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Schneider Kreuznach lenses also labeled "Sinar"
Hi,
I have come across quite a few Schneider lenses which were also labeled "Linhof" (and supposingly the better pick). Recently I bought a 120mm Angulon which is also labeled "Sinar" in green. And just today I saw a 210 Symmar also labeled "Sinar". Does anybody know why this is done, and if this also means (just like the Linhof label) that these lenses gone through an extra quality control? Thanks, Best, Cor |
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Schneider Kreuznach lenses also labeled "Sinar"
Recently I bought a 120mm Angulon which is also labeled "Sinar" in green.
And just today I saw a 210 Symmar also labeled "Sinar". Does anybody know why this is done, and if this also means (just like the Linhof label) that these lenses gone through an extra quality control? There's always been a lot of speculation about this and I don't know if the question has ever been answered. I don't doubt Sinar, Linhof, and perhaps others, do their own testing but I can't believe they'd go beyond putting the lens on a collimator, for instance, just to make sure it's not a dud. Do you think Schneider, etc., would be so lax in their quality control as to slip Sinar an inferior lens? Bob G |
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Schneider Kreuznach lenses also labeled "Sinar"
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Bob Salomon wrote: [...] As one who has watched Linhof's testing they do more then use a collimeter. Every lens was brought into a test room with a very large, Rodenstock made Siemens Star projector and tested every lens individually on this system as well as visual inspections in another area and shutter tests in another section. Couldn't snip a thing. Thanks for that, Bob. It makes the difference. |
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Schneider Kreuznach lenses also labeled "Sinar"
Gentle reader,
there is just another thing to add - the labeling of a lens is very often done after making small adjustments for a specific camera system, especially adding (or removing) some distance rings to an optical mount. Sinar has a very special diaphragm for their behind-the-lens-shutter. Linhof casually delivers lenses with coupling distance meter cam rods. Often these lenses are remounted with ordinary shutters and are possibly misaligned. If the lenses are not mounted in a original adapter plate of the specific manufacturer, be careful and ask the previous owner jjs wrote: In article , Bob Salomon wrote: [...] As one who has watched Linhof's testing they do more then use a collimeter. Every lens was brought into a test room with a very large, Rodenstock made Siemens Star projector and tested every lens individually on this system as well as visual inspections in another area and shutter tests in another section. Couldn't snip a thing. Thanks for that, Bob. It makes the difference. |
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Schneider Kreuznach lenses also labeled "Sinar"
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"christoph-erdmann.pfeiler" wrote: Linhof casually delivers lenses with coupling distance meter cam rods. Often these lenses are remounted with ordinary shutters and are possibly misaligned. You are using very convuluted wording. Linhof supplies lenses with a lensboard and a coupling package for the Technika camera. Linhof supplies lens boards for both Technika and Kardan camera with 0, 1 or 3 size holes. Linhof supplies lenses without the coupling package for use on any camera. If you have a Technika it is important that the cam you are using is the cam made for the lens you are using on a V or Master (the serial number of the lens is also on the cam). If you have a IV or III the serial number of the camera and the lens must be on the cam. As for shutters Linhof uses "ordinary shutters" from Copal currently and previously from Prontor Werke (Compur and Prontor). If you are referring to the sale of used Linhof cams that people use without the matching lens then that is not something Linhof "casually" does. That is something the user does. -- To reply no_ HPMarketing Corp. |
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Schneider Kreuznach lenses also labeled "Sinar"
Dear Mr. Salomon,
