Photoshopped a guy out of wheelchair?

On 3/20/2014 2:58 AM, RichA wrote:
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:45:11 PM UTC-4, Robert Coe wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 17:01:28 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote:

: This guy appears to be standing. But he's been confined to a wheelchair for several years now.

:

: http://cdn.pjmedia.com/tatler/files/...1-13.38.54.png



Shades of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. For the thirteen years Roosevelt was

President, he couldn't walk. He pretended to, but was actually held up by two

aides masquerading, I guess, as bodyguards. Most people didn't realize what

was going on.



Roosevelt refused to be photographed in a wheelchair, and the compliant press

of the time went along. So only a couple of such photographs made it into

print. Nowadays, Roosevelt would be admired for overcoming a physical handicap

so effectively; but at the time, he feared that his political opponents would

exploit it as an inherent sign of weakness.



Bob

Roosevelt shouldn't have been ridiculed for being crippled, should have been ridiculed for being an addled clown who gave 1/2 of Europe to the Soviets.


I see your knowledge of history is a tad lacking.
It was some guy named Churchill who made a secret agreement with Stalin,
and was concerned that the US would find out, and stop aiding the
British imperialists. If Britain had one bit of courage, WWII would not
have happened.


--
PeterN

On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:39:15 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 3/20/2014 2:58 AM, RichA wrote:
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:45:11 PM UTC-4, Robert Coe wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 17:01:28 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote:

: This guy appears to be standing. But he's been confined to a wheelchair for several years now.

:

: http://cdn.pjmedia.com/tatler/files/...1-13.38.54.png



Shades of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. For the thirteen years Roosevelt was

President, he couldn't walk. He pretended to, but was actually held up by two

aides masquerading, I guess, as bodyguards. Most people didn't realize what

was going on.



Roosevelt refused to be photographed in a wheelchair, and the compliant press

of the time went along. So only a couple of such photographs made it into

print. Nowadays, Roosevelt would be admired for overcoming a physical handicap

so effectively; but at the time, he feared that his political opponents would

exploit it as an inherent sign of weakness.



Bob

Roosevelt shouldn't have been ridiculed for being crippled, should have been ridiculed for being an addled clown who gave 1/2 of Europe to the Soviets.


I see your knowledge of history is a tad lacking.
It was some guy named Churchill who made a secret agreement with Stalin,
and was concerned that the US would find out, and stop aiding the
British imperialists. If Britain had one bit of courage, WWII would not
have happened.

That's a rather vague accusation. Exactly what secret agreement are
you referring to?

I think Robert Coe was referring to the agreement reached at the Yalta
conference in 1945.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference tells you more about it.

In particular, this summarises what each wanted:

"Each leader had an agenda for the Yalta Conference: Roosevelt
wanted Soviet support in the U.S. Pacific War against Japan,
specifically invading Japan, as well as Soviet participation in the
United Nations; Churchill pressed for free elections and democratic
governments in Eastern and Central Europe (specifically Poland);
and Stalin demanded a Soviet sphere of political influence in
Eastern and Central Europe, an essential aspect of the USSR's
national security strategy."

Roosevelt largely supported Stalin and what they each got is now well
known.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 2014-03-20 20:18:36 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:39:15 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 3/20/2014 2:58 AM, RichA wrote:
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:45:11 PM UTC-4, Robert Coe wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 17:01:28 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote:

: This guy appears to be standing. But he's been confined to a
wheelchair for several years now.

:

:
http://cdn.pjmedia.com/tatler/files/...1-13.38.54.png



Shades

of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. For the thirteen years Roosevelt was

President, he couldn't walk. He pretended to, but was actually held up by two

aides masquerading, I guess, as bodyguards. Most people didn't realize what

was going on.



Roosevelt refused to be photographed in a wheelchair, and the compliant press

of the time went along. So only a couple of such photographs made it into

print. Nowadays, Roosevelt would be admired for overcoming a physical handicap

so effectively; but at the time, he feared that his political opponents would

exploit it as an inherent sign of weakness.



Bob

Roosevelt shouldn't have been ridiculed for being crippled, should have
been ridiculed for being an addled clown who gave 1/2 of Europe to the
Soviets.


