How this for timing? (Not bad flying either)

On Apr 3, 2019, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 11:11:13 +0100, newshound
wrote:

On 02/04/2019 23:39, Eric Stevens wrote:
https://i2-prod.devonlive.com/incomi...ERNATES/s810/0
_Roger-Yersin.jpg
Hmm. Do I believe it?

I must admit I was frankly doubtful. That's the kind of flying that
would have the authorities down on the pilot like several tons of
bricks. My source for the photograph was
https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon...-devon-2706620
and then I noticed the date of publication.
Not when the pilot’s name was "Ebrill yn Gyntaf� which translates from
Welch to
“April Fool�.

https://translate.google.com/#view=h...=en&text=Ebril
l%20yn%20Gyntaf

But it could have been possible. See
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4trtpb8y59...25605.jpg?dl=0 in which I
believe the plane was doing some 400 knots.
The Russians have made those ultra low level passes part of their airshow
routine for some time.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bqlexyo2si...Honda.jpg?dl=0
was somewhat slower but undoubtedly required precision flying.

Those are pretty well rehearsed performances. The pilot just has to remember
which way to move the stick to climb.

I think that what gives it away as a fake is the lack of heat haze or
optical distortion in the region of the jet blast in the tail. Also
some of the reflection is rather too good for damp (not wet) sand.

All of that in addition to the absurdity of the premise of a “Red Arrow�
Hawk T-1A finding itself under the Paignton Pier. ;-)

I would have made these comments sooner but communication with my news
server was out for about 24 hours.

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Savageduck

On Wed, 03 Apr 2019 15:45:15 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On Apr 3, 2019, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 11:11:13 +0100, newshound
wrote:

On 02/04/2019 23:39, Eric Stevens wrote:
https://i2-prod.devonlive.com/incomi...ERNATES/s810/0
_Roger-Yersin.jpg
Hmm. Do I believe it?

I must admit I was frankly doubtful. That's the kind of flying that
would have the authorities down on the pilot like several tons of
bricks. My source for the photograph was
https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon...-devon-2706620
and then I noticed the date of publication.
Not when the pilot’s name was "Ebrill yn Gyntaf� which translates from
Welch to
“April Fool�.

https://translate.google.com/#view=h...=en&text=Ebril
l%20yn%20Gyntaf

But it could have been possible. See
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4trtpb8y59...25605.jpg?dl=0 in which I
believe the plane was doing some 400 knots.
The Russians have made those ultra low level passes part of their airshow
routine for some time.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bqlexyo2si...Honda.jpg?dl=0
was somewhat slower but undoubtedly required precision flying.

Those are pretty well rehearsed performances. The pilot just has to remember
which way to move the stick to climb.

I think that what gives it away as a fake is the lack of heat haze or
optical distortion in the region of the jet blast in the tail. Also
some of the reflection is rather too good for damp (not wet) sand.

All of that in addition to the absurdity of the premise of a “Red Arrow�
Hawk T-1A finding itself under the Paignton Pier. ;-)

There was one bridge in particular, a hump backed stone bridge, which
local Spitfire pilots had a tradition of flying under. At least one
pilot was killed in the attempt. Here is Ray Hanna doing it
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcLOURdW4AAZSMB.jpg

I think the trees and the bend in the river on one side of the bridge
might have been part of the problem.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1808/...94eb0122_c.jpg

Another pilot, another bridge, but still a Spitfire
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CR6ALRkWoAAMw0u.jpg

Much less of a challenge, there is this Hawker Hunter
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2...2712735354.jpg

I would have made these comments sooner but communication with my news
server was out for about 24 hours.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 04/04/2019 02:19, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2019 15:45:15 -0700, Savageduck


All of that in addition to the absurdity of the premise of a “Red Arrow�
Hawk T-1A finding itself under the Paignton Pier. ;-)

There was one bridge in particular, a hump backed stone bridge, which
local Spitfire pilots had a tradition of flying under. At least one
pilot was killed in the attempt. Here is Ray Hanna doing it
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcLOURdW4AAZSMB.jpg

I think the trees and the bend in the river on one side of the bridge
might have been part of the problem.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1808/...94eb0122_c.jpg

Another pilot, another bridge, but still a Spitfire
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CR6ALRkWoAAMw0u.jpg

Much less of a challenge, there is this Hawker Hunter
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2...2712735354.jpg

A bit close for comfort, that last one!

