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Old March 4th 18, 08:35 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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On 3/2/2018 3:04 PM, ultred ragnusen wrote:
nospam wrote:


Fraud is deliberate deception to secure unfair or unlawful
gain, or to deprive a victim of a legal right.

The readers will note that nospam has been told many times that fraud
contains /multiple/ elements, /all/ of which must be present for it to be
considered fraud.


altering an imei meets all of them.

(1) A material representation was made;


the altered imei.

(2) the representation was false;


the imei is not the original, therefore false.

(3) the speaker knew it was false;


it was knowingly altered.

(4) the speaker intended the other party should act upon it;


the other party being the cellular carrier.

(5) the party acted in reliance on the representation;


and they did, thinking you had a different phone than the one you
actually had.

(6) the party thereby suffered injury.


providing service to which you are not entitled.

fraud.


Remind me to use you as a defense lawyer who will say anything to get his
client off the hook, but at the same time, remind me not to suggest you as
a prosecutor, as they have to follow the rules of law.


So do good defense lawyers.
Now can we please get back to photography.

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Old March 4th 18, 08:44 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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On 3/2/2018 6:04 PM, ultred ragnusen wrote:
Wolffan wrote:

Fraud is deliberate deception to secure unfair or unlawful
gain, or to deprive a victim of a legal right.


The readers will note that nospam has been told many times that fraud
contains /multiple/ elements, /all/ of which must be present for it to be
considered fraud.

(1) A material representation was made;
(2) the representation was false;
(3) the speaker knew it was false;
(4) the speaker intended the other party should act upon it;
(5) the party acted in reliance on the representation;
(6) the party thereby suffered injury.
http://www.houston-opinions.com/law-fraud.html

Simply changing your IMEI isn't and never was fraud, and, even in the UK,
where it is an illegal act, it's only symbolic in that the law is almost
completely never enforced in the dozen years it has been in existence (and
it was never intended to be enforced because it was clearly stated to
simply "send a message" by the originators themselves).


In the US, it may very well be fraud, however, I will not go into the
details, as to why, because that is off topic.
As I said earlier, get back to photography. I suspect that the The vast
majority here do not want to listen to you commenting on what kind of a
person nospam, or anyone else is. That applies to nospam's responses
claiming what kind of a person you, are.


Nonetheless, nospam, because of the strange way his mind works, has no
concept of privacy, where he thinks every action anyone takes is to cause
someone harm and yet - when Apple causes harm - he defends Apple's actions
with his very life.

Odd chap that nospam seems to be.



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  #93  
Old March 6th 18, 10:05 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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In article ,
ultred ragnusen writes:
Barry Margolin wrote:


Yet another good reason to use a dumb flip phone.

definitely not. those are *far* easier to crack. they aren't even
encrypted.


But you probably don't have much incriminating data on it in the first
place.


I agree with the sentiment to not /put/ incriminating data on a phone,
where a dumb phone will naturally contain far less automatically generating
data in the first place.

But I bring up the sentiment that anyone who thinks /any/ phone is /safe/
is a fool, because, for a criminal anyway, the biggest incrimination is
simply the ping to the cellular tower that makes a cell phone work as a
cell phone.

Those who /feel/ safer with brand X phones versus brand Y phones because
the marketing of brand X is better than brand Y, I posit, are fools,
because the weakest set of links of all cell phones are the same.


The weakest part of any device is the wetware - the person operating it.
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Old March 7th 18, 12:45 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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On 06/03/2018 21:05, Richard L. Hamilton wrote:
In article ,
ultred ragnusen writes:
Barry Margolin wrote:


Yet another good reason to use a dumb flip phone.

definitely not. those are *far* easier to crack. they aren't even
encrypted.

But you probably don't have much incriminating data on it in the first
place.


I agree with the sentiment to not /put/ incriminating data on a phone,
where a dumb phone will naturally contain far less automatically generating
data in the first place.

But I bring up the sentiment that anyone who thinks /any/ phone is /safe/
is a fool, because, for a criminal anyway, the biggest incrimination is
simply the ping to the cellular tower that makes a cell phone work as a
cell phone.

Those who /feel/ safer with brand X phones versus brand Y phones because
the marketing of brand X is better than brand Y, I posit, are fools,
because the weakest set of links of all cell phones are the same.


The weakest part of any device is the wetware - the person operating it.


True!

Listen he https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhZv3QjmbdA

Enjoy! :-)

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Old March 8th 18, 10:43 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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On 07/03/2018 11:45, David_B wrote:
On 06/03/2018 21:05, Richard L. Hamilton wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â*Â*ultred ragnusen writes:
Barry Margolin wrote:


Yet another good reason to use a dumb flip phone.

definitely not. those are *far* easier to crack. they aren't even
encrypted.

But you probably don't have much incriminating data on it in the first
place.

I agree with the sentiment to not /put/ incriminating data on a phone,
where a dumb phone will naturally contain far less automatically
generating
data in the first place.

But I bring up the sentiment that anyone who thinks /any/ phone is
/safe/
is a fool, because, for a criminal anyway, the biggest incrimination is
simply the ping to the cellular tower that makes a cell phone work as a
cell phone.

Those who /feel/ safer with brand X phones versus brand Y phones because
the marketing of brand X is better than brand Y, I posit, are fools,
because the weakest set of links of all cell phones are the same.


The weakest part of any device is the wetware - the person operating it.