I see your knowledge of history is a tad lacking.
It was some guy named Churchill who made a secret agreement with Stalin,
and was concerned that the US would find out, and stop aiding the
British imperialists. If Britain had one bit of courage, WWII would not
have happened.

That's a rather vague accusation. Exactly what secret agreement are
you referring to?

I think Robert Coe was referring to the agreement reached at the Yalta
conference in 1945.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference tells you more about it.

In particular, this summarises what each wanted:

"Each leader had an agenda for the Yalta Conference: Roosevelt
wanted Soviet support in the U.S. Pacific War against Japan,
specifically invading Japan, as well as Soviet participation in the
United Nations; Churchill pressed for free elections and democratic
governments in Eastern and Central Europe (specifically Poland);
and Stalin demanded a Soviet sphere of political influence in
Eastern and Central Europe, an essential aspect of the USSR's
national security strategy."

Roosevelt largely supported Stalin and what they each got is now well
known.

The big loser at Yalta was Churchill, he had nothing to bargain with.
He tried to save Poland, the Balkans and Greece, from the Westward
Soviet push. Tito already had his ruthless hand in the Balkans, and
Greece came within a hair's breath of becoming part of the Warsaw Pact
with the post War communist insurrection.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 09:18:36 +1300, Eric Stevens
wrote:
: On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:39:15 -0400, PeterN
: wrote:
:
: On 3/20/2014 2:58 AM, RichA wrote:
: On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:45:11 PM UTC-4, Robert Coe wrote:
: On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 17:01:28 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote:
:
: : This guy appears to be standing. But he's been confined to a wheelchair for several years now.
:
: :
:
: : http://cdn.pjmedia.com/tatler/files/...1-13.38.54.png
:
:
:
: Shades of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. For the thirteen years Roosevelt was
:
: President, he couldn't walk. He pretended to, but was actually held up by two
:
: aides masquerading, I guess, as bodyguards. Most people didn't realize what
:
: was going on.
:
:
:
: Roosevelt refused to be photographed in a wheelchair, and the compliant press
:
: of the time went along. So only a couple of such photographs made it into
:
: print. Nowadays, Roosevelt would be admired for overcoming a physical handicap
:
: so effectively; but at the time, he feared that his political opponents would
:
: exploit it as an inherent sign of weakness.
:
:
:
: Bob
:
: Roosevelt shouldn't have been ridiculed for being crippled, should have been ridiculed for being an addled clown who gave 1/2 of Europe to the Soviets.
:
:
: I see your knowledge of history is a tad lacking.
: It was some guy named Churchill who made a secret agreement with Stalin,
: and was concerned that the US would find out, and stop aiding the
: British imperialists. If Britain had one bit of courage, WWII would not
: have happened.
:
: That's a rather vague accusation. Exactly what secret agreement are
: you referring to?
:
: I think Robert Coe was referring to the agreement reached at the Yalta
: conference in 1945.

Me? No, that was Rich (if, indeed, he was referring to Yalta).

Bob

On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 21:48:27 -0400, Robert Coe wrote:

On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 09:18:36 +1300, Eric Stevens
wrote:
: On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:39:15 -0400, PeterN
: wrote:
:
: On 3/20/2014 2:58 AM, RichA wrote:
: On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:45:11 PM UTC-4, Robert Coe wrote:
: On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 17:01:28 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote:
:
: : This guy appears to be standing. But he's been confined to a wheelchair for several years now.
:
: :
:
: : http://cdn.pjmedia.com/tatler/files/...1-13.38.54.png
:
:
:
: Shades of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. For the thirteen years Roosevelt was
:
: President, he couldn't walk. He pretended to, but was actually held up by two
:
: aides masquerading, I guess, as bodyguards. Most people didn't realize what
:
: was going on.
:
:
:
: Roosevelt refused to be photographed in a wheelchair, and the compliant press
:
: of the time went along. So only a couple of such photographs made it into
:
: print. Nowadays, Roosevelt would be admired for overcoming a physical handicap
:
: so effectively; but at the time, he feared that his political opponents would
:
: exploit it as an inherent sign of weakness.
:
:
:
: Bob
:
: Roosevelt shouldn't have been ridiculed for being crippled, should have been ridiculed for being an addled clown who gave 1/2 of Europe to the Soviets.
:
:
: I see your knowledge of history is a tad lacking.
: It was some guy named Churchill who made a secret agreement with Stalin,
: and was concerned that the US would find out, and stop aiding the
: British imperialists. If Britain had one bit of courage, WWII would not
: have happened.
:
: That's a rather vague accusation. Exactly what secret agreement are
: you referring to?
:
: I think Robert Coe was referring to the agreement reached at the Yalta
: conference in 1945.

