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Old September 8th 15, 04:23 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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My iPhone and iPad are charged using a plug and cable combination.
Each uses a different cable with a different-size fitting that plugs
into the device. Both style cables use the same wall-plug device.

What is the reason for the two different fittings? Both are obtaining
and converting power from the same wall plug.


one is nearly 15 years old, the other just 3 years old.

the 30 pin dock connector debuted in 2003 with the 3rd gen ipod and
existed for ten years.

in 2012, apple switched to the much smaller and much more advanced
lightning connector, which has numerous advantages over the previous
dock connector.

It seems to me that Apple is just doing the printer ink scam and
adding an extra product to sell when replacements are needed.


nope.

lightning is a more advanced and forward thinking connector, where the
function of the individual pins can be dynamically reconfigured as
needed. it's also reversible.

keep in mind that non-apple devices have had more connector types in
the same time period and with yet another one now (usb-c) appearing.
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Old September 8th 15, 04:45 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

My iPhone and iPad are charged using a plug and cable combination.
Each uses a different cable with a different-size fitting that plugs
into the device. Both style cables use the same wall-plug device.

What is the reason for the two different fittings? Both are obtaining
and converting power from the same wall plug.


one is nearly 15 years old, the other just 3 years old.


Neither of my devices is anywhere near 15 years old.


learn to read. i said the dock connector is nearly 15 years old. i
didn't say anything about your specific devices.

the 30 pin dock connector debuted in 2003 with the 3rd gen ipod and
existed for ten years.

in 2012, apple switched to the much smaller and much more advanced
lightning connector, which has numerous advantages over the previous
dock connector.


So why didn't they incorporate the lightning connector to the iPhone5?


they did. look again.

What are these "numerous advantages"?


i mentioned some of them: reversibility, smaller and dynamically
configurable pins, which means it can be reconfigured for future
protocols. it's also more rugged and less prone to breaking than the
dock connector.

it's called progress, something you do not like.

I don't remember which I acquired first, but I think I had the iPad
before I bought my present iPhone. Certainly, not long apart.


then it likely predated the changeover. that's all.

It seems to me that Apple is just doing the printer ink scam and
adding an extra product to sell when replacements are needed.


nope.


Sure seems like it because they didn't incorporate the lightning
connector in the iPhone5.


yes they did.

lightning is a more advanced and forward thinking connector, where the
function of the individual pins can be dynamically reconfigured as
needed. it's also reversible.

keep in mind that non-apple devices have had more connector types in
the same time period and with yet another one now (usb-c) appearing.


What does that have to do with anything? Apple is not required to use
scam techniques to increase sales just because other companies do.


it's not a scam technique.

technology moves forward and things change.

apple has had only two connectors in 15 years while other companies
have had many different ones, including at least 4 variants of usb plus
assorted proprietary connectors.
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Old September 8th 15, 04:52 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2015-09-08 15:32:18 +0000, Tony Cooper said:

On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 11:23:51 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

My iPhone and iPad are charged using a plug and cable combination.
Each uses a different cable with a different-size fitting that plugs
into the device. Both style cables use the same wall-plug device.

What is the reason for the two different fittings? Both are obtaining
and converting power from the same wall plug.


one is nearly 15 years old, the other just 3 years old.


Neither of my devices is anywhere near 15 years old.


What exactly are your iDevices?


the 30 pin dock connector debuted in 2003 with the 3rd gen ipod and
existed for ten years.

in 2012, apple switched to the much smaller and much more advanced
lightning connector, which has numerous advantages over the previous
dock connector.


So why didn't they incorporate the lightning connector to the iPhone5?


That is where the change over took place. The iPhone 5S uses the
Lightning connector, the iP5 uses the old 30-pin.

What are these "numerous advantages"?


The most obvious is that the 30-pin has to be correctly oriented, while
the Lightning connector is not aloghnment critical.

I don't remember which I acquired first, but I think I had the iPad
before I bought my present iPhone. Certainly, not long apart.


I have a 64 GB iPad2 which uses a 30-pin connector, and an iPhone 5S
which uses a Lightning connector. I also have old iPod Classic which
lives in my car, and an old iPod Touch which I have mislaided
somewhere, both of those have 30-pin connectors.


