Different Formats for Different Countries -- Variable Density B&W Film

On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 20:51:03 +0000 (UTC), (Geoffrey
S. Mendelson) wrote:

It is the fourth largest (just slipped from third) place
for high tech investment in the world. Considering the top three are
parts of the U.S., it's the second far ahead of England, Erie, the E.U.
(combined), Japan, China (either or both) and India.

Best doggone processors in the world designed in Israel ! Yonah.

==
John S. Douglas
Photographer & Webmaster
Legacy-photo.com - Xs750.net

Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
j wrote:
Funny, but when manufacturers here were told they had to have
directions/content lists in two languages, one English, they chose
French. There is a political message there.

Since you did not specify where "here" is, I'll assume that you were
speaking about the U.S. The reason for choosing French as a second
language is that a large portion of the Canadian population speaks
French.

Nope. That's not the case. It is political. When told that they had to have
a second language, they chose something other than Spanish/Mexican. It's a
Big Deal here, this second language political thing.

FWIW, the largest part of family is Canuck; they all speak English. No need
for French with commerce. (My greatest grandfather was on Champlain's ship,
stayed in Canada (now Quebec), married a pan-american and here we are
today.)

John wrote:
On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 20:51:03 +0000 (UTC), (Geoffrey
S. Mendelson) wrote:

It is the fourth largest (just slipped from third) place
for high tech investment in the world. Considering the top three are
parts of the U.S., it's the second far ahead of England, Erie, the E.U.
(combined), Japan, China (either or both) and India.

Best doggone processors in the world designed in Israel ! Yonah.

You mean the ones that got Intel back into a competitive stance
with AMD? Yup, it's impressive what the Intel Israel team did,
and I saw it coming with the previous Pentium M designs from
which Core and Core 2 sprang. Without Core 2, it was a one-horse
race among x64 CPUs; now, 1- and 2-socket systems have real
competition again, which is healthy for everyone.

Larger systems, anything over 2 sockets, are still dominated
by a single option, though, and it'll be a while before Intel
can effectively play there.

Dana

Ken Hart wrote:
"scenic_man" wrote in message
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QUICK: What's the next standard drill size down from 13/64" ?
The next one down the line in my box of drill bits.

Do you mean the next actual drill bit, or the next empty hole where there's
_supposed_ to be a drill bit?! (Where the hell is that 3/16" bit?!)

Er, no, where bit is supposed to be. Some people put there bits back in
the organizer.
OTOH, there are plenty of people who don't need organizers,
and would just say "Oh, the next size smaller? It's under the red rag,
next to the 11/16" box-open-end wrench."

BTW, in a 1/64" bit set (which I assume because the question asks the next
size expressed as X/64"), the next size down from 13/64" would be 12/64".
However, we do the math, and find that 12/64" equals 6/32" which equals
3/16".

Well, *some* of us do the math. I'm one of those that has to,
because I don't use those tools often enough these days.
But when I did (when I worked on my own car (an original Beetle)),
I just *knew* what wrench was smaller or larger and would fit.
Interestingly, my relatively small collection of "English" wrenches
would fit
not only the "English" (well, they *were* English, then) nuts and bolts
but the metric ones as well -- but very few of the metric wrenches
were good for anything but the exact size they were.


Now where the hell is that chuck key?!

On it's tether to the drill cord! :-)

j wrote:
scenic_man wrote:
QUICK: What's the next standard drill size down from 13/64" ?
The next one down the line in my box of drill bits.

Only if you have a complete lettered and numbered set.

Well, that's one way to do it.
Or have a complete set and just be awake when using it.
It's not rocket science.
It requires a miniscule portion of my brain to keep track of these things.
If I *need* to figure it out, say for a pop quiz, I can figure it out,
because I learned how to multiply and divide by two in 3rd and 4th grade,
and learned how to add and subtract in 1st and 2nd grade.

j wrote:
scenic_man wrote:
Eventually, all those English (well, Amurricane) units will disappear
from your equipment,
to be replaced by everything written in *six* languages,
as they do in the civilized parts of the world.

Funny, but when manufacturers here were told they had to have
directions/content lists in two languages, one English, they chose French.
There is a political message there.

Probably.
Why were mfrs told to use English at all?
And why only two languages, when there are so many others?
And what was the political message in choosing French over, say, Italian
or German?

Nope. That's not the case. It is political. When told that they had to have
a second language, they chose something other than Spanish/Mexican. It's a
Big Deal here, this second language political thing.