Me? No, that was Rich (if, indeed, he was referring to Yalta).

Sorry about that.

Actually the bit I was responding to was written by PeterN. I don't
quite know what secret agreement he was referring to, but it can't
have been reached by Churchill as England was already committed to WW2
well before Churchill was made Prime Minister.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 3/20/2014 4:18 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:39:15 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 3/20/2014 2:58 AM, RichA wrote:
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:45:11 PM UTC-4, Robert Coe wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 17:01:28 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote:

: This guy appears to be standing. But he's been confined to a wheelchair for several years now.

:

: http://cdn.pjmedia.com/tatler/files/...1-13.38.54.png



Shades of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. For the thirteen years Roosevelt was

President, he couldn't walk. He pretended to, but was actually held up by two

aides masquerading, I guess, as bodyguards. Most people didn't realize what

was going on.



Roosevelt refused to be photographed in a wheelchair, and the compliant press

of the time went along. So only a couple of such photographs made it into

print. Nowadays, Roosevelt would be admired for overcoming a physical handicap

so effectively; but at the time, he feared that his political opponents would

exploit it as an inherent sign of weakness.



Bob

Roosevelt shouldn't have been ridiculed for being crippled, should have been ridiculed for being an addled clown who gave 1/2 of Europe to the Soviets.


I see your knowledge of history is a tad lacking.
It was some guy named Churchill who made a secret agreement with Stalin,
and was concerned that the US would find out, and stop aiding the
British imperialists. If Britain had one bit of courage, WWII would not
have happened.

That's a rather vague accusation. Exactly what secret agreement are
you referring to?

I think Robert Coe was referring to the agreement reached at the Yalta
conference in 1945.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference tells you more about it.

In particular, this summarises what each wanted:

"Each leader had an agenda for the Yalta Conference: Roosevelt
wanted Soviet support in the U.S. Pacific War against Japan,
specifically invading Japan, as well as Soviet participation in the
United Nations; Churchill pressed for free elections and democratic
governments in Eastern and Central Europe (specifically Poland);
and Stalin demanded a Soviet sphere of political influence in
Eastern and Central Europe, an essential aspect of the USSR's
national security strategy."

Roosevelt largely supported Stalin and what they each got is now well
known.


There was an agreement between Churchill and Stalin that essentially
said the Soviets would have influence in Poland and the Brits would have
influence in Greece. They knew the US would not be happy about that
return to European imperialism, so we did not lern bout it until it was
too late.

--
PeterN

On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 21:54:33 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 3/20/2014 4:18 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:39:15 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 3/20/2014 2:58 AM, RichA wrote:
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:45:11 PM UTC-4, Robert Coe wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 17:01:28 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote:

: This guy appears to be standing. But he's been confined to a wheelchair for several years now.

:

: http://cdn.pjmedia.com/tatler/files/...1-13.38.54.png



Shades of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. For the thirteen years Roosevelt was

President, he couldn't walk. He pretended to, but was actually held up by two

aides masquerading, I guess, as bodyguards. Most people didn't realize what

was going on.



Roosevelt refused to be photographed in a wheelchair, and the compliant press

of the time went along. So only a couple of such photographs made it into

print. Nowadays, Roosevelt would be admired for overcoming a physical handicap

so effectively; but at the time, he feared that his political opponents would

exploit it as an inherent sign of weakness.