gentle reader Bob Salomon wrote: In article , "christoph-erdmann.pfeiler" wrote: Linhof casually delivers lenses with coupling distance meter cam rods. Often these lenses are remounted with ordinary shutters and are possibly misaligned. You are using very convuluted wording. not really. To be short, 'casually' means ecactly what is meant - they deliver cams only, if the user requests it. To be precise, my verbalization was mistakable (my fault was the omission of a paragraph brake.): the person who does the 'remounting'. That is the user, Linhof does definitely not do such ignorance. Linhof supplies lenses with a lensboard and a coupling package for the Technika camera. Linhof supplies lens boards for both Technika and Kardan camera with 0, 1 or 3 size holes. Linhof supplies lenses without the coupling package for use on any camera. They strongly discourage that. They prefer mounting it completely at the factory themselves. If you have a Technika it is important that the cam you are using is the cam made for the lens you are using on a V or Master (the serial number of the lens is also on the cam). If you have a IV or III the serial number of the camera and the lens must be on the cam. As for shutters Linhof uses "ordinary shutters" from Copal currently and previously from Prontor Werke (Compur and Prontor). If you are referring to the sale of used Linhof cams that people use without the matching lens then that is not something Linhof "casually" does. That is something the user does. I'm not only referring to the combination of not matching cams and lenses. I'm referring to remounting the optical parts of a lens onto a different shutter or diaphragm body. Evem remounting can introduce some error in the proper alignment - if the torque is different! That's the reason for the emphasis done by Linhof and Sinar on discouraging of remounting lenses - they sell 'remounting sets', but they obviously do not advertise them nor encourage the uses to do so. They do this not really for plundering, they have quite strong reasons for this practice: In the production process of leaf shutters it is very difficult to preserve the exact distance between their mounts through the whole production lot - by construction the mounts are fixed onto quite a chain of parts, so the irregularities in the production process sum up. The ordinary model for error propagation is the root of the sum of the squares of the specific errors - maybe quite a lot. Linhof and Sinar do not only some refitting of the different mounts of lenses and shutters, they compare a more or less big number of lenses and shutters and mount the best matching specimens Yours sincerly cep |
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Schneider Kreuznach lenses also labeled "Sinar"
Bob Salomon wrote:
"christoph-erdmann.pfeiler" wrote: Linhof casually delivers lenses with coupling distance meter cam rods. You are using very convoluted wording. It's in "Germlish", Bob. Though, for clarity it should have been worded: Linhof casually lenses with coupling distance meter cam rods delivers. There, that's better. My German is reprehensible. To be understood I find it is best to speak in sentences of three words or less - I have the vocabulary of a three year old (except for words like "Bier", "Sekt", "Kir", "Klarer" ...) so I had better have a sentence structure to match. As for translations via Babblefish & Co., it takes a lot of work to translate the translation, though it certainly does give one a leg up. Mark Twain, in the plainest of English, states: "An average sentence, in a German newspaper, is a sublime and impressive curiosity; it occupies a quarter of a column; it contains all the ten parts of speech -- not in regular order, but mixed; it is built mainly of compound words constructed by the writer on the spot, and not to be found in any dictionary -- six or seven words compacted into one, without joint or seam -- that is, without hyphens; it treats of fourteen or fifteen different subjects, each inclosed in a parenthesis of its own, with here and there extra parentheses which reinclose three or four of the minor parentheses, making pens within pens: finally, all the parentheses and reparentheses are massed together between a couple of king-parentheses, one of which is placed in the first line of the majestic sentence and the other in the middle of the last line of it -- after which comes the VERB, and you find out for the first time what the man has been talking about; and after the verb -- merely by way of ornament, as far as I can make out -- the writer shovels in "haben sind gewesen gehabt haben geworden sein," or words to that effect, and the monument is finished. http://www.crossmyt.com/hc/linghebr/awfgrmlg.html -- Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics. |
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Schneider Kreuznach lenses also labeled "Sinar"
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"christoph-erdmann.pfeiler" wrote: not really. To be short, 'casually' means ecactly what is meant - they deliver cams only, if the user requests it. No. What Linhof delivers is a cam cut for the specific lens, a focus scale and a pair of infinity stops. We do also if you have our service center cam your lens. Of course Linhof charges for the coupling package. They don't just include the cam, scale and stops. And you have to order the lensboard to mount the lens on so it can be coupled. Not quite casual. -- To reply no_ HPMarketing Corp. |
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