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35mm slide and negative scanning - UK?
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 10:33:09 -0400, nospam
wrote: it's nowhere near as good as a dedicated negative/slide scanner. I know that, and of course I fully agree. The thing is, I don't think he has yet fully assessed the sheer amount of work involved in making worthwhile scans from negatives. As those of us who have done it will know, the amount of work involved in such a project is enormous. I suspect he is still at the optimistic "this will be relatively simple and straightforward" stage... We're usually talking years here. |
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35mm slide and negative scanning - UK?
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wrote: it's nowhere near as good as a dedicated negative/slide scanner. I know that, and of course I fully agree. The thing is, I don't think he has yet fully assessed the sheer amount of work involved in making worthwhile scans from negatives. it won't be much less than from prints, quite possibly more since it's very hard to autofeed prints and there's a higher chance of dirt, dust, etc. As those of us who have done it will know, the amount of work involved in such a project is enormous. I suspect he is still at the optimistic "this will be relatively simple and straightforward" stage... yes it is. We're usually talking years here. that depends how many photos. |
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35mm slide and negative scanning - UK?
On 2018-08-01 02:58, nospam wrote:
In article , wrote: it's nowhere near as good as a dedicated negative/slide scanner. I know that, and of course I fully agree. The thing is, I don't think he has yet fully assessed the sheer amount of work involved in making worthwhile scans from negatives. it won't be much less than from prints, quite possibly more since it's very hard to autofeed prints and there's a higher chance of dirt, dust, etc. On the other hand, they are bigger in size, so dust is less relevant. If all you have is a standard "paper" scanner with a negative attachment, it may be better to scan the prints if well preserved. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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35mm slide and negative scanning - UK?
On 2018-08-01 10:44, Tim Watts wrote:
On 01/08/18 00:08, wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 10:33:09 -0400, nospam wrote: it's nowhere near as good as a dedicated negative/slide scanner. I know that, and of course I fully agree. The thing is, I don't think he has yet fully assessed the sheer amount of work involved in making worthwhile scans from negatives. Oh I have - I've done it before with a Nikon Coolscan III a long loing time ago. It is time consuming... But OTOH sending slides away is risky (loss) and costs are looking like around 48p per slide for a RAW scan (which means I can fiddle with them in Lightroom and perhaps have a bit more to work with). I don;t have many slides - maybe a few hundred - but I have a bugger of a lot of negatives. Maybe there are places that can do a fast and inexpensive scan (automated) of many negatives. I suppose a good, fast, automatic feed scanner is expensive. Then examine the results and do a detailed scan of those pictures that are worth the expense. I'm doing something of the kind, but it is not automatic scan, and it is not "wonderful" quality. It takes time, even if it is 2 seconds nominally per photo: placing the negative in the frame, placing the frame in position, press the button... Just enough for seeing what the photos are about in the computer, or having a family archive. If you want quality, you have to pay for it. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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35mm slide and negative scanning - UK?
On 01/08/2018 09:44, Tim Watts wrote:
On 01/08/18 00:08, wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 10:33:09 -0400, nospam wrote: it's nowhere near as good as a dedicated negative/slide scanner. I know that, and of course I fully agree. The thing is, I don't think he has yet fully assessed the sheer amount of work involved in making worthwhile scans from negatives. Oh I have - I've done it before with a Nikon Coolscan III a long loing time ago. It is time consuming... But OTOH sending slides away is risky (loss) and costs are looking like around 48p per slide for a RAW scan (which means I can fiddle with them in Lightroom and perhaps have a bit more to work with). I don;t have many slides - maybe a few hundred - but I have a bugger of a lot of negatives. Say 5000? I'd probably go for this: http://www.pixave.co.uk/negatives-scanning-service at 20p/negative, £1000. Look at them all, and see if any were worth working on. I'd want some assurances about the safety/security of the slides*. Then if necessary, buy a Nikon scanner (say a IV ED at £250) and scan the ones I wanted. I think I'm scarred from the days of optical media. I'm of the mind that this sort of thing is just a waste of time - 5000 scans would take up say 200 hours? (at 2-3 minutes per scan?). Well over a working month. £1250 (less the cost of reselling the scanner) is a fair amount of money to me, but I could afford to miss it, just about, if the pictures were important. * a nice weekend in Bognor? :-) -- Cheers, Rob |
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35mm slide and negative scanning - UK?