Bob

Roosevelt shouldn't have been ridiculed for being crippled, should have been ridiculed for being an addled clown who gave 1/2 of Europe to the Soviets.


I see your knowledge of history is a tad lacking.
It was some guy named Churchill who made a secret agreement with Stalin,
and was concerned that the US would find out, and stop aiding the
British imperialists. If Britain had one bit of courage, WWII would not
have happened.

That's a rather vague accusation. Exactly what secret agreement are
you referring to?

I think Robert Coe was referring to the agreement reached at the Yalta
conference in 1945.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference tells you more about it.

In particular, this summarises what each wanted:

"Each leader had an agenda for the Yalta Conference: Roosevelt
wanted Soviet support in the U.S. Pacific War against Japan,
specifically invading Japan, as well as Soviet participation in the
United Nations; Churchill pressed for free elections and democratic
governments in Eastern and Central Europe (specifically Poland);
and Stalin demanded a Soviet sphere of political influence in
Eastern and Central Europe, an essential aspect of the USSR's
national security strategy."

Roosevelt largely supported Stalin and what they each got is now well
known.


There was an agreement between Churchill and Stalin that essentially
said the Soviets would have influence in Poland and the Brits would have
influence in Greece. They knew the US would not be happy about that
return to European imperialism, so we did not lern bout it until it was
too late.

When and where was that reached?
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 2014-03-23 07:57:44 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 21:54:33 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 3/20/2014 4:18 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:39:15 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 3/20/2014 2:58 AM, RichA wrote:
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:45:11 PM UTC-4, Robert Coe wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 17:01:28 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote:

: This guy appears to be standing. But he's been confined to a
wheelchair for several years now.

:

:
http://cdn.pjmedia.com/tatler/files/...1-13.38.54.png



Shades

of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. For the thirteen years Roosevelt was

President, he couldn't walk. He pretended to, but was actually held up by two

aides masquerading, I guess, as bodyguards. Most people didn't realize what

was going on.



Roosevelt refused to be photographed in a wheelchair, and the compliant press

of the time went along. So only a couple of such photographs made it into

print. Nowadays, Roosevelt would be admired for overcoming a physical handicap

so effectively; but at the time, he feared that his political opponents would

exploit it as an inherent sign of weakness.



Bob

Roosevelt shouldn't have been ridiculed for being crippled, should have
been ridiculed for being an addled clown who gave 1/2 of Europe to the
Soviets.


I see your knowledge of history is a tad lacking.
It was some guy named Churchill who made a secret agreement with Stalin,
and was concerned that the US would find out, and stop aiding the
British imperialists. If Britain had one bit of courage, WWII would not
have happened.

That's a rather vague accusation. Exactly what secret agreement are
you referring to?

I think Robert Coe was referring to the agreement reached at the Yalta
conference in 1945.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference tells you more about it.

In particular, this summarises what each wanted:

"Each leader had an agenda for the Yalta Conference: Roosevelt
wanted Soviet support in the U.S. Pacific War against Japan,
specifically invading Japan, as well as Soviet participation in the
United Nations; Churchill pressed for free elections and democratic
governments in Eastern and Central Europe (specifically Poland);
and Stalin demanded a Soviet sphere of political influence in
Eastern and Central Europe, an essential aspect of the USSR's
national security strategy."

Roosevelt largely supported Stalin and what they each got is now well
known.


There was an agreement between Churchill and Stalin that essentially
said the Soviets would have influence in Poland and the Brits would have
influence in Greece. They knew the US would not be happy about that
return to European imperialism, so we did not lern bout it until it was
too late.

When and where was that reached?

Aah! The myths of reimagined history.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 3/23/2014 3:57 AM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 21:54:33 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 3/20/2014 4:18 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:39:15 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 3/20/2014 2:58 AM, RichA wrote:
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:45:11 PM UTC-4, Robert Coe wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 17:01:28 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote:

: This guy appears to be standing. But he's been confined to a wheelchair for several years now.

:

: http://cdn.pjmedia.com/tatler/files/...1-13.38.54.png



Shades of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. For the thirteen years Roosevelt was

President, he couldn't walk. He pretended to, but was actually held up by two

aides masquerading, I guess, as bodyguards. Most people didn't realize what

was going on.



