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On 2/1/2018 3:53 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:

For several years I have run McAfee, Super anti Spyware and Malware
Bytes on my W10 systems. I don't recall McAfee ever declaring that
it's found anything.

This is true, but Windows 10 is a very different animal than Windows XP,
or Windows Vista. Starting with Windows 7, the malware problem on
Windows machines has been very small, and vulnerabilities have been
patched quickly. I have never had any malware on any of my many Windows
10 systems.

Can't handle the truth can you TO BAD.


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"Tim Streater" wrote in message
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In article , Andy
wrote:

Say what you wish mac's can get viruses and malware just as easy as a pc.
It's a proven fact .

**** off.

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I meant IOS11 in my orginal post and yes they are attacking it for some
reason.
MAC'S arnt going to be immune to viruses and malware attacks for ever to
spite the denial by the mac camp


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"Doomsdrzej" wrote in message
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On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 21:06:00 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
wrote:

In message Doomsdrzej
wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 14:39:01 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
wrote:

In message Andy
wrote:
From what my mac friend have said it has or soon will.

Your "friend" knows nothing or you misunderstood.

There is no such thing as Mac Os 11.

I think he's referring to iOS 11 which, as far as I know, exists.

Well in that case there is no malware AND no viruses, so he;'s still an
idiot and still wrong.

Well, he pointed out that people are _trying_ to attack iOS 11 which
is essentially true of pretty much every operating system under the
sun. As such, let's all agree to compromise and call him a half-wit.

On 01/02/2018 18:43, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Thu, 1 Feb 2018 14:06:47 +0000, "David B."
wrote:

On 01/02/2018 13:47, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 12:25:04 +0000, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Andy
wrote:

Say what you wish mac's can get viruses and malware just as easy as a pc.
It's a proven fact .

**** off.

Windows can essentially get infected in a drive-by way as a result of
nefarious javacript on certain websites. Neither Linux nor Mac OS
allows for such a thing. Anyone who believes that Windows Defender is
sufficient protection or that Windows doesn't need anti-malware is
just fooling himself.

Hi :-)

I'm still learning about such matters. Can you provide any specific
evidence that someone using OSX can *not* be 'infected' simply by
visiting a 'contaminated' web site or, maybe, by clicking on a link?

Your advice will be appreciated.

I'm not too familiar with Mac OS as much as I used to be when I used
it exclusively (back in 2003-2005) but as far as I know, any program
looking to compromise Mac OS would have to convince the user to enter
their password. That password is necessary for a program - whether
innocent or nefarious - to make any changes to the system software. In
Windows, it's just a matter of getting the user to click OK rather
than Cancel during an installation, something that most users seem to
do without a second thought. According to Microsoft, if people didn't
automatically click OK there, 94% of the malware wouldn't affect them
at all. The rest seem to take advantage of bugs which have been known
for a long time and remain unpatched by users, such as holes in Flash
software or long-ago-reported issues in Windows itself.


Many thanks for your thoughts on this Doomsdrzej. :-)

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Could have not said it better my self

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"Doomsdrzej" wrote in message
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On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 12:25:04 +0000, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Andy
wrote:

Say what you wish mac's can get viruses and malware just as easy as a pc.
It's a proven fact .

**** off.

Windows can essentially get infected in a drive-by way as a result of
nefarious javacript on certain websites. Neither Linux nor Mac OS
allows for such a thing. Anyone who believes that Windows Defender is
sufficient protection or that Windows doesn't need anti-malware is
just fooling himself.

On 2018-02-01 18:53, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Thu, 1 Feb 2018 15:19:24 -0500, Alan Browne
wrote:

On 2018-02-01 07:23, Andy wrote:
Say what you wish mac's can get viruses and malware just as easy as a pc.

Nowhere near as easily. Which is why, in the Mac world you hear about
"threats and vulnerabilities" but not many actual infections. When they
occur, it is at a small scale, quickly identified, easily remedied and
permanently sealed.

Not to say it's a non-issue. Since threats get identified and patched
on Mac OS. Usually long before exploitation can occur.

OTOH, I've run for a decade with no malware protection on my Macs (Mine,
several at work, SO's, son's). No infections at all. As a precaution I
run "Malwarebytes" once every few months. Never hit a thing.

Nobody could run a Windows PC for more than a few months in ordinary use
w/o getting infected. Never mind a decade over several machines.

