A question for Applefans

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

I suspect that one reason may be that Apple devices do not actually
have a USB connection.

yes they do.

The handling of USB is dealt with by the
Lightning plug which is on the end of the cable. What is on the end of
the Apple device is not a USB connection but a Lightning connection.
This is not a quibble over different connectors as there are
electronic components inside the lightning plug which convert the
signal from USB specs to Lightning specs. The same situation applies
to the old dock-connector.

nope.

the usb controller is in the phone.

the components in the lightning cable are for authentication and so
that it can configure the port to function as a usb port. it does not
translate anything.

On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 00:37:00 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

I suspect that one reason may be that Apple devices do not actually
have a USB connection.

yes they do.

The handling of USB is dealt with by the
Lightning plug which is on the end of the cable. What is on the end of
the Apple device is not a USB connection but a Lightning connection.
This is not a quibble over different connectors as there are
electronic components inside the lightning plug which convert the
signal from USB specs to Lightning specs. The same situation applies
to the old dock-connector.

nope.

the usb controller is in the phone.

the components in the lightning cable are for authentication and so
that it can configure the port to function as a usb port. it does not
translate anything.

True, but it's not a USB port that is presented in the phone. It's a
device capable of connecting to a Lightning plug. The lightning plug
is on the end of a USB cable and converts the incoming USB data to a
form where it can be handled via the Lightning plug and Lightning
socket. Once it gets through the Lighning socket it is finally decoded
by the phone firmware.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

The handling of USB is dealt with by the
Lightning plug which is on the end of the cable. What is on the end of
the Apple device is not a USB connection but a Lightning connection.
This is not a quibble over different connectors as there are
electronic components inside the lightning plug which convert the
signal from USB specs to Lightning specs. The same situation applies
to the old dock-connector.

nope.

the usb controller is in the phone.

the components in the lightning cable are for authentication and so
that it can configure the port to function as a usb port. it does not
translate anything.

True, but it's not a USB port that is presented in the phone. It's a
device capable of connecting to a Lightning plug. The lightning plug
is on the end of a USB cable and converts the incoming USB data to a
form where it can be handled via the Lightning plug and Lightning
socket. Once it gets through the Lighning socket it is finally decoded
by the phone firmware.

the cable does not convert anything.

the lightning port configures itself to be a usb port and functions as
one with the usb controller in the phone.

On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 02:19:59 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

The handling of USB is dealt with by the
Lightning plug which is on the end of the cable. What is on the end of
the Apple device is not a USB connection but a Lightning connection.
This is not a quibble over different connectors as there are
electronic components inside the lightning plug which convert the
signal from USB specs to Lightning specs. The same situation applies
to the old dock-connector.

nope.

the usb controller is in the phone.

the components in the lightning cable are for authentication and so
that it can configure the port to function as a usb port. it does not
translate anything.

True, but it's not a USB port that is presented in the phone. It's a
device capable of connecting to a Lightning plug. The lightning plug
is on the end of a USB cable and converts the incoming USB data to a
form where it can be handled via the Lightning plug and Lightning
socket. Once it gets through the Lighning socket it is finally decoded
by the phone firmware.

the cable does not convert anything.

the lightning port configures itself to be a usb port and functions as
one with the usb controller in the phone.

I didn't previously want to go into too much detail but see:
http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/157...patent-filings
or http://tinyurl.com/o2yfzlw
Notice item 410 'Accessory Hardware' in the final diagram. My
understanding that's used to match the incoming data to the
requirements of the Lightning socket.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , David Taylor wrote:

Sandman:
Contrast this to any other mobile phone maker out there, that has
changed connector a multitude of times over their entire product
range over the years and we have yet another case of a person
complaining about something Apple does that in the end, Apple has
done a lot better than any of the alternative vendors.

Within Europe, the micro USB is the standard connector for mobile
phones, the Kindle, and many tablets too. Means you only need one
charger and one lead type. One of the better decisions our
politicians made.

Indeed, an initiative that was carried out in 2009, prior to which phones had a
multitude of connectors. Compliance is voluntary (as of now).

The only non-compliant company is .... Apple.