It seems to me that Apple is just doing the printer ink scam and
adding an extra product to sell when replacements are needed.


nope.


Sure seems like it because they didn't incorporate the lightning
connector in the iPhone5.


However, the iPhone 5S got the Lightning connector as part of the "S" upgrade.

lightning is a more advanced and forward thinking connector, where the
function of the individual pins can be dynamically reconfigured as
needed. it's also reversible.

keep in mind that non-apple devices have had more connector types in
the same time period and with yet another one now (usb-c) appearing.


What does that have to do with anything? Apple is not required to use
scam techniques to increase sales just because other companies do.


It is not a scam. The Lightning connector is an improvement over the
30-pin. It is that old thing, progress in action.


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Old September 8th 15, 04:56 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article 2015090808520548269-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck wrote:

the 30 pin dock connector debuted in 2003 with the 3rd gen ipod and
existed for ten years.

in 2012, apple switched to the much smaller and much more advanced
lightning connector, which has numerous advantages over the previous
dock connector.


So why didn't they incorporate the lightning connector to the iPhone5?


That is where the change over took place. The iPhone 5S uses the
Lightning connector, the iP5 uses the old 30-pin.


nope.

the 4s and earlier use the 30 pin dock connector while the iphone 5 and
later use lightning.

What are these "numerous advantages"?


The most obvious is that the 30-pin has to be correctly oriented, while
the Lightning connector is not aloghnment critical.


the most obvious one is the difference in size.

only when you attempt to plug it in does reversibility become apparent.


What does that have to do with anything? Apple is not required to use
scam techniques to increase sales just because other companies do.


It is not a scam. The Lightning connector is an improvement over the
30-pin. It is that old thing, progress in action.


yep.
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Old September 8th 15, 05:02 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2015-09-08 15:59:14 +0000, Tony Cooper said:

On Tue, 8 Sep 2015 08:52:05 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:
On 2015-09-08 15:32:18 +0000, Tony Cooper said:
On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 11:23:51 -0400, nospam
wrote:
In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

My iPhone and iPad are charged using a plug and cable combination.
Each uses a different cable with a different-size fitting that plugs
into the device. Both style cables use the same wall-plug device.

What is the reason for the two different fittings? Both are obtaining
and converting power from the same wall plug.

one is nearly 15 years old, the other just 3 years old.

Neither of my devices is anywhere near 15 years old.


What exactly are your iDevices?


iPad and iPhone.


The question was, "What exactly are your iDevices?"
By that I thought you would actually tell us what model of iPhone and
iPad you have.

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Old September 8th 15, 05:16 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Tony Cooper
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What exactly are your iDevices?


iPad and iPhone.


no kidding. he means which specific models.

you mentioned an iphone 5 so presumably that's the one you have
although i seem to recall you had a 4s. as for the ipad, i don't know
which one you have.

not that it matters much. the answer is very simple -
the older device has a dock connector and the the newer one has a
lightning connector.

had you bought both devices at the same time, they'd have had the same
connector.
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Old September 8th 15, 06:17 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2015-09-08 16:49:43 +0000, Tony Cooper said:

On Tue, 8 Sep 2015 09:02:51 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:
On 2015-09-08 15:59:14 +0000, Tony Cooper said:
On Tue, 8 Sep 2015 08:52:05 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:
On 2015-09-08 15:32:18 +0000, Tony Cooper said:
On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 11:23:51 -0400, nospam
wrote:
In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

My iPhone and iPad are charged using a plug and cable combination.
Each uses a different cable with a different-size fitting that plugs
into the device. Both style cables use the same wall-plug device.

What is the reason for the two different fittings? Both are obtaining
and converting power from the same wall plug.

one is nearly 15 years old, the other just 3 years old.

Neither of my devices is anywhere near 15 years old.

What exactly are your iDevices?

iPad and iPhone.


The question was, "What exactly are your iDevices?"
By that I thought you would actually tell us what model of iPhone and
iPad you have.


I thought that was what you meant, but I honestly don't know. I went
to the AT&T store and bought an iPhone. I think it's an iPhone5, but
it may be a 5S. It didn't matter to me at the time. I wanted a phone
and bought what they had available.


