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"Marvin Margoshes" wrote in message ... TSA's Web site has a list of items you can't carry on. Some people doing the checking seem to make up their own rules. Feel free to complain. The list contains disclaimers which allow local examiners to make up their own rules. If, in the sole opinion of the checker, you are carrying something that could be used as a weapon, then they can confiscate it, fine you, or even have you arrested. If you complain, that is a bad attitude, which automatically doubles your fine and tacks time on your sentence. Read the guidelines for civil actions. It actually says that. |
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message ... "Dave Fouchey" wrote in message ... I drive, saves an awful lot of trouble and I get to carry anything I want... Bah! Clogging up the roads with yet another automobile, endangering everybody around you while you in turn are at the mercy of every drunk driver and vehicle operator who just had a fight with his wife, dodging 18 wheelers on icy roads -- next thing you know you've run into a school bus full of children, one of whom would have grown up to discover a cure for cancer, but now he's dead and IT IS ALL YOUR FAULT! Beast. :-) (I dunno, was that over the top, or what?) Seriously, I find flying to be very convenient, fast and comfortable. If I want to visit the grandchildren I can be there in 3 1/2 hours, instead of 11 hours of driving over two major mountain passes in winter. And I get some great photos out of the trip, too. Sigh Even so I still have trouble finding time to get away. Your attitude is exactly right, except you need to tighten up the foil just a bit. You are getting a bit of leakage. |
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C J Campbell wrote: "drwxr-xr-x" wrote in message ... The Dept Of Homeland Hysteria has been a god-send for the airport thieves. Now they have multi-million dollar machines with which to pin-point luggage that contains gold jewelry, expensive cameras, und so weiter. No more randomly breaking into bags, in the hope of hitting the jackpot. These thieves are only required to go through security and metal detectors _on the way in to work_ , not on the way out -- with their pockets jingling with stolen articles. So sayeth the voice of several wretched experiences... You would be shocked at how many people at TSA have criminal records. Not to mention the airport ground crews, few of which have had complete background checks, and many of whom have easy access to the passenger compartments of airplanes. We're not supposed to think about this, just like the movies suspension of disbelief is essential to enjoying (or not) the show. Lisa |
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C J Campbell wrote: "drwxr-xr-x" wrote in message ... The Dept Of Homeland Hysteria has been a god-send for the airport thieves. Now they have multi-million dollar machines with which to pin-point luggage that contains gold jewelry, expensive cameras, und so weiter. No more randomly breaking into bags, in the hope of hitting the jackpot. These thieves are only required to go through security and metal detectors _on the way in to work_ , not on the way out -- with their pockets jingling with stolen articles. So sayeth the voice of several wretched experiences... You would be shocked at how many people at TSA have criminal records. Not to mention the airport ground crews, few of which have had complete background checks, and many of whom have easy access to the passenger compartments of airplanes. We're not supposed to think about this, just like the movies suspension of disbelief is essential to enjoying (or not) the show. Lisa |
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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:54:40 -0800, "C J Campbell"
wrote: "Dave Fouchey" wrote in message .. . I drive, saves an awful lot of trouble and I get to carry anything I want... Bah! Clogging up the roads with yet another automobile, endangering everybody around you while you in turn are at the mercy of every drunk driver and vehicle operator who just had a fight with his wife, dodging 18 wheelers on icy roads -- next thing you know you've run into a school bus full of children, one of whom would have grown up to discover a cure for cancer, but now he's dead and IT IS ALL YOUR FAULT! Beast. :-) (I dunno, was that over the top, or what?) Mebbe, but this is America. A clever lawyer will see your logic coming a mile away and will point out that the TSA drove him get on the highway. So it really is the TSAs fault. Seriously, I find flying to be very convenient, fast and comfortable. If I want to visit the grandchildren I can be there in 3 1/2 hours, instead of 11 hours of driving over two major mountain passes in winter. And I get some great photos out of the trip, too. Sigh Even so I still have trouble finding time to get away. Yeah, flying is fast and convenient. And for some, their livihood depends on it. But those silly & inconsistent rules, the humiliating body searches, theft from luggage by the people "protecting" us and the Gestapo like attitude from the TSA encourage people to drive and seek other ways to get from here to there. And even more damaging, undermining confidence in our government. This is one way for the terrorists to win. They won't have to take us over. We will turn ourselves into them. The Afgan Taliban is/was Muslim, the American Taliban will be Christian. |
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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:54:40 -0800, "C J Campbell"
wrote: "Dave Fouchey" wrote in message .. . I drive, saves an awful lot of trouble and I get to carry anything I want... Bah! Clogging up the roads with yet another automobile, endangering everybody around you while you in turn are at the mercy of every drunk driver and vehicle operator who just had a fight with his wife, dodging 18 wheelers on icy roads -- next thing you know you've run into a school bus full of children, one of whom would have grown up to discover a cure for cancer, but now he's dead and IT IS ALL YOUR FAULT! Beast. :-) (I dunno, was that over the top, or what?) Mebbe, but this is America. A clever lawyer will see your logic coming a mile away and will point out that the TSA drove him get on the highway. So it really is the TSAs fault. Seriously, I find flying to be very convenient, fast and comfortable. If I want to visit the grandchildren I can be there in 3 1/2 hours, instead of 11 hours of driving over two major mountain passes in winter. And I get some great photos out of the trip, too. Sigh Even so I still have trouble finding time to get away. Yeah, flying is fast and convenient. And for some, their livihood depends on it. But those silly & inconsistent rules, the humiliating body searches, theft from luggage by the people "protecting" us and the Gestapo like attitude from the TSA encourage people to drive and seek other ways to get from here to there. And even more damaging, undermining confidence in our government. This is one way for the terrorists to win. They won't have to take us over. We will turn ourselves into them. The Afgan Taliban is/was Muslim, the American Taliban will be Christian. |
