that *you* have read may warn against using
alkaline batteries. But *all* of the manuals I've read indicate
that alkalines not only work in the cameras, but work very well.


No, I am saying that none of the models for which I have read the manual
does Kodak recommend using alkaline batteries.


What are you disagreeing with? That I said "most" instead of
"all"? If so, blame yourself, since I used "most" in reply to your
statement that also used "most" instead of "all", as shown he

Any Kodak camera that uses AA batteries will work with generic NIMH
batteries, but most manuals warn against using alkaline batteries in
their cameras.


But the fact is that some of Kodak's cameras really are designed
to operate with alkaline AA batteries. You either haven't read the
right manuals or if you have read them, that might be why you said
"most manuals" instead of "all that I've seen".


No, I am saying that none of the models for which I have read the
manual does Kodak recommend using alkaline batteries. In fact, they
specifically warn against using them. Since they design the cameras, I
suspect they have their reasons for this warning. I would never suggest
that a user put in batteries which the manual specifically warns him NOT
to use. There are several alternatives, including NIMH, Lithium
disposables, in two formats (AA and CRV3). Of course, I am sure Kodak
would prefer users buy their proprietary NIMH rechargeable packs, but
there are approved alternatives, just NOT alkalines.


You're really overstating the case against using alkaline
batteries, making it sound as if there will be dire results if
alkaline batteries are used. In fact, from the Kodak manuals I've
seen, the ones that "warn" against using standard alkaline batteries
make it clear that it's only because they don't last as long as the
recommended batteries, not because they'll cause any kind of damage.
I've only checked the manuals for the C-line cameras, and I assume
that you haven't read the manuals for any of them, since they all
recommend one battery type which you failed to mention, namely, the
higher capacity ZR6 alkalines also known as Oxy-Alkaline batteries.
And as I've been saying for quite some time, as newer camera models
are introduced, they tend to be more efficient than the older
models. This is true also for Kodak cameras, since the older models
(such as the C300) recommend using at least the Oxy-Alkalines, while
newer models (such as the C503/533,C603/643 ) drop the bar to allow
standard alkalines to the recommended list. The only battery type
that these manuals don't recommend using are AA manganese cells.

Download one of these manuals and you might be pleasantly
surprised. While for the longest battery life you'd probably need
to get a Canon or Fuji camera, the latest Kodak cameras aren't too
far behind. And they're small and *very* light, only 150 gm.


If I didn't want to carry my charger (and I don't for short trips), then I
would take a couple of spare CRV3 batteries, and a charged set of NIMH.
If Kodak produces a camera that uses alkaline AA batteries with
permission of the manual, I am not aware of it.


Now you're aware of them. You've mentioned a number of times that
you don't have unlimited funds for photography, so there'd be no
need with one of these cameras to put money into relatively
expensive CRV3s or lithium AAs. Just continue using your NiMH AAs
and in a pinch, pop in 50 cents worth of alkalines. If you feel
like splurging, you could still bring along a CRV3. If you don't
want to download manuals, here's what is recommend for the cameras
mentioned above (excepting the C300):

2 Kodak oxy-alkaline digital camera batteries AA ZR6 (non-rechargeable);
2-AA lithium digital camera batteries; 2-AA alkaline batteries; 2 Kodak
Ni-MH rechargeable digital camera batteries AA; 1 Kodak lithium digital
camera battery CRV3 (non-rechargeable); 1 Kodak Ni-MH rechargeable
digital camera battery KAA2HR, 3V AC adapter


 




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