Tony, I am disappointed. Here I was believing that you were a better
informed consumer. Just as there are differences and improvements in
cameras, there are differences and improvements in iPhones. I have a
feeling that you might have had an iP4 or iP4S dumped on you.

The iPad is an iPad Mini, but I have no idea if there are model
numbers for iPads. Again, I went to the Apple store in the mall and
bought what was available at the time.


I am baffled by your purchasing methodology. At a minimum I might have
thought you would have done some online research.

All I know for sure is that I had to purchase two cords at $19.95 each


Why? Both the iPhone and the iPad Mini come with a cord and matching connector.

and it seemed to me that one should have been all that was necessary.


If they were different models of different vintage you would have a
cord with the appropriate connector for each.

I accidently left the cords and one plug in a motel room. I had a
second plug, so all I needed was the cords.


So that was why. Your carelessness.

I didn't bother calling the motel to see if they found, and would send
me, the cords. I suspect that most motels have crates of chargers and
cords left behind by guests.


Probably.


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Old September 8th 15, 06:28 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

What exactly are your iDevices?

iPad and iPhone.


The question was, "What exactly are your iDevices?"
By that I thought you would actually tell us what model of iPhone and
iPad you have.


I thought that was what you meant, but I honestly don't know. I went
to the AT&T store and bought an iPhone. I think it's an iPhone5, but
it may be a 5S. It didn't matter to me at the time. I wanted a phone
and bought what they had available.


both the 5 and 5s have lightning.

which device of yours has the dock connector?

if it's the phone, then it's *not* an iphone 5. it's a 4s or earlier.

if it's the ipad that has the dock connector, then it's a 3rd gen or
earlier.

The iPad is an iPad Mini, but I have no idea if there are model
numbers for iPads. Again, I went to the Apple store in the mall and
bought what was available at the time.


apple tried to do away with model specific names for the ipad starting
with the 3rd gen, which they called 'the new ipad', which followed the
ipad 2.

that turned out to be incredibly confusing and nobody called it that.
everyone called it the 3rd gen or ipad 3. they later renamed the model
to the ipad air and the current model is the ipad air 2.

All I know for sure is that I had to purchase two cords at $19.95 each
and it seemed to me that one should have been all that was necessary.
I accidently left the cords and one plug in a motel room. I had a
second plug, so all I needed was the cords.


only one cord is necessary, assuming the connector is the same.

you also overpaid. third party mfi cables are $10-15, occasionally less
if you catch a sale.

non-mfi cables are a few bucks, which usually work for charging but
highly unlikely they'll work for syncing. they're cheap crap and tend
to fail fairly quickly but at a few bucks, who cares. consider them
disposable.

there are also adapters so that you can use one cord for both devices.

I didn't bother calling the motel to see if they found, and would send
me, the cords. I suspect that most motels have crates of chargers and
cords left behind by guests.


probably, along with all sorts of other stuff left behind.
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Old September 8th 15, 06:28 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Tony Cooper
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What exactly are your iDevices?

iPad and iPhone.


no kidding. he means which specific models.

you mentioned an iphone 5 so presumably that's the one you have
although i seem to recall you had a 4s. as for the ipad, i don't know
which one you have.


Now that you mention it, I may have a 4 or 4S. I really don't know. I
thought it was a 5, though.


the main difference is that the 4/4s has a dock connector and is a
little shorter than the 5/5s, which has a lightning connector.

the 4/4s has the headphone jack on the top opposite the sleep/wake
button, with a 3.5" display showing 4 rows of 4 icons and has a glass
back.

the 5/5s has the headphone jack on the bottom, next to the lightning
connector, with a slightly taller 4" display that shows an additional
row of icons (5 rows) and has a metal back. it's also thinner.
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Old September 8th 15, 10:56 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 9/8/15 PDT 5:02 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-09-08 15:59:14 +0000, Tony Cooper said:


What exactly are your iDevices?


iPad and iPhone.


The question was, "What exactly are your iDevices?"
By that I thought you would actually tell us what model of iPhone and
iPad you have.

It keeps the discussion going longer when tony plays
coy/dumb/obstinate/playful.

Nice troll, tony.
 




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