A question for Applefans

In article , Andreas Skitsnack wrote:

My iPhone and iPad are charged using a plug and cable combination.
Each uses a different cable with a different-size fitting that plugs
into the device. Both style cables use the same wall-plug device.

What is the reason for the two different fittings? Both are
obtaining and converting power from the same wall plug.

It seems to me that Apple is just doing the printer ink scam and
adding an extra product to sell when replacements are needed.

Apple introduced the Dock connector in 2003 and replaced it with the Lightning
connector in 2012. There has been exactly one change in the entire history of
proprietary connectors for handheld units for Apple.

Some people have products from before and after this switch, and thus need two
different connectors. Luckily, there is a small adapter available which you can
use on your Dock connector (the large flat one= to make it charge a Lightning
connector device, so no need for more cables or chargers.

Only to someone wanting to start an argument or someone very ignorant, is this a
"scam".

So why the change? Well, the Lightning connector is smaller which means it was
important so that devices could be thinner and smaller as well. It's also a lot
more intelligent and more versatile as connectors goes. Also, it's one of the
very first data connectors you can insert either way up, which is also a nice
bonus.

Contrast this to any other mobile phone maker out there, that has changed
connector a multitude of times over their entire product range over the years and
we have yet another case of a person complaining about something Apple does that
in the end, Apple has done a lot better than any of the alternative vendors.

--
Sandman

On 10/09/2015 11:16, Sandman wrote:
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Contrast this to any other mobile phone maker out there, that has changed
connector a multitude of times over their entire product range over the years and
we have yet another case of a person complaining about something Apple does that
in the end, Apple has done a lot better than any of the alternative vendors.

Within Europe, the micro USB is the standard connector for mobile
phones, the Kindle, and many tablets too. Means you only need one
charger and one lead type. One of the better decisions our politicians
made.

The only non-compliant company is .... Apple.

--
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

In article , David Taylor
wrote:

Within Europe, the micro USB is the standard connector for mobile
phones, the Kindle, and many tablets too. Means you only need one
charger and one lead type. One of the better decisions our politicians
made.

The only non-compliant company is .... Apple.

apple is fully compliant with european laws.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

So why the change? Well, the Lightning connector is smaller which means it
was
important so that devices could be thinner and smaller as well. It's also a
lot
more intelligent and more versatile as connectors goes. Also, it's one of
the
very first data connectors you can insert either way up, which is also a
nice
bonus.

Contrast this to any other mobile phone maker out there, that has changed
connector a multitude of times over their entire product range over the
years and
we have yet another case of a person complaining about something Apple does
that
in the end, Apple has done a lot better than any of the alternative vendors.

Not at all a comparable argument. Apple has two products - iPhone and
iPad - that take similar charging systems. My iPhone and iPad do not
use the same cord, but do use the same device that plugs into the
wall.

only because you bought them around the time apple changed connectors,
and also because you did no research on the product you were buying.

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

Not at all a comparable argument. Apple has two products - iPhone and
iPad - that take similar charging systems. My iPhone and iPad do not
use the same cord, but do use the same device that plugs into the
wall.

only because you bought them around the time apple changed connectors,
and also because you did no research on the product you were buying.

What? What kind of nonsense is this? The two cords have different
ends, but not at all because I did no research. That had nothing to
do with it. The cords would have had different ends no matter what
amount of research I did.

had you done any research at all, you'd have known that apple had
recently switched connectors and that you were buying 'last year's
model'.

as i recall, you bought the 4s not when it just came out and there was
no other choice, but *after* the 5 came out, and if i'm not mistaken,
the 5s as well.

What would have made the difference is when I purchased the two items.
The only way to avoid the difference would have been to delay the
purchase of one until the cord-ends were the same. Research had
nothing to do with it. All research would have done is reveal that
the ends were different, not changed things.

wrong.

as i said, the 5 and likely 5s were available at that time you bought
your 4s, which means there was no need to delay anything.

you would also have had a much better device that would last a lot
longer.

You do come up with the most ridiculous reasoning ever seen.

that applies to you.

you're trying to justify making a poor and uninformed choice, even
going so far as to call it a scam to sell more cables.

