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How many roll film tanks?
Hello All,
I have been studying Ansel Adams' three excellent photography books and trying to plan some things for a darkroom I am building. I was reading the "Roll Film Processing" section in "The Negative". Most places online indicate that one tank is used and chemicals are dumped out and replaced by the chemicals in the next step. Ansel's instructions seem to indicate a separate processing tank for each step. I think this is further clarified by the pictures in which each tank has a different letter on the front. I counted five as follows: 1. Pre-soak 2. Developer 3. Stop Bath 4. Fixer 5. Hypo clearing agent Being new at this I am trying to stay as true to Ansel's instructions/technique as possible as a starting point. I figure if I follow the instructions of one of the masters it will eliminate a lot of initial frustration. What are all of you doing? One tank or separate tanks? Anyone tried both and noticed a difference? It seems like chemical residue in the single tank scenario could play a part in affecting development. |
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I have lots of tanks and will often use multiple tanks when I have more than
a few rolls to process. I have four eight roll tanks, one is "dry" (and stays that way). The next three contain developer, stop and fixer. I load into the dry tank and replace the lid after each roll is loaded, reels are stacked on a lift rod--if someone would open the door I'd only loose the roll I am currently loading--it never happens--my family knows I'll sulk for weeks!! I only put seven rolls onto the lift rod--it's easier to grab the top of the rod that way. When all rolls are loaded--AND STILL IN THE DARK!--I lift the rods out of the dry holding tank and submerge into the developer tank. Lid goes on, timer starts, lights on and process by inversion for the developing time less one minute, lights off, lid off, lift the stack into the stop (weak acid stop for this method or you could plunge the stack into the film washer in the dark if you prefer a wash to an acid stop) LIGHTS STILL OFF, transfer to fixer and agitate with the lights off in Rapid Fix, after one last minute in the dark you could flip on the lights but I'm paranoid and always fix two minutes before putting on the lights. Continue fixing for the balance of the time and then rinse, treat film with wash aid and wash and dry. The dry tank can be used for HCA if that's all the film you have to process or make a tank from PVC for the HCA. When the film is in the washer flip off the lights and get the next batch loaded. Each batch of film gets fresh developer, stop bath, fix and HCA are reused. My method has you in the dark for loading time and a couple of minutes for stop bath and fix only, it also allows inversion agitation (impossible with an open tank--obviously), and you don't need to wait for tanks to fill or empty. Note that if you don't like to get wet I recommend a Kinderman tank for the developer, those caps fit the best of any I have tried, the rest of my tanks I bought used at camera swap meets. And if you like to load without suffering I recommend Hewes or Kinderman reels, too. Though I have a bunch of Omega reels that are pretty good, too. The other nice thing about metal reels is the short drying times, I towel mine off with paper towels then dry them quickly with a blow dryer. (It's still nice to have plenty of reels so you can keep cranking out the processing.) One last tip-film, reels and lift rod displace some of the volume in your tank. Don't fill the tank all the way with developer, use this process to determine how much developer you need. Fill the tank with water, add empty reels and rod, remove rod and reels and then measure the volume of the remaining water. Write this number down, it's the quantity of developer required for this method using your tank and reels. -- darkroommike ---------- "Bob Salomon" wrote in message ... In article , (Icius) wrote: Hello All, I have been studying Ansel Adams' three excellent photography books and trying to plan some things for a darkroom I am building. I was reading the "Roll Film Processing" section in "The Negative". Most places online indicate that one tank is used and chemicals are dumped out and replaced by the chemicals in the next step. Ansel's instructions seem to indicate a separate processing tank for each step. I think this is further clarified by the pictures in which each tank has a different letter on the front. I counted five as follows: 1. Pre-soak 2. Developer 3. Stop Bath 4. Fixer 5. Hypo clearing agent Being new at this I am trying to stay as true to Ansel's instructions/technique as possible as a starting point. I figure if I follow the instructions of one of the masters it will eliminate a lot of initial frustration. What are all of you doing? One tank or separate tanks? Anyone tried both and noticed a difference? It seems like chemical residue in the single tank scenario could play a part in affecting development. Want to do all the processing in the dark or in room light? If you follow Adams directions you will spend your time in the dark. If you process rolls the way the vast majority of workers have over the past 40 years, or so, you will only be in the dark when you load the film. Take your choice. Both methods work. One is prone to fewer lost rolls due to accidents like someone unwittingly opening a door at the wrong moment. -- To reply no_ HPMarketing Corp. |
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I have lots of tanks and will often use multiple tanks when I have more than
a few rolls to process. I have four eight roll tanks, one is "dry" (and stays that way). The next three contain developer, stop and fixer. I load into the dry tank and replace the lid after each roll is loaded, reels are stacked on a lift rod--if someone would open the door I'd only loose the roll I am currently loading--it never happens--my family knows I'll sulk for weeks!! I only put seven rolls onto the lift rod--it's easier to grab the top of the rod that way. When all rolls are loaded--AND STILL IN THE DARK!