Why do some people join photo review clubs?

I've been playing around with several photo websites. three to be
exact. photographers workshop, photo workshop, shutterxtreme. (just
like the name) They all have good and bad attributes. Photo workshop
is mainly very professional photographers, and they will hammer crap
photos, and for the most part photographer take the hammering.
Photographers workshop is mainly amateurs that praise crap, and then
get mad if their crap isn't praised. Then there is shutterxtreme.
Fairly new site, but same as before people get testy when they receive
a review that they don't agree with. Only difference there is, the
photographer doesn't know who the reviewer was.

One thing that amazes me is how people will put their photos up to
receive reviews and then gripe about the reviews they get. I'm no
professional by any means, but I can sense crap. I don't ever post
crap, so why would anyone post crap and expect everyone to fall in love
with it? I feel that these site are for helping photographer become
better, not,"Hey look, my dog does crap"...lol

I would love to get this topic running. Maybe I'm wrong, but if there
is a prize for photography, which all these websites have, wouldn't you
take the advise given and do better?

"ShutterXtreme" wrote in message
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I've been playing around with several photo websites. three to be
exact. photographers workshop, photo workshop, shutterxtreme. (just
like the name) They all have good and bad attributes. Photo workshop
is mainly very professional photographers, and they will hammer crap
photos, and for the most part photographer take the hammering.
Photographers workshop is mainly amateurs that praise crap, and then
get mad if their crap isn't praised. Then there is shutterxtreme.
Fairly new site, but same as before people get testy when they receive
a review that they don't agree with. Only difference there is, the
photographer doesn't know who the reviewer was.

One thing that amazes me is how people will put their photos up to
receive reviews and then gripe about the reviews they get. I'm no
professional by any means, but I can sense crap. I don't ever post
crap, so why would anyone post crap and expect everyone to fall in love
with it? I feel that these site are for helping photographer become
better, not,"Hey look, my dog does crap"...lol

I would love to get this topic running. Maybe I'm wrong, but if there
is a prize for photography, which all these websites have, wouldn't you
take the advise given and do better?

Hey! I know crap when I see it!

"ShutterXtreme" wrote in message
oups.com...
I've been playing around with several photo websites. three to be
exact. photographers workshop, photo workshop, shutterxtreme. (just
like the name) They all have good and bad attributes. Photo workshop
is mainly very professional photographers, and they will hammer crap
photos, and for the most part photographer take the hammering.
Photographers workshop is mainly amateurs that praise crap, and then
get mad if their crap isn't praised. Then there is shutterxtreme.
Fairly new site, but same as before people get testy when they receive
a review that they don't agree with. Only difference there is, the
photographer doesn't know who the reviewer was.

One thing that amazes me is how people will put their photos up to
receive reviews and then gripe about the reviews they get. I'm no
professional by any means, but I can sense crap. I don't ever post
crap, so why would anyone post crap and expect everyone to fall in love
with it? I feel that these site are for helping photographer become
better, not,"Hey look, my dog does crap"...lol

I would love to get this topic running. Maybe I'm wrong, but if there
is a prize for photography, which all these websites have, wouldn't you
take the advise given and do better?


Dpreview forums are pretty good. I also like this one
http://www.nylen.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl seems to be only pros and good
advice.

I think some times people do not know crap from good and they get mad
at the truth. A old saying , if you start with crap and make it art its
still crap not art......


www.photochimper.com

ShutterXtreme wrote:
I've been playing around with several photo websites. three to be
exact. photographers workshop, photo workshop, shutterxtreme. (just
like the name) They all have good and bad attributes. Photo workshop
is mainly very professional photographers, and they will hammer crap
photos, and for the most part photographer take the hammering.
Photographers workshop is mainly amateurs that praise crap, and then
get mad if their crap isn't praised. Then there is shutterxtreme.
Fairly new site, but same as before people get testy when they receive
a review that they don't agree with. Only difference there is, the
photographer doesn't know who the reviewer was.

One thing that amazes me is how people will put their photos up to
receive reviews and then gripe about the reviews they get. I'm no
professional by any means, but I can sense crap.

