One upmanship and Canon's claim

"Someone" posted that Canon said the new 1DMkIII has the finest images
of an DSLR, even better than their current FF models. I do not know
if this is true. But if it is, does it matter much? By Sept or so, a
new 5D (7D) will be out and it will likely be the number one imager at
that time. Then a new 1Ds will come out, and so on. Is there a point
in stating something is "the best" only to have it usurped of it's
title 4-6 months later? Why not just say that anything beyond 1.5 is
going to produce exceptional images and it is the other features of
the camera that should determine which one you buy, at least until
something really exceptional comes along?

RichA wrote:
"Someone" posted that Canon said the new 1DMkIII has the finest images
of an DSLR, even better than their current FF models. I do not know
if this is true. But if it is, does it matter much? By Sept or so, a
new 5D (7D) will be out and it will likely be the number one imager at
that time. Then a new 1Ds will come out, and so on. Is there a point
in stating something is "the best" only to have it usurped of it's
title 4-6 months later? Why not just say that anything beyond 1.5 is
going to produce exceptional images and it is the other features of
the camera that should determine which one you buy, at least until
something really exceptional comes along?

For that matter, Rich...why keep posting this stuff...given that in 4-6
months time, you'll just keep posting more...and more...and more of the
same? How about you just take a 4-6 month break, and we'll see you on the
other side!

BTW... Just for the heck of it, I'll answer you question:

The term, "State of the Art" exists for a reason. It is applied to whatever
device, system or product, in a given field, represents the best that is
currently available. This becomes the new measuring stick to which
subsequent products will be compared as the "state" moves forward. It is a
very useful term/concept, and is used quite appropriately in the
ever-changing field of digital photography.

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On Jun 27, 6:01 pm, "Mark²" mjmorgan(lowest even number
wrote:
RichA wrote:
"Someone" posted that Canon said the new 1DMkIII has the finest images
of an DSLR, even better than their current FF models. I do not know
if this is true. But if it is, does it matter much? By Sept or so, a
new 5D (7D) will be out and it will likely be the number one imager at
that time. Then a new 1Ds will come out, and so on. Is there a point
in stating something is "the best" only to have it usurped of it's
title 4-6 months later? Why not just say that anything beyond 1.5 is
going to produce exceptional images and it is the other features of
the camera that should determine which one you buy, at least until
something really exceptional comes along?

For that matter, Rich...why keep posting this stuff...given that in 4-6
months time, you'll just keep posting more...and more...and more of the
same? How about you just take a 4-6 month break, and we'll see you on the
other side!

If some rumours about Canon are true, in six months there won't be any
question about whether incremental improvements in cameras are worth
taking note of because they'll be releasing something that won't be
considered just a minor improvement on what is out there.


BTW... Just for the heck of it, I'll answer you question:

The term, "State of the Art" exists for a reason. It is applied to whatever
device, system or product, in a given field, represents the best that is
currently available. This becomes the new measuring stick to which
subsequent products will be compared as the "state" moves forward. It is a
very useful term/concept, and is used quite appropriately in the
ever-changing field of digital photography.

Fair enough then. Is the new measuring stick the 1DMkIII, at least in-
terms of overall image quality?

RichA wrote:
On Jun 27, 6:01 pm, "Mark²" mjmorgan(lowest even number
wrote:
RichA wrote:
"Someone" posted that Canon said the new 1DMkIII has the finest
images of an DSLR, even better than their current FF models. I do
not know if this is true. But if it is, does it matter much? By
Sept or so, a new 5D (7D) will be out and it will likely be the
number one imager at that time. Then a new 1Ds will come out, and
so on. Is there a point in stating something is "the best" only to
have it usurped of it's title 4-6 months later? Why not just say
that anything beyond 1.5 is going to produce exceptional images and
it is the other features of the camera that should determine which
one you buy, at least until something really exceptional comes
along?