Roosevelt refused to be photographed in a wheelchair, and the compliant press

of the time went along. So only a couple of such photographs made it into

print. Nowadays, Roosevelt would be admired for overcoming a physical handicap

so effectively; but at the time, he feared that his political opponents would

exploit it as an inherent sign of weakness.



Bob

Roosevelt shouldn't have been ridiculed for being crippled, should have been ridiculed for being an addled clown who gave 1/2 of Europe to the Soviets.


I see your knowledge of history is a tad lacking.
It was some guy named Churchill who made a secret agreement with Stalin,
and was concerned that the US would find out, and stop aiding the
British imperialists. If Britain had one bit of courage, WWII would not
have happened.

That's a rather vague accusation. Exactly what secret agreement are
you referring to?

I think Robert Coe was referring to the agreement reached at the Yalta
conference in 1945.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference tells you more about it.

In particular, this summarises what each wanted:

"Each leader had an agenda for the Yalta Conference: Roosevelt
wanted Soviet support in the U.S. Pacific War against Japan,
specifically invading Japan, as well as Soviet participation in the
United Nations; Churchill pressed for free elections and democratic
governments in Eastern and Central Europe (specifically Poland);
and Stalin demanded a Soviet sphere of political influence in
Eastern and Central Europe, an essential aspect of the USSR's
national security strategy."

Roosevelt largely supported Stalin and what they each got is now well
known.


There was an agreement between Churchill and Stalin that essentially
said the Soviets would have influence in Poland and the Brits would have
influence in Greece. They knew the US would not be happy about that
return to European imperialism, so we did not lern bout it until it was
too late.

When and where was that reached?


Google "naughty document," before yo eat.

--
PeterN

On 3/23/2014 3:57 AM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 21:54:33 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 3/20/2014 4:18 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:39:15 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 3/20/2014 2:58 AM, RichA wrote:
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:45:11 PM UTC-4, Robert Coe wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 17:01:28 -0700 (PDT), RichA wrote:

: This guy appears to be standing. But he's been confined to a wheelchair for several years now.

:

: http://cdn.pjmedia.com/tatler/files/...1-13.38.54.png



Shades of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. For the thirteen years Roosevelt was

President, he couldn't walk. He pretended to, but was actually held up by two

aides masquerading, I guess, as bodyguards. Most people didn't realize what

was going on.



Roosevelt refused to be photographed in a wheelchair, and the compliant press

of the time went along. So only a couple of such photographs made it into

print. Nowadays, Roosevelt would be admired for overcoming a physical handicap

so effectively; but at the time, he feared that his political opponents would

exploit it as an inherent sign of weakness.



Bob

Roosevelt shouldn't have been ridiculed for being crippled, should have been ridiculed for being an addled clown who gave 1/2 of Europe to the Soviets.


I see your knowledge of history is a tad lacking.
It was some guy named Churchill who made a secret agreement with Stalin,
and was concerned that the US would find out, and stop aiding the
British imperialists. If Britain had one bit of courage, WWII would not
have happened.

That's a rather vague accusation. Exactly what secret agreement are
you referring to?

I think Robert Coe was referring to the agreement reached at the Yalta
conference in 1945.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference tells you more about it.

In particular, this summarises what each wanted:

"Each leader had an agenda for the Yalta Conference: Roosevelt
wanted Soviet support in the U.S. Pacific War against Japan,
specifically invading Japan, as well as Soviet participation in the
United Nations; Churchill pressed for free elections and democratic
governments in Eastern and Central Europe (specifically Poland);
and Stalin demanded a Soviet sphere of political influence in
Eastern and Central Europe, an essential aspect of the USSR's
national security strategy."

Roosevelt largely supported Stalin and what they each got is now well
known.


There was an agreement between Churchill and Stalin that essentially
said the Soviets would have influence in Poland and the Brits would have
influence in Greece. They knew the US would not be happy about that
return to European imperialism, so we did not lern bout it until it was
too late.

When and where was that reached?


I left off a link to get you started:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percentages_agreement

--
PeterN