On Apr 4, 2019, Whisky-dave wrote
(in ):

On Thursday, 4 April 2019 00:08:54 UTC+1, David in Devon wrote:
On 03/04/2019 23:42, newshound wrote:
On 03/04/2019 22:05, Savageduck wrote:
[....]
Nice!

I was thinking of "sharing" in the much more general "fake news" sense.
I am regularly astonished by seeing in email and social media obvious
nonsense passed around by some of my otherwise reasonably intelligent
and well educated friends and acquaintances.

Please let Savageduck know that the language is not "Welch" ....

........ it is *Welsh*!

It's foreign so who cares ;-)

But well done Savageduck for finding that out, I'd never thought of
translating it.

The clues were there, and I was suspicious. Besides, why make the point of
naming “ the Welsh pilot, Ebrill yn Gyntaf� when it should have been
Williams, Evans, or Thomas? More important, this was the RAF, and a “Red
Arrow�, so why no rank for the pilot? That seemed a tad disrespectful.

Google was able to provide the translation to slide the final piece of the
puzzle into place.

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Savageduck

On 2019-04-02 18:39, Eric Stevens wrote:
https://i2-prod.devonlive.com/incomi...ger-Yersin.jpg

1. The depth of field is too deep for the required shutter speed.

2. No shadow from the aircraft. Indeed it's own horizontal stabilizer
should have cast a shadow on the fuselage and the vertical stabilizer
should be well lit as the top of the horizontal stab..

3. There would likely be shock effect on the water below and immediately
after the aircraft.


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On 2019-04-03 18:21, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 11:11:13 +0100, newshound
wrote:

On 02/04/2019 23:39, Eric Stevens wrote:
https://i2-prod.devonlive.com/incomi...ger-Yersin.jpg

Hmm. Do I believe it?

I must admit I was frankly doubtful. That's the kind of flying that
would have the authorities down on the pilot like several tons of
bricks. My source for the photograph was
https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon...-devon-2706620
and then I noticed the date of publication.

But it could have been possible. See
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4trtpb8y59...25605.jpg?dl=0 in which I
believe the plane was doing some 400 knots.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bqlexyo2si...Honda.jpg?dl=0
was somewhat slower but undoubtedly required precision flying.

I think that what gives it away as a fake is the lack of heat haze or
optical distortion in the region of the jet blast in the tail. Also
some of the reflection is rather too good for damp (not wet) sand.

Also the blue sky coming through the canopy in the reflected image...

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On Apr 4, 2019, Alan Browne wrote
(in ):

On 2019-04-02 18:39, Eric Stevens wrote:
https://i2-prod.devonlive.com/incomi...ger-Yersin.jpg

1. The depth of field is too deep for the required shutter speed.

2. No shadow from the aircraft. Indeed it's own horizontal stabilizer
should have cast a shadow on the fuselage and the vertical stabilizer
should be well lit as the top of the horizontal stab..

3. There would likely be shock effect on the water below and immediately
after the aircraft.

You are a few days late to the thread. It was an April 1st prank.

When originally published on April 1, devonlive.com noted the pilot’s name
as “ the Welsh pilot, Ebrill yn Gyntaf�

“Ebrill yn Gyntaf� from Welsh translates to “April First�.

https://translate.google.com/#view=h...=en&text=Ebril
l%20yn%20Gyntaf

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Regards,
Savageduck

On 2019-04-04 20:21, RichA wrote:
On Thursday, 4 April 2019 04:31:03 UTC-4, newshound wrote:
On 04/04/2019 02:19, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2019 15:45:15 -0700, Savageduck


All of that in addition to the absurdity of the premise of a “Red Arrow�
Hawk T-1A finding itself under the Paignton Pier. ;-)

There was one bridge in particular, a hump backed stone bridge, which
local Spitfire pilots had a tradition of flying under. At least one
pilot was killed in the attempt. Here is Ray Hanna doing it
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcLOURdW4AAZSMB.jpg

I think the trees and the bend in the river on one side of the bridge
might have been part of the problem.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1808/...94eb0122_c.jpg

Another pilot, another bridge, but still a Spitfire
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CR6ALRkWoAAMw0u.jpg

Much less of a challenge, there is this Hawker Hunter
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2...2712735354.jpg

A bit close for comfort, that last one!