True!

Listen heÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhZv3QjmbdA

Enjoy!Â* :-)


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Old March 23rd 18, 06:07 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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Eric Stevens
Sat, 03 Mar 2018
03:36:14 GMT in rec.photo.digital, wrote:

On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 21:44:36 -0000 (UTC), Diesel
wrote:

David_B
Thu, 01 Mar 2018 07:40:06 GMT in
rec.photo.digital, wrote:

The point, I'm sure, is that *NO* 'phone is 'safe' from the eyes
and ears of those who are tasked to monitor us.


Not true.


I think it is true.

The first piece of information which can be gained from a phone is
that it exists.

The next is the when and where of its existence.

Who it communicates with (or vice versa) is another piece of
information.


I don't dispute the information listed is available, but, that
doesn't mean your phone and/or it's contents is an open book either.
Yours might be, you don't seem to take serious interest in it, but
don't assume everyones phone is friendly to strangers. As, they
aren't all. Mine for example wouldn't provide you much useful data
aside from logistics, and, I can mess with those stats too.. so...



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Old March 23rd 18, 06:07 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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ultred ragnusen
Fri, 02 Mar 2018
22:27:16 GMT in rec.photo.digital, wrote:

Diesel wrote:

*sigh*. Now I know you're bull****ting your actual knowledge on
this subject. Provide valid peer review articles from crypto
related circles indicating that all known ciphers have been
broken, or, i'm going to have to dismiss you outright as some
useless twit script kiddie cypher wannabe expert that you now
appear to be.


I already cited the historical context for the basis of that
statement, where you really need to ask Rommel how he was able to
read /evertyhing/ the American embassy in Cairo sent to Roosevelt
about the British preparations in Lybia & Egypt.

Rommel was a Desert Fox because he had in his hands what others
thought was safely locked away.

Also witness Donets' dismay when he finally found out that the
Enigma machines were reproducing his naval communications faster
than he could.

Likewise with the Japanese when Roosevelt had part 14 of the
declaration of war translated and in his hands before the Japanese
diplomats were able to translate it for Hull.

There are two ways around /every/ cipher.


You've posted NOTHING which contradicts what I wrote. You clearly
don't have any first hand knowledge of the world of cyphers. You
erroneously assume all cyphers can be broken with current
technologies, and, that's just not mathematically true.




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Old March 23rd 18, 06:07 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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David_B
Sat, 03 Mar 2018 17:20:01 GMT in
rec.photo.digital, wrote:

On 02/03/2018 21:44, Diesel wrote:
David_B
Wed, 28 Feb 2018 08:50:53
GMT in rec.photo.digital, wrote:

FYI ...... (I didn't know either! ;-) )


If you spent less time stalking people, you'd have time to keep
uptodate on more important matters. Such as your iphone being
0wned by a 3rd party if some people with very deep pockets
believe you have something of value on it.


Don't sweat the 'small stuff'! ;-)


I don't. However, your need to stalk and dox people isn't what I
consider to be small stuff. Intentionally copyright infringing others
property isn't small stuff, either. And, attempting to file false
police reports against another person isn't exactly small stuff,
either. You're guilty of doing ALL of the above on more than one
occasion. Going so far as to try and solicit help for stalking on
this very newsgroup!

MID:
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=149456200100


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Old March 23rd 18, 06:07 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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ultred ragnusen news:1gacqhqsi3bfv
Sat, 03 Mar 2018 19:23:37 GMT in
rec.photo.digital, wrote:

Diesel wrote:

I'm hoping for an interesting and educational discussion since you
brought up the subject of cracking. I do hope I'll find that you
actually know WTF you're writing about, and not just tossing words
out there that you think gives others the impression you have
knowledge of the subject.


Did you even /look/ at the links I already provided on that

subject?


I'm very familiar with the history of crypto. It's been a passion of
mine since I was of single digit age. You are essentially writing
from your arse concerning the subject. You've seen one too many
movies.

Not all Cyphers have backdoors and some are so resistant to brute
forcing, it would take far more than your lifetime to succeed.

Some cyphers are setup in such a way that if you don't have the
decryption key, you are not going to be reviewing the encrypted
material in your lifetime. It's math.

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Old March 24th 18, 12:02 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 17:07:52 -0000 (UTC), Diesel
wrote:

Eric Stevens
Sat, 03 Mar 2018
03:36:14 GMT in rec.photo.digital, wrote:

On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 21:44:36 -0000 (UTC), Diesel
wrote:

David_B
Thu, 01 Mar 2018 07:40:06 GMT in
rec.photo.digital, wrote:

The point, I'm sure, is that *NO* 'phone is 'safe' from the eyes
and ears of those who are tasked to monitor us.

Not true.


I think it is true.

The first piece of information which can be gained from a phone is
that it exists.

The next is the when and where of its existence.

Who it communicates with (or vice versa) is another piece of
information.


I don't dispute the information listed is available, but, that
doesn't mean your phone and/or it's contents is an open book either.
Yours might be, you don't seem to take serious interest in it, but
don't assume everyones phone is friendly to strangers. As, they
aren't all. Mine for example wouldn't provide you much useful data
aside from logistics, and, I can mess with those stats too.. so...


My point is that deciphering what is in the phone is only one part of
the information which gan be gathered from the phone. A great deal of
useful information can be garnered without cracking the code. The more
messages that are intercepted the more deductions can be made.
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