For several years I have run McAfee, Super anti Spyware and Malware
Bytes on my W10 systems. I don't recall McAfee ever declaring that
it's found anything. Super anti Spyware occasionally finds something.
Malwarebytes regularly gets all concerned about utility files such as
Driver Detective. But I have had nothing serious as far as I know.

The first thing anti malware does is prevent the installation of
malware. In my W days, infected files were found regularly (for low
frequency values of regular). These were for the most part files
e-mailed to me but occasionally in distros of one sort or another. I
was glad to have the A/V s/w on any PC. My virtual PC's on my Macs all
have AVG or Avast.

Finding actual installed malware was much rarer - a 1 in few years sort
of thing - but did happen.

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On Fri, 2 Feb 2018 14:13:56 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
wrote:

In message Andy wrote:
I meant IOS11 in my orginal post and yes they are attacking it for some
reason.

People have been TRYING to attack iOS from the beginning. They've
failed. Then they crow about how they "infected" a jailbroken device
with malware installed by the user as if that's impressive.

MAC'S

I don't think you know what a MAC is. (Hint: it's not a Mac).

arnt going to be immune to viruses

The last Mac virus was in something like 1995 and was technically a
worm, not a virus. There are *non* macOS or OS X viruses. None. Nada.

There has been malware infecting Mac OS since then but it requires a
user to download a pirated application throught torrents. I don't
recall it being _contagious_ like a virus though.

You've been asked repeatedly to back up your claim of Mac viruses and
have failed to produce even a single one.

and malware attacks for ever to spite the denial by the mac camp

Everything that comes in contact with a human being is subject to
malware because people are stupid.

True.

On 2018-02-02, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Fri, 2 Feb 2018 14:13:56 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
wrote:

The last Mac virus was in something like 1995 and was technically a
worm, not a virus. There are *non* macOS or OS X viruses. None. Nada.

There has been malware infecting Mac OS since then but it requires a
user to download a pirated application throught torrents.

Those are trojans, and are not the same thing as a virus. So Lewis is
right.

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On 2 Feb 2018 21:54:14 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2018-02-02, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Fri, 2 Feb 2018 14:13:56 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
wrote:

The last Mac virus was in something like 1995 and was technically a
worm, not a virus. There are *non* macOS or OS X viruses. None. Nada.

There has been malware infecting Mac OS since then but it requires a
user to download a pirated application throught torrents.

Those are trojans, and are not the same thing as a virus. So Lewis is
right.

Most likely. I remember that it was some sort of malware but I wasn't
sure what kind it was.

On Fri, 2 Feb 2018 08:22:29 -0500, Alan Browne
wrote:

On 2018-02-01 18:53, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Thu, 1 Feb 2018 15:19:24 -0500, Alan Browne
wrote:

On 2018-02-01 07:23, Andy wrote:
Say what you wish mac's can get viruses and malware just as easy as a pc.

Nowhere near as easily. Which is why, in the Mac world you hear about
"threats and vulnerabilities" but not many actual infections. When they
occur, it is at a small scale, quickly identified, easily remedied and
permanently sealed.

Not to say it's a non-issue. Since threats get identified and patched
on Mac OS. Usually long before exploitation can occur.

OTOH, I've run for a decade with no malware protection on my Macs (Mine,
several at work, SO's, son's). No infections at all. As a precaution I
run "Malwarebytes" once every few months. Never hit a thing.

Nobody could run a Windows PC for more than a few months in ordinary use
w/o getting infected. Never mind a decade over several machines.

For several years I have run McAfee, Super anti Spyware and Malware
Bytes on my W10 systems. I don't recall McAfee ever declaring that
it's found anything. Super anti Spyware occasionally finds something.
Malwarebytes regularly gets all concerned about utility files such as
Driver Detective. But I have had nothing serious as far as I know.

The first thing anti malware does is prevent the installation of
malware. In my W days, infected files were found regularly (for low
frequency values of regular). These were for the most part files
e-mailed to me but occasionally in distros of one sort or another. I
was glad to have the A/V s/w on any PC. My virtual PC's on my Macs all
have AVG or Avast.

Finding actual installed malware was much rarer - a 1 in few years sort
of thing - but did happen.

After several years of running unprotected I found more than 120
unwanted items when I first installed Super anti Spyware and Malware
Bytes. I can't remember which package found most of it. That was some
years ago.
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Eric Stevens