On 2015-09-10 06:44, David Taylor wrote:

Within Europe, the micro USB is the standard connector for mobile
phones, the Kindle, and many tablets too. Means you only need one
charger and one lead type. One of the better decisions our politicians
made.

The only non-compliant company is .... Apple.

So Europeans are stuck with the limitations of micro-USB?

Brilliant. But wrong.

The truth is that Apple breaks no European laws, yet sells millions of
iPhones, iPads and iPods in Europe with their lightning connector and
few in Europe bitch about it because they want the Apple products more
than they want last decade's connector.

In article , Alan Browne
wrote:

Within Europe, the micro USB is the standard connector for mobile
phones, the Kindle, and many tablets too. Means you only need one
charger and one lead type. One of the better decisions our politicians
made.

The only non-compliant company is .... Apple.

So Europeans are stuck with the limitations of micro-USB?

Brilliant. But wrong.

The truth is that Apple breaks no European laws, yet sells millions of
iPhones, iPads and iPods in Europe with their lightning connector and
few in Europe bitch about it because they want the Apple products more
than they want last decade's connector.

micro usb is not particularly wonderful, but the real mess is micro
usb3. who the hell thought that was a good design?? it's one of the the
worst connectors ever foisted upon the masses, it's that bad.

On 11/09/2015 18:54, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2015-09-10 06:44, David Taylor wrote:

Within Europe, the micro USB is the standard connector for mobile
phones, the Kindle, and many tablets too. Means you only need one
charger and one lead type. One of the better decisions our politicians
made.

The only non-compliant company is .... Apple.

So Europeans are stuck with the limitations of micro-USB?

Brilliant. But wrong.

The truth is that Apple breaks no European laws, yet sells millions of
iPhones, iPads and iPods in Europe with their lightning connector and
few in Europe bitch about it because they want the Apple products more
than they want last decade's connector.

Seems better to me that I don't need to buy a new charger with each new
phone, and I can take fewer chargers with me on a trip. The majority,
at least, can benefit.

Yes, there are some advantages to the Apple connector, but doubtless
that will change once again, as will USB too!

--
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

In article , David Taylor
wrote:

Within Europe, the micro USB is the standard connector for mobile
phones, the Kindle, and many tablets too. Means you only need one
charger and one lead type. One of the better decisions our politicians
made.

The only non-compliant company is .... Apple.

So Europeans are stuck with the limitations of micro-USB?

Brilliant. But wrong.

The truth is that Apple breaks no European laws, yet sells millions of
iPhones, iPads and iPods in Europe with their lightning connector and
few in Europe bitch about it because they want the Apple products more
than they want last decade's connector.

Seems better to me that I don't need to buy a new charger with each new
phone, and I can take fewer chargers with me on a trip. The majority,
at least, can benefit.

except that you need *several* cables (not chargers - those are the
same).

other phones used the following: various proprietary power connectors,
a supposedly standard thin barrel connector, mini usb, micro usb, micro
usb 3 and now usb-c.

that's at least *six* connectors in less than ten years.

Yes, there are some advantages to the Apple connector,

the biggest advantage of lightning is that it can adapt to future
changes because each of its pins can be dynamically reconfigured.

but doubtless
that will change once again,

not anytime soon it won't. the dock connector lasted ten years.
lightning should last a similar amount of time.

as will USB too!

it already has - usb-c.

On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 13:54:14 -0400, Alan Browne
wrote:

On 2015-09-10 06:44, David Taylor wrote:

Within Europe, the micro USB is the standard connector for mobile
phones, the Kindle, and many tablets too. Means you only need one
charger and one lead type. One of the better decisions our politicians
made.

The only non-compliant company is .... Apple.

So Europeans are stuck with the limitations of micro-USB?

Brilliant. But wrong.

The truth is that Apple breaks no European laws, yet sells millions of
iPhones, iPads and iPods in Europe with their lightning connector and
few in Europe bitch about it because they want the Apple products more
than they want last decade's connector.

I suspect that one reason may be that Apple devices do not actually
have a USB connection. The handling of USB is dealt with by the
Lightning plug which is on the end of the cable. What is on the end of
the Apple device is not a USB connection but a Lightning connection.
This is not a quibble over different connectors as there are
electronic components inside the lightning plug which convert the
signal from USB specs to Lightning specs. The same situation applies
to the old dock-connector.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens