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A question for Applefans
In article , Andreas Skitsnack wrote:
My iPhone and iPad are charged using a plug and cable combination. Each uses a different cable with a different-size fitting that plugs into the device. Both style cables use the same wall-plug device. What is the reason for the two different fittings? Both are obtaining and converting power from the same wall plug. It seems to me that Apple is just doing the printer ink scam and adding an extra product to sell when replacements are needed. Apple introduced the Dock connector in 2003 and replaced it with the Lightning connector in 2012. There has been exactly one change in the entire history of proprietary connectors for handheld units for Apple. Some people have products from before and after this switch, and thus need two different connectors. Luckily, there is a small adapter available which you can use on your Dock connector (the large flat one= to make it charge a Lightning connector device, so no need for more cables or chargers. Only to someone wanting to start an argument or someone very ignorant, is this a "scam". So why the change? Well, the Lightning connector is smaller which means it was important so that devices could be thinner and smaller as well. It's also a lot more intelligent and more versatile as connectors goes. Also, it's one of the very first data connectors you can insert either way up, which is also a nice bonus. Contrast this to any other mobile phone maker out there, that has changed connector a multitude of times over their entire product range over the years and we have yet another case of a person complaining about something Apple does that in the end, Apple has done a lot better than any of the alternative vendors. -- Sandman |
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A question for Applefans
On 10/09/2015 11:16, Sandman wrote:
[] Contrast this to any other mobile phone maker out there, that has changed connector a multitude of times over their entire product range over the years and we have yet another case of a person complaining about something Apple does that in the end, Apple has done a lot better than any of the alternative vendors. Within Europe, the micro USB is the standard connector for mobile phones, the Kindle, and many tablets too. Means you only need one charger and one lead type. One of the better decisions our politicians made. The only non-compliant company is .... Apple. -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu |
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A question for Applefans
In article , David Taylor
wrote: Within Europe, the micro USB is the standard connector for mobile phones, the Kindle, and many tablets too. Means you only need one charger and one lead type. One of the better decisions our politicians made. The only non-compliant company is .... Apple. apple is fully compliant with european laws. |
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A question for Applefans
In article , Tony Cooper
wrote: So why the change? Well, the Lightning connector is smaller which means it was important so that devices could be thinner and smaller as well. It's also a lot more intelligent and more versatile as connectors goes. Also, it's one of the very first data connectors you can insert either way up, which is also a nice bonus. Contrast this to any other mobile phone maker out there, that has changed connector a multitude of times over their entire product range over the years and we have yet another case of a person complaining about something Apple does that in the end, Apple has done a lot better than any of the alternative vendors. Not at all a comparable argument. Apple has two products - iPhone and iPad - that take similar charging systems. My iPhone and iPad do not use the same cord, but do use the same device that plugs into the wall. only because you bought them around the time apple changed connectors, and also because you did no research on the product you were buying. |
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A question for Applefans
In article , Tony Cooper
wrote: Not at all a comparable argument. Apple has two products - iPhone and iPad - that take similar charging systems. My iPhone and iPad do not use the same cord, but do use the same device that plugs into the wall. only because you bought them around the time apple changed connectors, and also because you did no research on the product you were buying. What? What kind of nonsense is this? The two cords have different ends, but not at all because I did no research. That had nothing to do with it. The cords would have had different ends no matter what amount of research I did. had you done any research at all, you'd have known that apple had recently switched connectors and that you were buying 'last year's model'. as i recall, you bought the 4s not when it just came out and there was no other choice, but *after* the 5 came out, and if i'm not mistaken, the 5s as well. What would have made the difference is when I purchased the two items. The only way to avoid the difference would have been to delay the purchase of one until the cord-ends were the same. Research had nothing to do with it. All research would have done is reveal that the ends were different, not changed things. wrong. as i said, the 5 and likely 5s were available at that time you bought your 4s, which means there was no need to delay anything. you would also have had a much better device that would last a lot longer. You do come up with the most ridiculous reasoning ever seen. that applies to you. you're trying to justify making a poor and uninformed choice, even going so far as to call it a scam to sell more cables. |
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A question for Applefans
On 2015-09-10 06:44, David Taylor wrote:
Within Europe, the micro USB is the standard connector for mobile phones, the Kindle, and many tablets too. Means you only need one charger and one lead type. One of the better decisions our politicians made. The only non-compliant company is .... Apple. So Europeans are stuck with the limitations of micro-USB? Brilliant. But wrong. The truth is that Apple breaks no European laws, yet sells millions of iPhones, iPads and iPods in Europe with their lightning connector and few in Europe bitch about it because they want the Apple products more than they want last decade's connector. |
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A question for Applefans
In article , Alan Browne
wrote: Within Europe, the micro USB is the standard connector for mobile phones, the Kindle, and many tablets too. Means you only need one charger and one lead type. One of the better decisions our politicians made. The only non-compliant company is .... Apple. So Europeans are stuck with the limitations of micro-USB? Brilliant. But wrong. The truth is that Apple breaks no European laws, yet sells millions of iPhones, iPads and iPods in Europe with their lightning connector and few in Europe bitch about it because they want the Apple products more than they want last decade's connector. micro usb is not particularly wonderful, but the real mess is micro usb3. who the hell thought that was a good design?? it's one of the the worst connectors ever foisted upon the masses, it's that bad. |
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A question for Applefans
On 11/09/2015 18:54, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2015-09-10 06:44, David Taylor wrote: Within Europe, the micro USB is the standard connector for mobile phones, the Kindle, and many tablets too. Means you only need one charger and one lead type. One of the better decisions our politicians made. The only non-compliant company is .... Apple. So Europeans are stuck with the limitations of micro-USB? Brilliant. But wrong. The truth is that Apple breaks no European laws, yet sells millions of iPhones, iPads and iPods in Europe with their lightning connector and few in Europe bitch about it because they want the Apple products more than they want last decade's connector. Seems better to me that I don't need to buy a new charger with each new phone, and I can take fewer chargers with me on a trip. The majority, at least, can benefit. Yes, there are some advantages to the Apple connector, but doubtless that will change once again, as will USB too! -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu |
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A question for Applefans
In article , David Taylor
wrote: Within Europe, the micro USB is the standard connector for mobile phones, the Kindle, and many tablets too. Means you only need one charger and one lead type. One of the better decisions our politicians made. The only non-compliant company is .... Apple. So Europeans are stuck with the limitations of micro-USB? Brilliant. But wrong. The truth is that Apple breaks no European laws, yet sells millions of iPhones, iPads and iPods in Europe with their lightning connector and few in Europe bitch about it because they want the Apple products more than they want last decade's connector. Seems better to me that I don't need to buy a new charger with each new phone, and I can take fewer chargers with me on a trip. The majority, at least, can benefit. except that you need *several* cables (not chargers - those are the same). other phones used the following: various proprietary power connectors, a supposedly standard thin barrel connector, mini usb, micro usb, micro usb 3 and now usb-c. that's at least *six* connectors in less than ten years. Yes, there are some advantages to the Apple connector, the biggest advantage of lightning is that it can adapt to future changes because each of its pins can be dynamically reconfigured. but doubtless that will change once again, not anytime soon it won't. the dock connector lasted ten years. lightning should last a similar amount of time. as will USB too! it already has - usb-c. |
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A question for Applefans
On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 13:54:14 -0400, Alan Browne
wrote: On 2015-09-10 06:44, David Taylor wrote: Within Europe, the micro USB is the standard connector for mobile phones, the Kindle, and many tablets too. Means you only need one charger and one lead type. One of the better decisions our politicians made. The only non-compliant company is .... Apple. So Europeans are stuck with the limitations of micro-USB? Brilliant. But wrong. The truth is that Apple breaks no European laws, yet sells millions of iPhones, iPads and iPods in Europe with their lightning connector and few in Europe bitch about it because they want the Apple products more than they want last decade's connector. I suspect that one reason may be that Apple devices do not actually have a USB connection. The handling of USB is dealt with by the Lightning plug which is on the end of the cable. What is on the end of the Apple device is not a USB connection but a Lightning connection. This is not a quibble over different connectors as there are electronic components inside the lightning plug which convert the signal from USB specs to Lightning specs. The same situation applies to the old dock-connector. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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