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25 Reasons to Choose a P&S Camera Instead Of an Overpriced DSLR (minor typo corrections)
"Carl_Devonston" wrote in message ... On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:26:30 -0500, "B?wser" wrote: Wow. Thanks to this post, I expect to see all those big white and black lenses at the football games, PJ events, etc start to disappear and soon! Now that they know that a simple P&S will do a better job at capturing pro football than their silly SLRs, why would they keep them? As they improve and as more people realize how much more efficient they are for all purposes, then yes you will see D/SLRs disappear. Just as you saw all view-cameras disappear nearly a century ago at all major events. Get it? If not, then perhaps you should stand in the bleachers at the next sporting event holding a view-camera on a heavy wooden tripod, with your flash-powder tray in the other hand, both lofted high above your head. Then maybe you'll begin to understand why it's only a matter of time, maybe only a couple years, before your beloved, though ancient, D/SLR designs completely disappear from common usage. Get it yet? Actually, if you were using such a rig (view camera/tripod/flash-powder), you could get a photo of truly amazing quality. It would completely depend on your personal talent and skill, including an intimate knowledge of the sport in question, so that you could predict where the action is likely to be. You just wouldn't be able to shoot 30 frames per second, hoping that one of them might be a winner. I frequently shot football games from the sidelines with a KoniOmega 6x7 and a potato-masher strobe. The trick is very simple: pre-focus on the near hash-mark, and wait for the action to cross that point. |
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25 Reasons to Choose a P&S Camera Instead Of an Overpriced DSLR (minor typo corrections)
On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:08:22 GMT, Steve wrote:
Hell, you may even see electronic shutters although those compromise image quality so maybe not. But if they can figure out how to do them without compromising image quality, then why not? Where on earth did you get this nonsense? They already have them in P&S cameras that don't compromise anything in image quality. High-speed full-frame captures up to 1/40,000 of a second without any scanned bands of the sensor being read off the chip, as used to exist in all DSLR electronics. See this photo for DSLR sensor readout technology at work with high-speed objects. http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/ch...ut_anomaly.jpg It's not bad enough that focal-plane shutters have their own image-distorting problems, but many of their sensors have this problem too. The curved bars are the propeller being slowly scanned electronically in horizontal banks across the sensor. That doesn't happen in any P&S cameras (that I know of). You people invent the silliest things to perpetuate on the net. No doubt due to your experiences with the lame electronic architecture and hardware of your DSLRs. You need to get out more and get away from that ancient camera design. I wonder what other technology you're going to steal from P&S cameras to try to make your DSLRs fully functional one day. |
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25 Reasons to Choose a P&S Camera Instead Of an Overpriced DSLR (minor typo corrections)
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:33:35 -0500, B?wser wrote:
"tony cooper" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:46:12 -0600, Carl_Devonston wrote: Then maybe you'll begin to understand why it's only a matter of time, maybe only a couple years, before your beloved, though ancient, D/SLR designs completely disappear from common usage. You can have my gun, but you'll have to pry my dslr from my cold, dead, hands. DSLRs will disappear eventually, all tech changes. But to claim that they can replace them now? Kinda silly... What did photographers used to say, just a few years back about film cameras versus digital? It seems that about half of the argument against P&S cameras is justified, and half of the argument is just a defensive posture of the inevitable. |
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25 Reasons to Choose a P&S Camera Instead Of an Overpriced DSLR(minor typo corrections)
Steve wrote:
You may see the current crop of DSLRs disappear years from now. But you definitely won't see them replaced with P&S. Not if any serious sports photographer wants to keep their job. But you'll see convergance, which you're already seeing. DSLRs that have live-view, HD video recording, etc. Things that were first introduced in P&S and can be applied to a DSLR. Hell, you may even see electronic shutters although those compromise image quality so maybe not. You may see options for it, just like you can shoose live view and contrast detection focusing or the optical viewfinder and phase detection focusing. But if they can figure out how to do them without compromising image quality, then why not? That's the big issue. D-SLR owners are less willing to compromise on image quality, which is inherent in electronic shutters. |
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25 Reasons to Choose a P&S Camera Instead Of an Overpriced DSLR (minor typo corrections)
On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:48:11 -0600, KenKenseth wrote: On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:08:22 GMT, Steve wrote: Hell, you may even see electronic shutters although those compromise image quality so maybe not. But if they can figure out how to do them without compromising image quality, then why not? Where on earth did you get this nonsense? Just because you don't know something doesn't make it false. The fact is that if you take two sensors, one that has an electronic shutter and one that does not, the one that does not will give you better performance. It's because of the additional space taken up on the substrate for the electronics needed for the electronic shutter. That allows less room for light collecting pixels. If/when they put sensors with electronic shutters that don't rob it of light sensitivity you'll see them in more widespread use on high-end cameras. Steve |