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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:56:33 -0800, "C J Campbell"
wrote: "drwxr-xr-x" wrote in message ... The Dept Of Homeland Hysteria has been a god-send for the airport thieves. Now they have multi-million dollar machines with which to pin-point luggage that contains gold jewelry, expensive cameras, und so weiter. No more randomly breaking into bags, in the hope of hitting the jackpot. These thieves are only required to go through security and metal detectors _on the way in to work_ , not on the way out -- with their pockets jingling with stolen articles. So sayeth the voice of several wretched experiences... You would be shocked at how many people at TSA have criminal records. Not really. But I would be amused to read any reports or anecdotes about it. |
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Lisa Horton wrote:
You would be shocked at how many people at TSA have criminal records. Not to mention the airport ground crews, few of which have had complete background checks, and many of whom have easy access to the passenger compartments of airplanes. We're not supposed to think about this, just like the movies suspension of disbelief is essential to enjoying (or not) the show. I'm not shocked at all with the number of people that have a "record" in some form or another. It's what is inside the record that should be taken into consideration when hiring these people. I don't believe a record should be instant disqualification for these positions. Probably three quarters of society have one and you wouldn't even know it. Maybe your next-door neighbor or your best friend has one? This surely doesn't mean that they aren't great upstanding members of society and aren't trustworthy. Just because someone made a mistake, paid their dues, and doing their best to be a good contributing member of society doesn't give people cart blanc to look down their noses at them. Personally, I find it easier and more satisfying to deal with people that are honest with themselves and have no need to put on a false facade. Scott Peterson didn't have a record and look what he turned out to be. I wouldn't want the likes of him rummaging thru my luggage. Rita -- http://www.geocities.com/ritaberk2003/ |
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"Rita Ä Berkowitz" wrote: Lisa Horton wrote: You would be shocked at how many people at TSA have criminal records. Not to mention the airport ground crews, few of which have had complete background checks, and many of whom have easy access to the passenger compartments of airplanes. We're not supposed to think about this, just like the movies suspension of disbelief is essential to enjoying (or not) the show. I'm not shocked at all with the number of people that have a "record" in some form or another. It's what is inside the record that should be taken into consideration when hiring these people. I don't believe a record should be instant disqualification for these positions. Probably three quarters of society have one and you wouldn't even know it. Maybe your next-door neighbor or your best friend has one? This surely doesn't mean that they aren't great upstanding members of society and aren't trustworthy. Just because someone made a mistake, paid their dues, and doing their best to be a good contributing member of society doesn't give people cart blanc to look down their noses at them. Personally, I find it easier and more satisfying to deal with people that are honest with themselves and have no need to put on a false facade. Scott Peterson didn't have a record and look what he turned out to be. I wouldn't want the likes of him rummaging thru my luggage. Note that I wasn't the author of the "You would be shocked..." line above, only the lines following that one. You make a good point though. It depends on what's in the record. A person busted for pot in their youth is quite a different story than someone with multiple theft convictions. Alas, both are allowed to work in airport ground crews at this time. Lisa |
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"Rita Ä Berkowitz" wrote: Lisa Horton wrote: You would be shocked at how many people at TSA have criminal records. Not to mention the airport ground crews, few of which have had complete background checks, and many of whom have easy access to the passenger compartments of airplanes. We're not supposed to think about this, just like the movies suspension of disbelief is essential to enjoying (or not) the show. I'm not shocked at all with the number of people that have a "record" in some form or another. It's what is inside the record that should be taken into consideration when hiring these people. I don't believe a record should be instant disqualification for these positions. Probably three quarters of society have one and you wouldn't even know it. Maybe your next-door neighbor or your best friend has one? This surely doesn't mean that they aren't great upstanding members of society and aren't trustworthy. Just because someone made a mistake, paid their dues, and doing their best to be a good contributing member of society doesn't give people cart blanc to look down their noses at them. Personally, I find it easier and more satisfying to deal with people that are honest with themselves and have no need to put on a false facade. Scott Peterson didn't have a record and look what he turned out to be. I wouldn't want the likes of him rummaging thru my luggage. Note that I wasn't the author of the "You would be shocked..." line above, only the lines following that one. You make a good point though. It depends on what's in the record. A person busted for pot in their youth is quite a different story than someone with multiple theft convictions. Alas, both are allowed to work in airport ground crews at this time. Lisa |
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