For that matter, Rich...why keep posting this stuff...given that in
4-6 months time, you'll just keep posting more...and more...and more
of the same? How about you just take a 4-6 month break, and we'll
see you on the other side!

If some rumours about Canon are true, in six months there won't be any
question about whether incremental improvements in cameras are worth
taking note of because they'll be releasing something that won't be
considered just a minor improvement on what is out there.


BTW... Just for the heck of it, I'll answer you question:

The term, "State of the Art" exists for a reason. It is applied to
whatever device, system or product, in a given field, represents the
best that is currently available. This becomes the new measuring
stick to which subsequent products will be compared as the "state"
moves forward. It is a very useful term/concept, and is used quite
appropriately in the ever-changing field of digital photography.

Fair enough then. Is the new measuring stick the 1DMkIII, at least
in- terms of overall image quality?

I'd say yes to that. If the 5D successor has the same sensor technology,
it's going to blow people away...as will the 1Ds Mark III...but I think the
5D replacement will continue to sit at the sweet spot for over-all IQ.

As for my 1D3...I'm pretty disgusted with the AF issues mine (and nearly
everyone else's) has... Canon is "working on it" but it will surely be too
late for my trip to Africa and other locations, which starts in 1 1/2
weeks... Had a known in advance, I would have waited... Bummer.

The image quality is fantastic...but if focus is flaky, it defeats the
purpose of this action-specialist camera body. I'm sure they'll sort it
out, but it sucks for me.

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"Mark²" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in message
...
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As for my 1D3...I'm pretty disgusted with the AF issues mine (and nearly
everyone else's) has... Canon is "working on it" but it will surely be
too late for my trip to Africa and other locations, which starts in 1 1/2
weeks... Had a known in advance, I would have waited... Bummer.

The image quality is fantastic...but if focus is flaky, it defeats the
purpose of this action-specialist camera body. I'm sure they'll sort it
out, but it sucks for me.

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www.pbase.com/markuson



Can you see the focus anomaly in the viewfinder as you take the shots or is
it a lens-to-sensor issue? I'm sure with your experience you will find a way
to get some spectacular shots, regardless of the focus issue.

Plenty of action shots have been taken with 4x5 field cameras with no auto
focus in the past. Maybe by combining some of the old timer's tricks, you
can still use the camera?

I used to use mine to capture action by predicting where a horse would be
when I wanted the shot and focus on that spot. I'd then track the horse or
herd with the "sports" finder (a wire frame approximating the field of
view).

When the horse or horses reached the point I had pre-focused, I'd take the
shot. I've done this with birds and fast moving animals as well as race
cars. Maybe not what you bought the camera to do but none the less it might
get you some pics you'd other wise not get until it's repaired.

Good luck with it anyway.

JJ



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On Jun 28, 1:22 am, "Mark²" mjmorgan(lowest even number
wrote:
RichA wrote:
On Jun 27, 6:01 pm, "Mark²" mjmorgan(lowest even number
wrote:
RichA wrote:
"Someone" posted that Canon said the new 1DMkIII has the finest
images of an DSLR, even better than their current FF models. I do
not know if this is true. But if it is, does it matter much? By
Sept or so, a new 5D (7D) will be out and it will likely be the
number one imager at that time. Then a new 1Ds will come out, and
so on. Is there a point in stating something is "the best" only to
have it usurped of it's title 4-6 months later? Why not just say
that anything beyond 1.5 is going to produce exceptional images and
it is the other features of the camera that should determine which
one you buy, at least until something really exceptional comes
along?

For that matter, Rich...why keep posting this stuff...given that in
4-6 months time, you'll just keep posting more...and more...and more
of the same? How about you just take a 4-6 month break, and we'll
see you on the other side!

If some rumours about Canon are true, in six months there won't be any
question about whether incremental improvements in cameras are worth
taking note of because they'll be releasing something that won't be
considered just a minor improvement on what is out there.

