Windows 10 Experience

On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 14:47:32 -0700, Bill W
wrote:

On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 17:34:50 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Bill W
wrote:

I have an OKI C5600 printer on my home network. The two computers
which connect to it run Windows 10 and XP. The most uptodate driver
available for the printer is Windows 8.1. It's printing of Windows 10
but won't accept anything from XP. I suspect the problem is a clash of
network security policies but so far I haven't been able to find any
user interface for this in W10. Frustrating.

Is the XP computer looking for the wrong printer IP address, because
it changed?

it's not hard to find devices on a network, regardless of ip address.

If he set up a static IP for the printer, and the printer is connected
directly to the network, not one of the computers, and the IP changed,
I don't think the XP computer can find it. I'm basing this on my
experience with PC's with static IP's, but I think it would also apply
to printers. And I did admittedly leave the static part out of my
first reply.

But then we have Work Groups and Home Groups and ...
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 20:51:35 -0400, Tony Cooper
wrote:

On Tue, 01 Sep 2015 09:10:08 +1200, Eric Stevens
wrote:

On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 11:34:15 -0400, Tony Cooper
wrote:

Over the weekend I upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10. It's a
painless experience and went without a hitch. All my apps carried
over and opened OK.

However, went I tried to use the Develop module in Lightroom, and
tried to edit in CC 2015, things hung up with that "Not responding"
message. Every time. The Library module in LR worked fine.

I did some web sleuthing and found this a fairly common problem and is
usually a problem with the graphics card drivers. I tried some fixes,
but nothing eliminated the problem.

I don't know what hardware you are using but if you are coming from
far behind, I can heartily recommend (a) getting all your drivers
(including BIOS) uptodate and (b) using Driver Detective
http://www.drivershq.com/ (it won't do the BIOS).

Don't be a nospam. I didn't say my problem is a driver problem. I
said my web sleuthing indicates that some people converting to W-10
may have a driver problem. I may or may not be in that group.

I did say "If..."

Since I have no problem using W-7, and have no interest in using W-10,
whatever the problem is is not of concern to me.

The problem may have been something else entirely. Since I don't have
any further interest in W-10, I have no interest in checking further.

There's nothing wrong with W-10 that I saw. I just didn't see
anything good enough about it to expend any further time or effort.

My interest is not having the latest shiny object.

I was intending to wait for about a year (as I did with XP) but I was
more or less forced into it when I thought that might have been at the
heart of my problem with Spyder. Well, I'm there now and here I think
I will stay. The biggest disadvantage that I have got is the absence
of a decent manual (the one I want is coming late September).


Overall, I saw nothing special about Windows 10. There are some
differences in the Desktop that take a little getting used to, but no
particular advantages that I could determine.

Cortana works OK, and voice-opened apps and searched pretty well. That
"feature" doesn't ring my bell, though. I feel silly talking to the
machine when I can get where I want to go just as easily using my
fingers on the keyboard or using the mouse. I suppose I'm a primitive
cave dweller.

I went back Windows 7. That went well also. No hitches at all, and
everything is now back as it was. PS and LR work a treat.

I'm not anti-10, but I have no further interest in the upgrade. I
suppose I'll have to accept 10 if and when I buy a new computer, but
that computer will assumedly have the right graphics card drivers.

Just to be clear, I *think* it was a graphics card driver but never
really determined that this was the problem with LR and PS, or that
this was the only problem. I didn't bother to re-install either app.
Because 10 was nothing special otherwise, I didn't pursue a solution
beyond a few steps.

I have an OKI C5600 printer on my home network. The two computers
which connect to it run Windows 10 and XP. The most uptodate driver
available for the printer is Windows 8.1. It's printing of Windows 10
but won't accept anything from XP. I suspect the problem is a clash of
network security policies but so far I haven't been able to find any
user interface for this in W10. Frustrating.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 20:51:35 -0400, Tony Cooper
wrote:

My interest is not having the latest shiny object.

This is a reliable sign of serious mental illness. No one here can
help you with that, but I'm willing to bet we can make it worse.

On Tue, 01 Sep 2015 00:06:09 -0400, Tony Cooper
wrote:

I was intending to wait for about a year (as I did with XP) but I was
more or less forced into it when I thought that might have been at the
heart of my problem with Spyder. Well, I'm there now and here I think
I will stay. The biggest disadvantage that I have got is the absence
of a decent manual (the one I want is coming late September).

Do you find any advantages in W-10 other than the Spyder issue being
cleared up?

Did I miss anything?


In some ways it's a tidier interface.

In other ways it's different and hence harder to find what you want.

I suspect it's a different face on same old same old.

I still like it (I think).
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 22:35:11 -0700, Bill W
wrote:

On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 20:51:35 -0400, Tony Cooper
wrote:

My interest is not having the latest shiny object.

This is a reliable sign of serious mental illness. No one here can
help you with that, but I'm willing to bet we can make it worse.