I don't know why people get worked up over this. These planes can maintain level flight with no more than 6-10 inch deviance

No.

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On 4/3/2019 5:05 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Apr 3, 2019, newshound wrote
(in articler6OdnbG7M8VLjjjBnZ2dnUU78d3NnZ2d@brightvie w.co.uk):

On 03/04/2019 18:51, Savageduck wrote:
On Apr 3, 2019, Savageduck wrote
(in iganews.com):

On Apr 3, 2019, Tony Cooper wrote


My Photoshop skills are such that I could easily fake success, but I
don't. I've never been tempted. It's a self-challenge to succeed.
I would hope that Yersin feels the same.

I have a feeling that for Roger Yersin, the shot we are discussing was a PS
exercise which turned out pretty good, and was then shared to the
devonlive.com site as a gag to see just how far it would go. I also suspect
that since the plane in question is a Hawk T1A in the colors of the RAF
display team, the “Red Arrows�, that any pilot pulling that stunt would
find himself off the team, and facing disciplinary action.

I also noted that the shot was also posted on the plymouthherald.co.uk on
April 1st and has been confirmed as an April Fools Day prank. The pilot was
alleged to be one "Ebrill yn Gyntaf� which translates from Welch to
“April Fools�.

https://translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=auto&tl=en&text=Ebrill% 20yn%20Gyntaf

BTW: this was allegedly shot under the Paignton Pier, and given the reality
of that particular pier, no aircraft was going to fly under it.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Paignton_Pier_stitch.jpg


...but if you are anywhere near Torbay, Devon on June1, or 2 you will be
able to see the Red Arrows at work.

https://torbayairshow.com
Glad to hear the full explanation. Seems to be a competent photographer
with no intent to deceive. The only thing I find mildly depressing is
the lack of challenge with "shares", something which seems to me to be
far too common these days.

Agreed! It seems to have been an honest April Fool gag.

When you say “lack of challenge with shares� I assume that you are
referring to the current nature of the photography NGs, particularly r.d.p.,
and the lack of image sharing. These days r.d.p. has become a battlefield for
trolls, stalkers, and flame warriors.

The SI (Shoot In) died due to lack of enthusiasm & participants, and the
number of shared images has dwindled ever since. We still have a handful who
try to talk photos, or camera equipment. However, argument without substance,
and personal, and OT attacks, along with unexplainable stupidity prevail.

All we need is for effective kill files, and a willingness to keep the group
On Topic by sharing the occasional image, seeking occasional constructive
criticism, meet the occasional challenge Image creation/PP issue), discussing
equipment, and avoiding thread entropy.

Anyway, here is a shot of a pier (Pismo Beach Pier) any aerobatics team would
have trouble flying under.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-cmHpsfT/0/e1e5b3a7/O/i-cmHpsfT.jpg


OK. As long as we are sharing images: Here is a link to one of my
abstracts, that I don't think even the Duck will hate it too much.
Although the component images are old, I pieced it together about a
month ago.

There are over 26 different images in this one:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cpr1w0618obffd5/museum%20Dahlias.jpg?dl=0

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On 4/5/2019 3:23 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2019-04-04 20:21, RichA wrote:
On Thursday, 4 April 2019 04:31:03 UTC-4, newshoundÂ* wrote:
On 04/04/2019 02:19, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2019 15:45:15 -0700, Savageduck


All of that in addition to the absurdity of the premise of a “Red
Arrow�
Hawk T-1A finding itself under the Paignton Pier. ;-)

There was one bridge in particular, a hump backed stone bridge, which
local Spitfire pilots had a tradition of flying under. At least one
pilot was killed in the attempt. Here is Ray Hanna doing it
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcLOURdW4AAZSMB.jpg

I think the trees and the bend in the river on one side of the bridge
might have been part of the problem.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1808/...94eb0122_c.jpg

Another pilot, another bridge, but still a Spitfire
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CR6ALRkWoAAMw0u.jpg

Much less of a challenge, there is this Hawker Hunter
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2...2712735354.jpg


A bit close for comfort, that last one!

I don't know why people get worked up over this.Â* These planes can
maintain level flight with no more than 6-10 inch deviance

No.



I don't know what he means by "deviance." However I would think that
turbulence would adversely affect level flight under that structure.

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