BTW... Just for the heck of it, I'll answer you question:

The term, "State of the Art" exists for a reason. It is applied to
whatever device, system or product, in a given field, represents the
best that is currently available. This becomes the new measuring
stick to which subsequent products will be compared as the "state"
moves forward. It is a very useful term/concept, and is used quite
appropriately in the ever-changing field of digital photography.

Fair enough then. Is the new measuring stick the 1DMkIII, at least
in- terms of overall image quality?

I'd say yes to that. If the 5D successor has the same sensor technology,
it's going to blow people away...as will the 1Ds Mark III...but I think the
5D replacement will continue to sit at the sweet spot for over-all IQ.

As for my 1D3...I'm pretty disgusted with the AF issues mine (and nearly
everyone else's) has... Canon is "working on it" but it will surely be too
late for my trip to Africa and other locations, which starts in 1 1/2
weeks... Had a known in advance, I would have waited... Bummer.

The image quality is fantastic...but if focus is flaky, it defeats the
purpose of this action-specialist camera body. I'm sure they'll sort it
out, but it sucks for me.

Well, maybe most of the shots will be of static subjects amenable to
manual focus? Lions lounging in the grass, etc?
But then you probably hope for some action anyway.

"Mark²" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in message
...
RichA wrote:
On Jun 27, 6:01 pm, "Mark²" mjmorgan(lowest even number
wrote:
RichA wrote:
"Someone" posted that Canon said the new 1DMkIII has the finest
images of an DSLR, even better than their current FF models. I do
not know if this is true. But if it is, does it matter much? By
Sept or so, a new 5D (7D) will be out and it will likely be the
number one imager at that time. Then a new 1Ds will come out, and
so on. Is there a point in stating something is "the best" only to
have it usurped of it's title 4-6 months later? Why not just say
that anything beyond 1.5 is going to produce exceptional images and
it is the other features of the camera that should determine which
one you buy, at least until something really exceptional comes
along?

For that matter, Rich...why keep posting this stuff...given that in
4-6 months time, you'll just keep posting more...and more...and more
of the same? How about you just take a 4-6 month break, and we'll
see you on the other side!

If some rumours about Canon are true, in six months there won't be any
question about whether incremental improvements in cameras are worth
taking note of because they'll be releasing something that won't be
considered just a minor improvement on what is out there.


BTW... Just for the heck of it, I'll answer you question:

The term, "State of the Art" exists for a reason. It is applied to
whatever device, system or product, in a given field, represents the
best that is currently available. This becomes the new measuring
stick to which subsequent products will be compared as the "state"
moves forward. It is a very useful term/concept, and is used quite
appropriately in the ever-changing field of digital photography.

Fair enough then. Is the new measuring stick the 1DMkIII, at least
in- terms of overall image quality?

I'd say yes to that. If the 5D successor has the same sensor technology,
it's going to blow people away...as will the 1Ds Mark III...but I think
the 5D replacement will continue to sit at the sweet spot for over-all IQ.

As for my 1D3...I'm pretty disgusted with the AF issues mine (and nearly
everyone else's) has... Canon is "working on it" but it will surely be
too late for my trip to Africa and other locations, which starts in 1 1/2
weeks... Had a known in advance, I would have waited... Bummer.

The image quality is fantastic...but if focus is flaky, it defeats the
purpose of this action-specialist camera body. I'm sure they'll sort it
out, but it sucks for me.

IMO, this is inexcusable in a camera of this standing. Hope you have your
problem resolved soon.

Peter A. Stavrakoglou wrote:
"Mark²" mjmorgan(lowest even number wrote in message
...
RichA wrote:
On Jun 27, 6:01 pm, "Mark²" mjmorgan(lowest even number
wrote:
RichA wrote:
"Someone" posted that Canon said the new 1DMkIII has the finest
images of an DSLR, even better than their current FF models. I
do not know if this is true. But if it is, does it matter much? By
Sept or so, a new 5D (7D) will be out and it will likely be the
number one imager at that time. Then a new 1Ds will come out, and
so on. Is there a point in stating something is "the best" only
to have it usurped of it's title 4-6 months later? Why not just
say that anything beyond 1.5 is going to produce exceptional
images and it is the other features of the camera that should
determine which one you buy, at least until something really
exceptional comes along?

