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HDR photography without the eerie look?
There is a first chapter of an HDR course on DPR. I panned it rapidly, the first thing I noticed was none of that eerie / surreal look that some HDR photos exhibit. (later chapters might go there...TBD). First chapter reviews dynamic range and "what fits". Pretty basic stuff for most around here, but a good base. http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Guid..._part_1_01.htm -- gmail originated posts filtered due to spam. |
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HDR photography without the eerie look?
Alan Browne wrote:
There is a first chapter of an HDR course on DPR. I panned it rapidly, the first thing I noticed was none of that eerie / surreal look that some HDR photos exhibit. (later chapters might go there...TBD). First chapter reviews dynamic range and "what fits". Pretty basic stuff for most around here, but a good base. http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Guid..._part_1_01.htm It seems the way to avoid that look is manual masking, in my experience anyways, a lot can be done that way, although the examples given with hard lines are difficult. |
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HDR photography without the eerie look?
On 2010-12-27 08:52:29 -0800, Paul Furman said:
Alan Browne wrote: There is a first chapter of an HDR course on DPR. I panned it rapidly, the first thing I noticed was none of that eerie / surreal look that some HDR photos exhibit. (later chapters might go there...TBD). First chapter reviews dynamic range and "what fits". Pretty basic stuff for most around here, but a good base. http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Guid..._part_1_01.htm It seems the way to avoid that look is manual masking, in my experience anyways, a lot can be done that way, although the examples given with hard lines are difficult. I think the big problem with the surreal effect is to propensity for folks with new toys to over do things. Instead of making subtle adjustments the tendency is to push the extremes, ending up with the tone mapping with badly adjusted Gamma, saturation and fringe haloes. HDR when done well and subtly with decent software such as NIK HDR Efex Pro, or even HDR Pro in CS5 can produce good and undisturbing results. http://www.niksoftware.com/hdrefexpro/usa/entry.php This is a 5 exposure 1EV step HDR taken in Paso Robles, and processed with NIK HDR Efex. http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DNC_0141_HDRw.jpg -- Regards, Savageduck |
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HDR photography without the eerie look?
Savageduck wrote:
On 2010-12-27 08:52:29 -0800, Paul Furman said: Alan Browne wrote: There is a first chapter of an HDR course on DPR. I panned it rapidly, the first thing I noticed was none of that eerie / surreal look that some HDR photos exhibit. (later chapters might go there...TBD). First chapter reviews dynamic range and "what fits". Pretty basic stuff for most around here, but a good base. http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Guid..._part_1_01.htm It seems the way to avoid that look is manual masking, in my experience anyways, a lot can be done that way, although the examples given with hard lines are difficult. I think the big problem with the surreal effect is to propensity for folks with new toys to over do things. Instead of making subtle adjustments the tendency is to push the extremes, ending up with the tone mapping with badly adjusted Gamma, saturation and fringe haloes. HDR when done well and subtly with decent software such as NIK HDR Efex Pro, or even HDR Pro in CS5 can produce good and undisturbing results. http://www.niksoftware.com/hdrefexpro/usa/entry.php This is a 5 exposure 1EV step HDR taken in Paso Robles, and processed with NIK HDR Efex. http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DNC_0141_HDRw.jpg That's pretty reasonable. I wouldn't guess HDR unless I knew but knowing, it does somehow look a bit unreal like a digital model or something, but I like it. |
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HDR photography without the eerie look?
On 2010-12-27 18:51:00 +0000, Paul Furman said:
Savageduck wrote: On 2010-12-27 08:52:29 -0800, Paul Furman said: Alan Browne wrote: There is a first chapter of an HDR course on DPR. I panned it rapidly, the first thing I noticed was none of that eerie / surreal look that some HDR photos exhibit. (later chapters might go there...TBD). First chapter reviews dynamic range and "what fits". Pretty basic stuff for most around here, but a good base. http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Guid..._part_1_01.htm It seems the way to avoid that look is manual masking, in my experience anyways, a lot can be done that way, although the examples given with hard lines are difficult. I think the big problem with the surreal effect is to propensity for folks with new toys to over do things. Instead of making subtle adjustments the tendency is to push the extremes, ending up with the tone mapping with badly adjusted Gamma, saturation and fringe haloes. HDR when done well and subtly with decent software such as NIK HDR Efex Pro, or even HDR Pro in CS5 can produce good and undisturbing results. http://www.niksoftware.com/hdrefexpro/usa/entry.php This is a 5 exposure 1EV step HDR taken in Paso Robles, and processed with NIK HDR Efex. http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DNC_0141_HDRw.jpg That's pretty reasonable. I wouldn't guess HDR unless I knew but knowing, it does somehow look a bit unreal like a digital model or something, but I like it. I use HDR in most of my shots i.e reducing the wide dynamic range of the scene to fit the limited range of the display medium. I am therefore very sensitive to, and unsettled by, 99% of HDR with toning. Many of the images in Alan's reference have the highlight areas in the overall scene mapped to either a lower luminance than the highlights in the artificially accentuated main subject or, when the luminance is higher, the difference is laughably small. For goodness sake, a few areas of blown highlights would make the images half believable. It would be unfair to illustrate my point further by dissecting specific images both posted and in previous SI's. It appears from the feedback comments that I'm the only one who views HDR with toning as nothing more than software vendors being very successful at conning buyers. Notwithstanding, I'll use the technique when the software matures enough to produce even semi-realistic images. -- Pete |
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HDR photography without the eerie look?