--I lift the rods out of the dry holding tank and submerge into the developer tank. Lid goes on, timer starts, lights on and process by inversion for the developing time less one minute, lights off, lid off, lift the stack into the stop (weak acid stop for this method or you could plunge the stack into the film washer in the dark if you prefer a wash to an acid stop) LIGHTS STILL OFF, transfer to fixer and agitate with the lights off in Rapid Fix, after one last minute in the dark you could flip on the lights but I'm paranoid and always fix two minutes before putting on the lights. Continue fixing for the balance of the time and then rinse, treat film with wash aid and wash and dry. The dry tank can be used for HCA if that's all the film you have to process or make a tank from PVC for the HCA. When the film is in the washer flip off the lights and get the next batch loaded. Each batch of film gets fresh developer, stop bath, fix and HCA are reused. My method has you in the dark for loading time and a couple of minutes for stop bath and fix only, it also allows inversion agitation (impossible with an open tank--obviously), and you don't need to wait for tanks to fill or empty. Note that if you don't like to get wet I recommend a Kinderman tank for the developer, those caps fit the best of any I have tried, the rest of my tanks I bought used at camera swap meets. And if you like to load without suffering I recommend Hewes or Kinderman reels, too. Though I have a bunch of Omega reels that are pretty good, too. The other nice thing about metal reels is the short drying times, I towel mine off with paper towels then dry them quickly with a blow dryer. (It's still nice to have plenty of reels so you can keep cranking out the processing.) One last tip-film, reels and lift rod displace some of the volume in your tank. Don't fill the tank all the way with developer, use this process to determine how much developer you need. Fill the tank with water, add empty reels and rod, remove rod and reels and then measure the volume of the remaining water. Write this number down, it's the quantity of developer required for this method using your tank and reels. -- darkroommike ---------- "Bob Salomon" wrote in message ... In article , (Icius) wrote: Hello All, I have been studying Ansel Adams' three excellent photography books and trying to plan some things for a darkroom I am building. I was reading the "Roll Film Processing" section in "The Negative". Most places online indicate that one tank is used and chemicals are dumped out and replaced by the chemicals in the next step. Ansel's instructions seem to indicate a separate processing tank for each step. I think this is further clarified by the pictures in which each tank has a different letter on the front. I counted five as follows: 1. Pre-soak 2. Developer 3. Stop Bath 4. Fixer 5. Hypo clearing agent Being new at this I am trying to stay as true to Ansel's instructions/technique as possible as a starting point. I figure if I follow the instructions of one of the masters it will eliminate a lot of initial frustration. What are all of you doing? One tank or separate tanks? Anyone tried both and noticed a difference? It seems like chemical residue in the single tank scenario could play a part in affecting development. Want to do all the processing in the dark or in room light? If you follow Adams directions you will spend your time in the dark. If you process rolls the way the vast majority of workers have over the past 40 years, or so, you will only be in the dark when you load the film. Take your choice. Both methods work. One is prone to fewer lost rolls due to accidents like someone unwittingly opening a door at the wrong moment. -- To reply no_ HPMarketing Corp. |
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"Icius" wrote in message om... Hello All, I have been studying Ansel Adams' three excellent photography books and trying to plan some things for a darkroom I am building. I was reading the "Roll Film Processing" section in "The Negative". Most places online indicate that one tank is used and chemicals are dumped out and replaced by the chemicals in the next step. Ansel's instructions seem to indicate a separate processing tank for each step. I think this is further clarified by the pictures in which each tank has a different letter on the front. I counted five as follows: 1. Pre-soak 2. Developer 3. Stop Bath 4. Fixer 5. Hypo clearing agent Being new at this I am trying to stay as true to Ansel's instructions/technique as possible as a starting point. I figure if I follow the instructions of one of the masters it will eliminate a lot of initial frustration. What are all of you doing? One tank or separate tanks? Anyone tried both and noticed a difference? It seems like chemical residue in the single tank scenario could play a part in affecting development. I think Adams idea here was to avoid uneven development due to the time it takes to fill and empty the tank. Kodak also suggests filling the tank ahead of time and putting the loaded spool in it in the dark. I've worked both ways and find that if the developing time is reasonably long there is no significant difference between putting the film in first or putting the developer in first. The same wtih the stop bath. Certainly, the fill and dump times are much shorter if the lid can be taken off the tank, as it can in the dark. It is not necessary to use separate tanks, only that the dumping and filling be done in the dark so that the lid can be removed from the tank, but see the last paragraph. A couple of other things. I am not a believer in routine pre-soaking. Its helpful for some things. Mainly, it is used to even out the uptake of the developer by the film. The presoak saturates the emulsion so that the developer must displace the water by diffusion. This slows down the initial development and can eliminate some uneveness when the developer does not contact the film all at once. If the tank is filled first there is really no need for the presoak. I like to have film/developer combinations with developing times no shorter than about 8 minutes. This allows enough time at the beginning of development for the developer to soak into the emulsion evenly before much development happens. Presoaking affects mainly what is called the induction time of development, that is the time between the immersion of the film in the developer and the time the image begins to appear. It is the extension of this time that tends to even out development. The effect on overall development time will depend on several factors including the thickness of the emulsion and the type and pH of the developer. It is a factor which must be discovered by experiment, there is no formula for predicting it. The use of multiple tanks is common when processing large amounts of film. Nikor made tall tanks that took about eight rolls of 120 and double that of 35mm film. These are not really daylight tanks, the spools are on lifting rods and are transferred from one tank to another. Once in the tank the lights can be on and the tanks are agitated like the small ones by inversion. The lifting rods are very often missing when these tanks are sold. In short, presoaking or the use of a pre-filled tank is useful when development times are necessarily short but make diminishing difference as the development time is extended. There can be an effect on uniformity from the stop bath if it is poured in very slowly. However, because the film is already wet, and saturated by developer, the effect is much less than the effect of uneven application of developer. Fixing baths are used to completion so any uneveness in application is of no consequence. I recommend two bath fixing for both film and paper and a brief wash between fixing and wash aid, although the latter is really not necessary if the wash aid is not reused. -- --- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA |
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