Will need new printer

When I first started out with digital photography about 15 years ago I
used a Canon printer and it worked fine.

Most of my professional photographer friends told me I should have
gotten and Epson so when the Canon eventually died I got an Epson and
liked it...but soon needed a larger one.

Have been using an Epson R1800 now for possibly ten years and have not
had a single problem. Wife just bought a ton of new ink and we are now
getting the message that the parts inside are at the end of their life.
Apparently the ink pads.


It still works somewaht but we are going to get a new printer when the
ink is used up.

Epson does have a an ink pad reset utility to get rid of the message but
when I tried to run it, it will not run because " the parts inside are
not at the end of their life."


Anyway...now some of the pros I know are switching to Canon.

What's the best printer to get today. We do not need anything larger
than 13" x 19"

On 2015-09-16 15:42:24 +0000, philo said:

When I first started out with digital photography about 15 years ago I
used a Canon printer and it worked fine.

Most of my professional photographer friends told me I should have
gotten and Epson so when the Canon eventually died I got an Epson and
liked it...but soon needed a larger one.

Have been using an Epson R1800 now for possibly ten years and have not
had a single problem. Wife just bought a ton of new ink and we are now
getting the message that the parts inside are at the end of their life.
Apparently the ink pads.


It still works somewaht but we are going to get a new printer when the
ink is used up.

Epson does have a an ink pad reset utility to get rid of the message
but when I tried to run it, it will not run because " the parts inside
are not at the end of their life."


Anyway...now some of the pros I know are switching to Canon.

What's the best printer to get today. We do not need anything larger
than 13" x 19"

I have been disappointed with the inconsistent results I got from my
Canon regardless of all attempts to match icc profiles, that pushed me
to Epson. Today for a wide format photo printer I suggest you look at
the new Epsons, the P600 and the P800.

The P600 will print up to 13"x19' and has roll capablility for $799.
The P800 handles 17" wide for an extra $495.
http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/jsp/ProductCategory.do?UseCookie=yes&oid=-19421




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Regards,

Savageduck

On 09/16/2015 11:01 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-09-16 15:42:24 +0000, philo said:

When I first started out with digital photography about 15 years ago I
used a Canon printer and it worked fine.

Most of my professional photographer friends told me I should have
gotten and Epson so when the Canon eventually died I got an Epson and
liked it...but soon needed a larger one.

Have been using an Epson R1800 now for possibly ten years and have not
had a single problem. Wife just bought a ton of new ink and we are now
getting the message that the parts inside are at the end of their life.
Apparently the ink pads.


It still works somewaht but we are going to get a new printer when the
ink is used up.

Epson does have a an ink pad reset utility to get rid of the message
but when I tried to run it, it will not run because " the parts inside
are not at the end of their life."


Anyway...now some of the pros I know are switching to Canon.

What's the best printer to get today. We do not need anything larger
than 13" x 19"

I have been disappointed with the inconsistent results I got from my
Canon regardless of all attempts to match icc profiles, that pushed me
to Epson. Today for a wide format photo printer I suggest you look at
the new Epsons, the P600 and the P800.

The P600 will print up to 13"x19' and has roll capablility for $799.
The P800 handles 17" wide for an extra $495.
http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/jsp/ProductCategory.do?UseCookie=yes&oid=-19421








Thanks for the advice. Now that you mention it, I recall my wife
downloading the ICC color profile from Epson. The first test print was
absolutely 100% perfect and we keep it in our living room to show people
what great results we got.

I have a friend who got a larger format printer (non Epson) and went
through a fortune in ink and paper before he finally got the results he
wanted.


Though the R2000 is the present replacement for our R1800 and we were
thinking of getting it...I will probably take your advice and get the
P600 ...it sure looks better to me plus Epson has a $200 rebate .

Also, good news: Epson will give us a refund on all the ink we just
bought...it will of course not work with any other printer.


Thanks again!

On 2015-09-16 18:32:34 +0000, philo said:

On 09/16/2015 11:01 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-09-16 15:42:24 +0000, philo said:

When I first started out with digital photography about 15 years ago I
used a Canon printer and it worked fine.

Most of my professional photographer friends told me I should have
gotten and Epson so when the Canon eventually died I got an Epson and
liked it...but soon needed a larger one.

Have been using an Epson R1800 now for possibly ten years and have not
had a single problem. Wife just bought a ton of new ink and we are now
getting the message that the parts inside are at the end of their life.
Apparently the ink pads.


It still works somewaht but we are going to get a new printer when the
ink is used up.