My experience is that having the latest shiny object is likely to
induce a serious mental illness.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

Do you find any advantages in W-10 other than the Spyder issue being
cleared up?

Did I miss anything?

In some ways it's a tidier interface.

In other ways it's different and hence harder to find what you want.

I suspect it's a different face on same old same old.

there are a lot of under the hood changes that are good.

one very useful feature is once a system is activated, that machine is
activated forever. that means there is no need to worry about an
activation key anymore. you can reformat the drive and do a clean
install and it will be activated automatically.

I still like it (I think).

overall it's fine.

some people whine because they like to complain. it happens with any
new system, whether it's mac, windows, android or whatever else.

On 8/31/2015 11:57 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 20:51:35 -0400, Tony Cooper
wrote:

On Tue, 01 Sep 2015 09:10:08 +1200, Eric Stevens
wrote:

On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 11:34:15 -0400, Tony Cooper
wrote:

Over the weekend I upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10. It's a
painless experience and went without a hitch. All my apps carried
over and opened OK.

However, went I tried to use the Develop module in Lightroom, and
tried to edit in CC 2015, things hung up with that "Not responding"
message. Every time. The Library module in LR worked fine.

I did some web sleuthing and found this a fairly common problem and is
usually a problem with the graphics card drivers. I tried some fixes,
but nothing eliminated the problem.

I don't know what hardware you are using but if you are coming from
far behind, I can heartily recommend (a) getting all your drivers
(including BIOS) uptodate and (b) using Driver Detective
http://www.drivershq.com/ (it won't do the BIOS).

Don't be a nospam. I didn't say my problem is a driver problem. I
said my web sleuthing indicates that some people converting to W-10
may have a driver problem. I may or may not be in that group.

I did say "If..."

Since I have no problem using W-7, and have no interest in using W-10,
whatever the problem is is not of concern to me.

The problem may have been something else entirely. Since I don't have
any further interest in W-10, I have no interest in checking further.

There's nothing wrong with W-10 that I saw. I just didn't see
anything good enough about it to expend any further time or effort.

My interest is not having the latest shiny object.

I was intending to wait for about a year (as I did with XP) but I was
more or less forced into it when I thought that might have been at the
heart of my problem with Spyder. Well, I'm there now and here I think
I will stay. The biggest disadvantage that I have got is the absence
of a decent manual (the one I want is coming late September).

It's no fun if you RTFM



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PeterN

On 9/1/2015 4:41 AM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Tue, 01 Sep 2015 00:06:09 -0400, Tony Cooper
wrote:

I was intending to wait for about a year (as I did with XP) but I was
more or less forced into it when I thought that might have been at the
heart of my problem with Spyder. Well, I'm there now and here I think
I will stay. The biggest disadvantage that I have got is the absence
of a decent manual (the one I want is coming late September).

Do you find any advantages in W-10 other than the Spyder issue being
cleared up?

Did I miss anything?


In some ways it's a tidier interface.

In other ways it's different and hence harder to find what you want.

I suspect it's a different face on same old same old.

I still like it (I think).


I like my Windows background color a light tan. When I looked at a demo
of Win10, nobody could show me how to get into the advanced
personalization settings, to change the color. Yes I know i can
personalize that setting for some of the apps I use, but doing them one
at a time is a real PITA.

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PeterN

On 9/1/2015 1:35 AM, Bill W wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 20:51:35 -0400, Tony Cooper
wrote:

My interest is not having the latest shiny object.

This is a reliable sign of serious mental illness. No one here can
help you with that, but I'm willing to bet we can make it worse.


I have a friend who MUST have the latest widget. He has three apple
watches, IIRC one of them has the titanium band.
Now there are Smart watches with no phone required.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/more-gadgets/Smar****ches-you-can-use-without-a-phone/articleshow/46287285.cms



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PeterN

On 8/31/2015 11:49 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 14:47:32 -0700, Bill W
wrote:

On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 17:34:50 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Bill W
wrote:

I have an OKI C5600 printer on my home network. The two computers
which connect to it run Windows 10 and XP. The most uptodate driver
available for the printer is Windows 8.1. It's printing of Windows 10
but won't accept anything from XP. I suspect the problem is a clash of
network security policies but so far I haven't been able to find any
user interface for this in W10. Frustrating.

Is the XP computer looking for the wrong printer IP address, because
it changed?

it's not hard to find devices on a network, regardless of ip address.

If he set up a static IP for the printer, and the printer is connected
directly to the network, not one of the computers, and the IP changed,
I don't think the XP computer can find it. I'm basing this on my
experience with PC's with static IP's, but I think it would also apply
to printers. And I did admittedly leave the static part out of my
first reply.

But then we have Work Groups and Home Groups and ...


Home Groups and Work Groups can be thought of as simply a layer of
security. (I have little doubt that he who shall not be named will
But why get into all that, at all. Unless there is a reason not to,
simply use DHCP.



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PeterN