For that matter, Rich...why keep posting this stuff...given that in
4-6 months time, you'll just keep posting more...and more...and
more of the same? How about you just take a 4-6 month break, and
we'll see you on the other side!

If some rumours about Canon are true, in six months there won't be
any question about whether incremental improvements in cameras are
worth taking note of because they'll be releasing something that
won't be considered just a minor improvement on what is out there.


BTW... Just for the heck of it, I'll answer you question:

The term, "State of the Art" exists for a reason. It is applied to
whatever device, system or product, in a given field, represents
the best that is currently available. This becomes the new
measuring stick to which subsequent products will be compared as
the "state" moves forward. It is a very useful term/concept, and
is used quite appropriately in the ever-changing field of digital
photography.

Fair enough then. Is the new measuring stick the 1DMkIII, at least
in- terms of overall image quality?

I'd say yes to that. If the 5D successor has the same sensor
technology, it's going to blow people away...as will the 1Ds Mark
III...but I think the 5D replacement will continue to sit at the
sweet spot for over-all IQ. As for my 1D3...I'm pretty disgusted with the
AF issues mine (and
nearly everyone else's) has... Canon is "working on it" but it will
surely be too late for my trip to Africa and other locations, which
starts in 1 1/2 weeks... Had a known in advance, I would have
waited... Bummer. The image quality is fantastic...but if focus is
flaky, it defeats
the purpose of this action-specialist camera body. I'm sure they'll
sort it out, but it sucks for me.

IMO, this is inexcusable in a camera of this standing.

We agree on that. I'm pretty disgusted, frankly. I'm a Canon guy, and like
their stuff...but they've really screwed up on this one. At this level,
they should either deliver the goods, or don't deliver at all. What's most
frustrating is that they knew in advance about it (this is known due to
their recognition of RG's review of a pre-production unit, and the later
confirmation that the production units suffer the EXACT same problem Canon
was notified about).

When/if there is a fix, I'll likely be somewhere in Africa where it's
impossible to benefit from it.
Bummer.

Hope you have
your problem resolved soon.

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"Rita Ä Berkowitz" ritaberk2O04 @aol.com wrote in message
...
RichA wrote:

"Someone" posted that Canon said the new 1DMkIII has the finest images
of an DSLR, even better than their current FF models. I do not know
if this is true. But if it is, does it matter much? By Sept or so, a
new 5D (7D) will be out and it will likely be the number one imager at
that time. Then a new 1Ds will come out, and so on. Is there a point
in stating something is "the best" only to have it usurped of it's
title 4-6 months later? Why not just say that anything beyond 1.5 is
going to produce exceptional images and it is the other features of
the camera that should determine which one you buy, at least until
something really exceptional comes along?

This is why religiously following "18-month" rule eliminates technical and
financial hardships. It's totally and utterly foolish to keep any dSLR
body
past its useful life expectancy of 18-months.


Very rich, very very rich in more ways than one.

Greg
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In article ,
"G.T." wrote:

This is why religiously following "18-month" rule eliminates technical and
financial hardships. It's totally and utterly foolish to keep any dSLR
body
past its useful life expectancy of 18-months.


Very rich, very very rich in more ways than one.

It may be that beyond 18 months, the older camera body has almost no
resale value. I was re-reading a photography magazine from 1999 when
2.1 MP was considered state of the art and the DSLR was a Nikon F5/Kodak
hybrid.

Last weekend, I saw a camera one or two developmental cycles earlier
(N90/Kodak DSLR) that was supposedly still operational in a camera
store's junk box for $5. It was just over one MP, and had gone for
silly amounts of money in the early 1990s.

Compare that to prices of early 1990s film cameras -- some are in the $5
junk box along with the old digital, some go for almost as much as they
did when they were released.