Epson does have a an ink pad reset utility to get rid of the message
but when I tried to run it, it will not run because " the parts inside
are not at the end of their life."


Anyway...now some of the pros I know are switching to Canon.

What's the best printer to get today. We do not need anything larger
than 13" x 19"

I have been disappointed with the inconsistent results I got from my
Canon regardless of all attempts to match icc profiles, that pushed me
to Epson. Today for a wide format photo printer I suggest you look at
the new Epsons, the P600 and the P800.

The P600 will print up to 13"x19' and has roll capablility for $799.
The P800 handles 17" wide for an extra $495.
http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/jsp/ProductCategory.do?UseCookie=yes&oid=-19421


Thanks

for the advice. Now that you mention it, I recall my wife downloading
the ICC color profile from Epson. The first test print was absolutely
100% perfect and we keep it in our living room to show people what
great results we got.

I have a friend who got a larger format printer (non Epson) and went
through a fortune in ink and paper before he finally got the results he
wanted.


Though the R2000 is the present replacement for our R1800 and we were
thinking of getting it...I will probably take your advice and get the
P600 ...it sure looks better to me plus Epson has a $200 rebate .

Also, good news: Epson will give us a refund on all the ink we just
bought...it will of course not work with any other printer.


Thanks again!

Also the R600 has much larger tanks.

I have an R2880 which has/does produced great prints. The thing to
remember is to always use matching printer/paper ICC profiles.
Currently I am hooked on Red River Papers and some Ilford papers (they
both provide icc profiles for their papers). Other than those I have an
inventory of various Epson papers.
http://www.redrivercatalog.com
http://www.ilford.com

Regardless, enjoy your new printer.




--
Regards,

Savageduck

In article , philo
wrote:


Thanks for the advice. Now that you mention it, I recall my wife
downloading the ICC color profile from Epson. The first test print was
absolutely 100% perfect and we keep it in our living room to show people
what great results we got.

a downloaded profile is only '100% perfect' for the printer/ink/paper
combo used to generate the profile, which is the one in epson's labs
and not the one you bought.

however it might be close enough.

for '100% perfect' you need to generate a custom profile for *your*
printer with the inks it currently has and the paper you're currently
using. different papers will need different profiles, as will inks but
inks are usually fairly consistent from batch to batch.

On 2015-09-16 18:43:25 +0000, nospam said:

In article , philo
wrote:


Thanks for the advice. Now that you mention it, I recall my wife
downloading the ICC color profile from Epson. The first test print was
absolutely 100% perfect and we keep it in our living room to show people
what great results we got.

a downloaded profile is only '100% perfect' for the printer/ink/paper
combo used to generate the profile, which is the one in epson's labs
and not the one you bought.

Philo has an Epson printer and I am making the assumption that since
his wife downloaded the profile from Epson, it was probably matched
with his printer & inks, and an Epson paper. So I would guess that it
was pretty close to the one he bought, considering the generic Epson
profiles are contained in the driver.

however it might be close enough.

You would think.

for '100% perfect' you need to generate a custom profile for *your*
printer with the inks it currently has and the paper you're currently
using. different papers will need different profiles, as will inks but
inks are usually fairly consistent from batch to batch.

That is why I have printer/paper specific ICC profiles for various
Epson papers, Red River Papers, and Ilford papers. I use Epson inks.
If I used a different printer, paper and different inks, well I guess I
would have to download specific matching profiles or generate fresh
ones.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

In article 2015091611570990974-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:

Thanks for the advice. Now that you mention it, I recall my wife
downloading the ICC color profile from Epson. The first test print was
absolutely 100% perfect and we keep it in our living room to show people
what great results we got.

a downloaded profile is only '100% perfect' for the printer/ink/paper
combo used to generate the profile, which is the one in epson's labs
and not the one you bought.

Philo has an Epson printer and I am making the assumption that since
his wife downloaded the profile from Epson, it was probably matched
with his printer & inks, and an Epson paper. So I would guess that it
was pretty close to the one he bought, considering the generic Epson
profiles are contained in the driver.

it's certainly very close, but it only matches the specific printer in
epson's labs, the ink batch they used at the time and the paper they
used.

however it might be close enough.

You would think.

the point is that it's not '100% perfect'.

for '100% perfect' you need to generate a custom profile for *your*
printer with the inks it currently has and the paper you're currently
using. different papers will need different profiles, as will inks but
inks are usually fairly consistent from batch to batch.