Sometimes it's not as cut and dry as that.
People shoot for different reasons, and with diffrent visions of what
photography is about.
It is often illuminating to hear about the same shot from many perspectives.
This is especially true when it comes to paricularly unusual artisitic
styles of photography. People can look at the same shot and have equally
legitimate criticisms right along side with praise. There is no formula for
declaring crap...and I would caution you from making too broad a statement.
Obviously there are times where technique is SO poor that it's easy to
identify crummy results (like yellow skin in a shot that is supposed to be
flatteringly natural...), but often it's not so clear. This is where
opinions...good/bad/objective can be helpful and enjoyable to
debate/discuss.

I don't ever post
crap,

Are you sure?

Where are you pics?

so why would anyone post crap and expect everyone to fall in
love with it? I feel that these site are for helping photographer
become better, not,"Hey look, my dog does crap"...lol

I would love to get this topic running. Maybe I'm wrong, but if there
is a prize for photography, which all these websites have, wouldn't
you take the advise given and do better?

Hopefully that's everyone's intent.
Part of the problem is that many who comment don't do so with a constructive
intent. Many people simply enjoy deriding others, which isn't helpful.
Other times, people react negatively to a photographer who is too quick to
announce/imply his/her own greatness...which is a sure ticket to ridicule
and torment.

photochimperdude wrote:

I think some times people do not know crap from good and they get mad
at the truth. A old saying , if you start with crap and make it art its
still crap not art......

Yeah, the pope used to say that to Leonardo all the time.

:O)

--
Paul (We're too young to fall asleep)
-------------------------------------------------------
Stop and Look
http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/

"ShutterXtreme" wrote in message
oups.com...
I've been playing around with several photo websites. three to be
exact. photographers workshop, photo workshop, shutterxtreme. (just
like the name) They all have good and bad attributes. Photo workshop
is mainly very professional photographers, and they will hammer crap
photos, and for the most part photographer take the hammering.
Photographers workshop is mainly amateurs that praise crap, and then
get mad if their crap isn't praised. Then there is shutterxtreme.
Fairly new site, but same as before people get testy when they receive
a review that they don't agree with. Only difference there is, the
photographer doesn't know who the reviewer was.

One thing that amazes me is how people will put their photos up to
receive reviews and then gripe about the reviews they get. I'm no
professional by any means, but I can sense crap. I don't ever post
crap, so why would anyone post crap and expect everyone to fall in love
with it? I feel that these site are for helping photographer become
better, not,"Hey look, my dog does crap"...lol


But that old adage about "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder" holds true
for everything, including photography. I look at some of these shots that
are supposed to be 'artistic' and all I see is nice photos that have been
butchered. Some people love them, some hate them, but the person who
concocted the mess did so based on his/her visions. Everyone is entitled to
an opinion, but the problem arises with those who believe that everyone
should have the same opinion at them. Voice your opinion, but don't
belittle others views.

Don


I would love to get this topic running. Maybe I'm wrong, but if there
is a prize for photography, which all these websites have, wouldn't you
take the advise given and do better?




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Here are two examples.
http://www.thephotographersworkshop....s/13798_15.jpg and
http://www.shutterxtreme.com/guests/...full&imgID=430
for those that are wondering, this one is one of mine. The family shot
is ok for their family, How am I gonna judge on this? Wheres the
artistic value? I took great pride in capturing my leaf. and never
haerd anything negitive.

On 22 Dec 2005 06:35:46 -0800, ShutterXtreme wrote:

Here are two examples.
http://www.thephotographersworkshop....s/13798_15.jpg and
http://www.shutterxtreme.com/guests/...full&imgID=430
for those that are wondering, this one is one of mine. The family shot
is ok for their family, How am I gonna judge on this? Wheres the
artistic value? I took great pride in capturing my leaf. and never
haerd anything negitive.

Your leaf image provides plenty of opportunities for constructive
criticism. Some would mention:

1. The DOF problems.
2. The softness even in the sharpest areas.
3. The strong line placed right in the center.
4. The same line leading the eye into the image and straight out the other
side.
5. The overall greenish tint.

Some might offer some advice along the lines "Don't give up your day job."

I take critizism very well. Thank you for the pointers. That's not
what this topic was about. Please read the topic.