On 2010-12-27 10:51:00 -0800, Paul Furman said:
Savageduck wrote: On 2010-12-27 08:52:29 -0800, Paul Furman said: Alan Browne wrote: There is a first chapter of an HDR course on DPR. I panned it rapidly, the first thing I noticed was none of that eerie / surreal look that some HDR photos exhibit. (later chapters might go there...TBD). First chapter reviews dynamic range and "what fits". Pretty basic stuff for most around here, but a good base. http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Guid..._part_1_01.htm It seems the way to avoid that look is manual masking, in my experience anyways, a lot can be done that way, although the examples given with hard lines are difficult. I think the big problem with the surreal effect is to propensity for folks with new toys to over do things. Instead of making subtle adjustments the tendency is to push the extremes, ending up with the tone mapping with badly adjusted Gamma, saturation and fringe haloes. HDR when done well and subtly with decent software such as NIK HDR Efex Pro, or even HDR Pro in CS5 can produce good and undisturbing results. http://www.niksoftware.com/hdrefexpro/usa/entry.php This is a 5 exposure 1EV step HDR taken in Paso Robles, and processed with NIK HDR Efex. http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DNC_0141_HDRw.jpg That's pretty reasonable. I wouldn't guess HDR unless I knew but knowing, it does somehow look a bit unreal like a digital model or something, but I like it. Here are two more which I processed with the NIK software. The first I think I have posted here before and I have also done a pretty good B&W conversion of that one (I think that B&W conversion is an area which can benefit from HDR.) With the second I have also included the 0 EV unadjusted/processed shot. You will note the HDR brings out the shadow detail of the interior. 1: http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DNC_0348_HDRw.jpg 2A: http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DNC_0360Aw.jpg 2B: http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DNC_0358_HDRw.jpg -- Regards, Savageduck |
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HDR photography without the eerie look?
Pete wrote:
Paul Furman said: Savageduck wrote: Paul Furman said: Alan Browne wrote: There is a first chapter of an HDR course on DPR. I panned it rapidly, the first thing I noticed was none of that eerie / surreal look that some HDR photos exhibit. (later chapters might go there...TBD). First chapter reviews dynamic range and "what fits". Pretty basic stuff for most around here, but a good base. http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Guid..._part_1_01.htm It seems the way to avoid that look is manual masking, in my experience anyways, a lot can be done that way, although the examples given with hard lines are difficult. I think the big problem with the surreal effect is to propensity for folks with new toys to over do things. Instead of making subtle adjustments the tendency is to push the extremes, ending up with the tone mapping with badly adjusted Gamma, saturation and fringe haloes. HDR when done well and subtly with decent software such as NIK HDR Efex Pro, or even HDR Pro in CS5 can produce good and undisturbing results. http://www.niksoftware.com/hdrefexpro/usa/entry.php This is a 5 exposure 1EV step HDR taken in Paso Robles, and processed with NIK HDR Efex. http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DNC_0141_HDRw.jpg That's pretty reasonable. I wouldn't guess HDR unless I knew but knowing, it does somehow look a bit unreal like a digital model or something, but I like it. I use HDR in most of my shots i.e reducing the wide dynamic range of the scene to fit the limited range of the display medium. I am therefore very sensitive to, and unsettled by, 99% of HDR with toning. Many of the images in Alan's reference have the highlight areas in the overall scene mapped to either a lower luminance than the highlights in the artificially accentuated main subject or, when the luminance is higher, the difference is laughably small. For goodness sake, a few areas of blown highlights would make the images half believable. Agreed. I do a lot of contrast reducing post-processing but either with manually retouched masks or just highlight recovery/shadow fill sliders, which also looks bad if you take it too far, and I've been known to take it too far on occasion. It would be unfair to illustrate my point further by dissecting specific images both posted and in previous SI's. It appears from the feedback comments that I'm the only one who views HDR with toning as nothing more than software vendors being very successful at conning buyers. Notwithstanding, I'll use the technique when the software matures enough to produce even semi-realistic images. |
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HDR photography without the eerie look?
Alan Browne wrote:
There is a first chapter of an HDR course on DPR. I panned it rapidly, the first thing I noticed was none of that eerie / surreal look that some HDR photos exhibit. (later chapters might go there...TBD). http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Guid...raphy_part_1_0 1.htm Well - I thought some of those pictures had that eerieness you mention, but I strongly dislike HDR photographs. To me they have an exaggerated, hyperreal quality, which I find off-putting. Daniele |
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HDR photography without the eerie look?
On 2010-12-27 14:29:54 -0800, DaveS said:
On 12/27/2010 2:59 PM, Savageduck wrote: Here are two more which I processed with the NIK software. The first I think I have posted here before and I have also done a pretty good B&W conversion of that one (I think that B&W conversion is an area which can benefit from HDR.) With the second I have also included the 0 EV unadjusted/processed shot. You will note the HDR brings out the shadow detail of the interior. 1: http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DNC_0348_HDRw.jpg With all that cloud in the sky, where did the sunshine on grass and barn come from? Dave S. Who said that was Sunshine? -- Regards, Savageduck |
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HDR photography without the eerie look?
On 2010-12-27 14:37:26 -0800, Savageduck said:
On 2010-12-27 14:29:54 -0800, DaveS said: On 12/27/2010 2:59 PM, Savageduck wrote: Here are two more which I processed with the NIK software. The first I think I have posted here before and I have also done a pretty good B&W conversion of that one (I think that B&W conversion is an area which can benefit from HDR.) With the second I have also included the 0 EV unadjusted/processed shot. You will note the HDR brings out the shadow detail of the interior. 1: http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DNC_0348_HDRw.jpg With all that cloud in the sky, where did the sunshine on grass and barn come from? Dave S. Who said that was Sunshine? BTW; Here is the unadjusted/processed 0 EV exposure for that HDR. http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DNC_0350w.jpg -- Regards, Savageduck |
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