On 01/08/18 11:38, RJH wrote:
On 01/08/2018 09:44, Tim Watts wrote: On 01/08/18 00:08, wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 10:33:09 -0400, nospam wrote: it's nowhere near as good as a dedicated negative/slide scanner. I know that, and of course I fully agree. The thing is, I don't think he has yet fully assessed the sheer amount of work involved in making worthwhile scans from negatives. Oh I have - I've done it before with a Nikon Coolscan III a long loing time ago. It is time consuming... But OTOH sending slides away is risky (loss) and costs are looking like around 48p per slide for a RAW scan (which means I can fiddle with them in Lightroom and perhaps have a bit more to work with). I don;t have many slides - maybe a few hundred - but I have a bugger of a lot of negatives. Say 5000? I'd probably go for this: http://www.pixave.co.uk/negatives-scanning-service at 20p/negative, £1000. Look at them all, and see if any were worth working on. I'd want some assurances about the safety/security of the slides*. Then if necessary, buy a Nikon scanner (say a IV ED at £250) and scan the ones I wanted. I think I'm scarred from the days of optical media. I'm of the mind that this sort of thing is just a waste of time - 5000 scans would take up say 200 hours? (at 2-3 minutes per scan?). Well over a working month. £1250 (less the cost of reselling the scanner) is a fair amount of money to me, but I could afford to miss it, just about, if the pictures were important. Perhaps another approach is rather than religiously scanning everything, a small lightbox to see what's worth scanning - I know it's harder to sight a negative, but one can do so to some extent. Combine that with a good naming/folder system so you can see easily what hasn't been scanned and revisit later. |
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35mm slide and negative scanning - UK?
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 13:15:00 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote: On 01/08/18 11:38, RJH wrote: On 01/08/2018 09:44, Tim Watts wrote: On 01/08/18 00:08, wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 10:33:09 -0400, nospam wrote: it's nowhere near as good as a dedicated negative/slide scanner. I know that, and of course I fully agree. The thing is, I don't think he has yet fully assessed the sheer amount of work involved in making worthwhile scans from negatives. Oh I have - I've done it before with a Nikon Coolscan III a long loing time ago. It is time consuming... But OTOH sending slides away is risky (loss) and costs are looking like around 48p per slide for a RAW scan (which means I can fiddle with them in Lightroom and perhaps have a bit more to work with). I don;t have many slides - maybe a few hundred - but I have a bugger of a lot of negatives. Say 5000? I'd probably go for this: http://www.pixave.co.uk/negatives-scanning-service at 20p/negative, £1000. Look at them all, and see if any were worth working on. I'd want some assurances about the safety/security of the slides*. Then if necessary, buy a Nikon scanner (say a IV ED at £250) and scan the ones I wanted. I think I'm scarred from the days of optical media. I'm of the mind that this sort of thing is just a waste of time - 5000 scans would take up say 200 hours? (at 2-3 minutes per scan?). Well over a working month. £1250 (less the cost of reselling the scanner) is a fair amount of money to me, but I could afford to miss it, just about, if the pictures were important. Perhaps another approach is rather than religiously scanning everything, a small lightbox to see what's worth scanning - I know it's harder to sight a negative, but one can do so to some extent. Combine that with a good naming/folder system so you can see easily what hasn't been scanned and revisit later. You can do "contact prints" if you have a scanner capable of doing transmission scanning. The easiest way is to just lie the negs down on the glass (as opposed to using holders). Depending on the ambient humidity, the negs will curl and that is a big hassle. But if the humidity is right, they will lie fairly flat and you can scan many quickly. Then invert the colors to positive in your favorite editor and you can see what is there. Lie them emulsion side down to avoid Newton rings. That gives scans that are the wrong way around. Just flip them horizontally in software. How old are the negs? Older negs can have color problems that are hard to fix due to the different fade rates of the color layers. These issues can be dealt with by adjusting curves in photo editing software. But it's hard, because there is no easy way to know how to fix the curves. You have to go by eye, and the eye tricks you. There are also color issues due to color changes in the base and gelatin matrix. Curves will fix those too, but it is tricky. You would think all negs on a roll could be adjusted the same way, but my experience is that this does not work at all. Still, with experience, it is possible to get excellent restoration results of old negs. (They turn grainy, though, because of loss of dye, but that is maybe not a big issue for family shots.) It is just very time consuming. |
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35mm slide and negative scanning - UK?
On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 00:08:58 -0600, Wally wrote:
at 20p/negative, £1000. Look at them all, and see if any were worth working on. My experience was that after going down that kind of route, in the end the only sensible approach was to systematically scan the lot manually to the highest resolution possible, in batches of (say) one roll of negatives at a time. Obviously discarding at this stage the definite clunkers, out of focus, unacceptable facial expressions, images of no interest, etc. Scan them in, sort them, batch rename, etc., But do not stop for fine editing at this point Better workfllow to have scan sessions, and then editing sessions, not both at the same time. The gambit of rough scan then redo for the ones of interest doesn't work -- for example, sometimes you have a bad image but half of it is of interest. Do that half while you see it, otherwise you'll never go back to it. You need to decide on scan or not there and then, not later. Also, the items you scan, do them all at the highest quality you can and save them in a lossless format (not jpg!). Keep the raw scans as originals, and together in meaningful arrangement. Copy from this "master archive" the images that you want to eit. into a separate sequence. |
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