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25 Reasons to Choose a P&S Camera Instead Of an Overpriced DSLR(minor typo corrections)
KenKenseth wrote:
You people Hi Vern.. Ken... Harvey... Real Pro... etc. |
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25 Reasons to Choose a P&S Camera Instead Of an Overpriced DSLR (minor typo corrections)
"KenKenseth" wrote in message news:a2n3h4p4niar9etapgtl3ofqklqh8g5ov7@domain... On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:08:22 GMT, Steve wrote: Hell, you may even see electronic shutters although those compromise image quality so maybe not. But if they can figure out how to do them without compromising image quality, then why not? Where on earth did you get this nonsense? They already have them in P&S cameras that don't compromise anything in image quality. High-speed full-frame captures up to 1/40,000 of a second without any scanned bands of the sensor being read off the chip, as used to exist in all DSLR electronics. See this photo for DSLR sensor readout technology at work with high-speed objects. http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/ch...ut_anomaly.jpg It's not bad enough that focal-plane shutters have their own image-distorting problems, but many of their sensors have this problem too. The curved bars are the propeller being slowly scanned electronically in horizontal banks across the sensor. That doesn't happen in any P&S cameras (that I know of). You people invent the silliest things to perpetuate on the net. No doubt due to your experiences with the lame electronic architecture and hardware of your DSLRs. You need to get out more and get away from that ancient camera design. I wonder what other technology you're going to steal from P&S cameras to try to make your DSLRs fully functional one day. You talk as if DSLRs and P&Ss are some sort of competing armies, fighting to the death. This is nonsense. Camera companies are not stupid. The appropriate technology is used in the appropriate place. As technology advances camera design will change in the interest of improving capture and image quality (and putting money into the manufacturer's pockets). Toby |
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25 Reasons to Choose a P&S Camera Instead Of an Overpriced DSLR (minor typo corrections)
"B?wser" wrote in message ... "Carl_Devonston" wrote in message ... On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:26:30 -0500, "B?wser" wrote: Wow. Thanks to this post, I expect to see all those big white and black lenses at the football games, PJ events, etc start to disappear and soon! Now that they know that a simple P&S will do a better job at capturing pro football than their silly SLRs, why would they keep them? As they improve and as more people realize how much more efficient they are for all purposes, then yes you will see D/SLRs disappear. Just as you saw all view-cameras disappear nearly a century ago at all major events. Get it? Yeah, sure. Call me when you see a Panasonic FZ28 show up on the sidelines of a night football game. I shoot HS sports in weak lighting, and I need to shoot at ISO 6400. Yeah. I get it. You are obviously not a "Real Pro" like the OP. With a little more skill perhaps he will soon be able to acquire his stunning images (none of which has ever been seen) without a camera at all! Toby |
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25 Reasons to Choose a P&S Camera Instead Of an Overpriced DSLR (minor typo corrections)
On 5 Nov 2008 20:34:02 -0600, "Toby" wrote:
Camera companies are not stupid. No, but typical amateur-photographer consumers, are. Camera companies are all too willing to provide what those people will buy. Even better if the camera company can produce something for $10 and sell it for $1000 dollars. As in the case of most DSLRs and all their required accessories. They could sell any DSLR glass, L-Glass included, for under $100 a shot. But you? Not knowing a thing, gleefully hand out your dough, just for the social-prestige of promoting an antiquated technology. And attempting, but failing, to look like a "Pro". Ain't this fun. |
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25 Reasons to Choose a P&S Camera Instead Of an Overpriced DSLR (minor typo corrections)
"Toby" wrote in message ... "B?wser" wrote in message ... "Carl_Devonston" wrote in message ... On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:26:30 -0500, "B?wser" wrote: Wow. Thanks to this post, I expect to see all those big white and black lenses at the football games, PJ events, etc start to disappear and soon! Now that they know that a simple P&S will do a better job at capturing pro football than their silly SLRs, why would they keep them? As they improve and as more people realize how much more efficient they are for all purposes, then yes you will see D/SLRs disappear. Just as you saw all view-cameras disappear nearly a century ago at all major events. Get it? Yeah, sure. Call me when you see a Panasonic FZ28 show up on the sidelines of a night football game. I shoot HS sports in weak lighting, and I need to shoot at ISO 6400. Yeah. I get it. You are obviously not a "Real Pro" like the OP. With a little more skill perhaps he will soon be able to acquire his stunning images (none of which has ever been seen) without a camera at all! Toby Spoken like a true non believer, he has them of course, lots of them but he does not have to justify himself by showing them here. ;-) |
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