It's certainly a big deal in the US (too?).

Given my ancestry, I too would prefer French if we had to have a second
language.
However, noboody's asking me. If things are labeled in exactly two
languages
around here, it's English and Spanish (or English and Portuguese).
But, in my rather narrow experience outside the US,
labeling everything in *six* languages is the rule --
English, French, Spanish, German, Italian, and ???. (I forget now.)

FWIW, the largest part of family is Canuck; they all speak English. No need
for French with commerce. (My greatest grandfather was on Champlain's ship,
stayed in Canada (now Quebec), married a pan-american and here we are
today.)

Yawell. My father came to the US straight from Paris in 1918.
Was France using metric at that point? Bet they were --
they even tried a decimal *week* at one point.
Anyway, in all my life, I never *once* heard him bemoan the use of
non-metric measures.
Also, he had no use for bilingualism.
He spoke French with his sisters, and over the phone with a friend in
France,
but that was it.

"Ken Hart" wrote in message
...

Now where the hell is that chuck key?!

In love. Sorry, bad joke. (Apologies to Rickie Lee Jones).

rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com

In article ,
rafe b wrote:

"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
rs.com...

I challenge you to find any business in the US, any office, that *doesn't*
use 8-1/2" x 11" paper in their office printers, for correspondence,
billing, etc. I have *never* seen anyone here who uses A4. It's a
virtually unknown paper size here. Where are you getting your information?


We're in the business of developing printers and MFPs
for outfits like Canon, Lexmark, Dell, KM, et. al. We
have to keep all of the metric paper sizes in stock. Next
to LTR, A4 is the most popular size around our office.
Our OEMs and ODMs in Asia do most of their testing
on A4.

Like I said -- A4 comes in real handy for printing any
image in a 2:3 aspect ratio. Much better than LTR.
(LTR=Letter size=8.5x11")

A4 is "unknown" to most Americans because Americans
choose to be ignorant about the rest of the world.

Do you really need the qualifie 'about the rest of the world' :-)

Bill

--
Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com

Chris Hills wrote:

Only in the USA. out side the US it is IMPOSSIBLE to get. However A4 is
available EVERYWHERE in the world including in the USA. Because it is
the world wide standard most printers in tjhe US can get it and most
large stationers can also get it.

Not impossible, there are a very few places that stock it, at a price,
mainly seems to be used by people submitting film scripts
(apppropriately for this group). I have a couple of reams of Letter,
and one of Legal for odd things that won't fit on A4; I brought it back
with me from Staples near Pavonia Newport HBLR station in NJ. I need a
few three-ring binders for documentation supplied in that format, but I
can't find them anywhere over here. Our two-hole at 8 cm centres
system is bad, and allows the pages to move about too much, tearing the
holes; I always use four-hole ones.

Our 'office' apers used to be Quarto, which was 10"x8", and Foolscap,
which was 8"x13", though both names were also used for different sizes
of other types of papers. There was also briefly a 'Metric Quarto',
which was 10"x8.25". Just to confuse things even more there was
'American Quarto', which to the best of my knowledge was never used in
America, but was 10"x8.5"; English Quarto length and American Letter
width. Thee different 'Quartos for the same types of papers; utter
nonsense. These sizes went out of use in most offices over thirty
years ago. Where my mother worked in 1970 they were in the process of
changing over, and about 75% of work was on A4 or A5. The old sizes
remained available for many years, but were little used.

Computer printers and copy machinces no longer care, the feed trays
are "universal".

And therefore need moving parts that make them more expensive, work
loose, get set to the wrong position so the paper goes in on the skew
and jams etc. I'm always adjusting side guides on paper trays that
have moved out too wide for A4.

So what. The universal paper sizes are the ISO A series. There will
come a time when printer manufacturers won't bother with catering for
the no-standard US sizes. Parts of the US use the A series anyway.

The US is probably a big enough market that they will continue to
support them for as long as the US chooses to use them. I just wish
the US would do themselves, as well as everybody else, a favour, and
use what are to everybody else the standard sizes.

I did see some soft drinks in America sold in metric size bottles, with
a conversion to an odd number of quarts or whatever. Having drunk them
you might find yourself in need of a urinal made by American Standard.
They are a bit odd, they're marked '3.8 lpf/1gpf' or something very
similar, with the metric first, but the gallon as the round number.
Another reason to do away with gallons; which type are you talking
about, American ones or Imperial ones? I haven't used them for some
time, but to me a gallon was about 4.5 litres.