That is why I have printer/paper specific ICC profiles for various
Epson papers, Red River Papers, and Ilford papers. I use Epson inks.
If I used a different printer, paper and different inks, well I guess I
would have to download specific matching profiles or generate fresh
ones.

the only true way is to generate a profile yourself for *your*
printer/paper/ink combo (or have someone do it for you).

however, as i said, downloading a canned profile be close enough.

On 09/16/2015 01:43 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-09-16 18:32:34 +0000, philo said:

On 09/16/2015 11:01 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-09-16 15:42:24 +0000, philo said:

When I first started out with digital photography about 15 years ago I
used a Canon printer and it worked fine.

Most of my professional photographer friends told me I should have
gotten and Epson so when the Canon eventually died I got an Epson and
liked it...but soon needed a larger one.

Have been using an Epson R1800 now for possibly ten years and have not
had a single problem. Wife just bought a ton of new ink and we are now
getting the message that the parts inside are at the end of their life.
Apparently the ink pads.


It still works somewaht but we are going to get a new printer when the
ink is used up.

Epson does have a an ink pad reset utility to get rid of the message
but when I tried to run it, it will not run because " the parts inside
are not at the end of their life."


Anyway...now some of the pros I know are switching to Canon.

What's the best printer to get today. We do not need anything larger
than 13" x 19"

I have been disappointed with the inconsistent results I got from my
Canon regardless of all attempts to match icc profiles, that pushed me
to Epson. Today for a wide format photo printer I suggest you look at
the new Epsons, the P600 and the P800.

The P600 will print up to 13"x19' and has roll capablility for $799.
The P800 handles 17" wide for an extra $495.
http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/jsp/ProductCategory.do?UseCookie=yes&oid=-19421



Thanks

for the advice. Now that you mention it, I recall my wife downloading
the ICC color profile from Epson. The first test print was absolutely
100% perfect and we keep it in our living room to show people what
great results we got.

I have a friend who got a larger format printer (non Epson) and went
through a fortune in ink and paper before he finally got the results
he wanted.


Though the R2000 is the present replacement for our R1800 and we were
thinking of getting it...I will probably take your advice and get the
P600 ...it sure looks better to me plus Epson has a $200 rebate .

Also, good news: Epson will give us a refund on all the ink we just
bought...it will of course not work with any other printer.


Thanks again!

Also the R600 has much larger tanks.

I have an R2880 which has/does produced great prints. The thing to
remember is to always use matching printer/paper ICC profiles. Currently
I am hooked on Red River Papers and some Ilford papers (they both
provide icc profiles for their papers). Other than those I have an
inventory of various Epson papers.
http://www.redrivercatalog.com
http://www.ilford.com

Regardless, enjoy your new printer.







Yes, that's a very good point too. If we wait until tomorrow to order
it, it will be on my next credit card billing cycle.

whew


thanks again

On 09/16/2015 01:57 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-09-16 18:43:25 +0000, nospam said:

In article , philo
wrote:


Thanks for the advice. Now that you mention it, I recall my wife
downloading the ICC color profile from Epson. The first test print was
absolutely 100% perfect and we keep it in our living room to show people
what great results we got.

a downloaded profile is only '100% perfect' for the printer/ink/paper
combo used to generate the profile, which is the one in epson's labs
and not the one you bought.

Philo has an Epson printer and I am making the assumption that since his
wife downloaded the profile from Epson, it was probably matched with his
printer & inks, and an Epson paper. So I would guess that it was pretty
close to the one he bought, considering the generic Epson profiles are
contained in the driver.

however it might be close enough.

You would think.

for '100% perfect' you need to generate a custom profile for *your*
printer with the inks it currently has and the paper you're currently
using. different papers will need different profiles, as will inks but
inks are usually fairly consistent from batch to batch.

That is why I have printer/paper specific ICC profiles for various Epson
papers, Red River Papers, and Ilford papers. I use Epson inks.
If I used a different printer, paper and different inks, well I guess I
would have to download specific matching profiles or generate fresh ones.





Yep. Just like some musicians have perfect pitch...my wife is an artist
and has the equivalent to perfect color definition.

The definition of "perfect" being good enough that no human could tell
the difference.

We stick with Epson paper and ink as well...and have had incredibly good
results.

In article , philo
wrote:


The definition of "perfect" being good enough that no human could tell
the difference.

there are a lot of humans who can tell the difference between a canned
profile and a properly made profile for the printer/ink/paper combo you
are actually using.

however, the difference is usually minor and most people don't care.