They do offer an adapter in Europe, and according to the EPS commission they are
in compliance with the standard:

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/...erence=E-2013-
001164&language=EN

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Sandman

In article , nospam wrote:

In article , David Taylor

David Taylor:
Within Europe, the micro USB is the standard connector for mobile
phones, the Kindle, and many tablets too. Means you only need one
charger and one lead type. One of the better decisions our
politicians made.

The only non-compliant company is .... Apple.

apple is fully compliant with european laws.

This isn't a law, however. Compliance is voluntary. Having said that, the ESP
commission regard Apple as compliant in this instance.

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Sandman

In article , Andreas Skitsnack wrote:

Sandman:
So why the change? Well, the Lightning connector is smaller which
means it was important so that devices could be thinner and
smaller as well. It's also a lot more intelligent and more
versatile as connectors goes. Also, it's one of the very first
data connectors you can insert either way up, which is also a nice
bonus.

Contrast this to any other mobile phone maker out there, that has
changed connector a multitude of times over their entire product
range over the years and we have yet another case of a person
complaining about something Apple does that in the end, Apple has
done a lot better than any of the alternative vendors.

Not at all a comparable argument. Apple has two products - iPhone
and iPad - that take similar charging systems.

The 30 pin dock connector was launched with the iPod, and carried over to the
iPhone and later the iPad. The Lighting connector replaced it due to technology
advancements, and is now used for the iPhone, iPad, iPod touch and iPod Nano

My iPhone and iPad do not use the same cord, but do use the same
device that plugs into the wall.

They don't use the same connector, no, since you bought one before the switch and
the other after the switch.

I was unaware that Apple had changed the plugs so both are the same
on newer versions. I don't keep up on changes like this. There is
no reason that I would know that Apple made a change on later models
when I'm not dorky clerk that sells cords.

No need - all you had to know was that when you bought your iPad you used your
eyes and noticed that the connector for your iPhone and the connector for your
iPad was physically different. You're making it seem like you had them for years
and it was just sheer luck that led you to always connect the lightning conector
to the iPad.

Phones from other manufactuers are not a comparable situation
because their cords connect to only one device.

No they don't. Why are you making claims about how other vendors use their
connectors when you don't even know what connectors Apple use? Stop making
explicit statements you know nothing about. You can't play the ignorant victim of
Apples connector upgrade and yet claim to know what connectors all other phones
and tablets have used from other vendors.

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Sandman

In article , Andreas Skitsnack wrote:

Sandman:
So why the change? Well, the Lightning connector is smaller
which means it was important so that devices could be thinner
and smaller as well. It's also a lot more intelligent and
more versatile as connectors goes. Also, it's one of the very
first data connectors you can insert either way up, which is
also a nice bonus.

Contrast this to any other mobile phone maker out there, that
has changed connector a multitude of times over their entire
product range over the years and we have yet another case of
a person complaining about something Apple does that in the
end, Apple has done a lot better than any of the alternative
vendors.

Andreas Skitsnack:
Not at all a comparable argument. Apple has two products -
iPhone and iPad - that take similar charging systems. My iPhone
and iPad do not use the same cord, but do use the same device
that plugs into the wall.

nospam:
only because you bought them around the time apple changed
connectors, and also because you did no research on the product
you were buying.

What? What kind of nonsense is this? The two cords have different
ends, but not at all because I did no research. That had nothing to
do with it. The cords would have had different ends no matter what
amount of research I did.

No they wouldn't. If you had done your research and found out that Apple had
switched the connector, you could have opted to buy an earlier model of the iPad
that had a compatible connector.


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Sandman

In article ,
Sandman wrote:

My iPhone and iPad do not use the same cord, but do use the same
device that plugs into the wall.

They don't use the same connector, no, since you bought one before the switch
and the other after the switch.

actually, he bought the 4s after the 5s came out, for 99 cents.

On 9/15/2015 6:28 AM, nospam wrote:
In article ,
Sandman wrote:

My iPhone and iPad do not use the same cord, but do use the same
device that plugs into the wall.

They don't use the same connector, no, since you bought one before the switch
and the other after the switch.

actually, he bought the 4s after the 5s came out, for 99 cents.


When did the 5s sell for 99 cents?

For that matter, I doubt if the 4S did, either.

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PeterN