printing problem magenta cast canon i9900

I have a canon i9900 and am trying to print sRGB .jpgs onto red river
satin paper via photoshop 7. Problem is I get a magenta cast when
trying to use ICC profiles.

Work flow is like this:

1. open .jpg in photoshop, specify sRGB working space as embedded in
jpg (I use adobe now but these were older pictures)
2. print with preview
color management:
source space = document
print space: rr upsatin i9900 (supplied ICC from Red River), choose
relative colorimetric, black point compensation
3. click "Print"
4. Printer box comes up- click "properties", on main tab color
adjustment set to "manual" and print type set to "none"

Then print and the magenta cast can be seen in the preview, before even
printing out. Monitor is calibrated. Mostly the reds and oranges have
too much magenta. Curiously enough I don't have the problem if print
space is set to "printer color management" but that defeats the purpose
of using an ICC profile ..what gives?

On 10/15/05 8:10 PM, in article
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I have a canon i9900 and am trying to print sRGB .jpgs onto red river
satin paper via photoshop 7. Problem is I get a magenta cast when
trying to use ICC profiles.

Work flow is like this:

1. open .jpg in photoshop, specify sRGB working space as embedded in
jpg (I use adobe now but these were older pictures)
2. print with preview
color management:
source space = document
print space: rr upsatin i9900 (supplied ICC from Red River), choose
relative colorimetric, black point compensation
3. click "Print"
4. Printer box comes up- click "properties", on main tab color
adjustment set to "manual" and print type set to "none"

Then print and the magenta cast can be seen in the preview, before even
printing out. Monitor is calibrated. Mostly the reds and oranges have
too much magenta. Curiously enough I don't have the problem if print
space is set to "printer color management" but that defeats the purpose
of using an ICC profile ..what gives?

Unless you did not mention everything that you do in your work flow
description I see a few possible omissions:
In the print with preview dialog are you first selecting 'page setup' and
making sure that your i9900 is the selected printer.
Then the same thing after clicking on the 'print' button.
Also, I don't see where you have selected the paper in the printer driver -
after selecting your rr paper in PS Red River probably tells you to select
something like glossy photo paper in the printer driver.
In the printer driver selections you will also need to select 'no color
management.'

Yeah, the i9900 is selected and everywhere it gives me the chance I
have "Glossy Photo Paper" selected and ICM unchecked, Color Adjustment
= Manual and Print Type = None. I do not see however where I can
explicitly select 'no color management.' I thought that having ICM
uncheck and print type None was effectively doint that.

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I have a canon i9900 and am trying to print sRGB .jpgs onto red river
satin paper via photoshop 7. Problem is I get a magenta cast when
trying to use ICC profiles.

Work flow is like this:

1. open .jpg in photoshop, specify sRGB working space as embedded in
jpg (I use adobe now but these were older pictures)
2. print with preview
color management:
source space = document
print space: rr upsatin i9900 (supplied ICC from Red River), choose
relative colorimetric, black point compensation
3. click "Print"
4. Printer box comes up- click "properties", on main tab color
adjustment set to "manual" and print type set to "none"

Then print and the magenta cast can be seen in the preview, before even
printing out. Monitor is calibrated. Mostly the reds and oranges have
too much magenta. Curiously enough I don't have the problem if print
space is set to "printer color management" but that defeats the purpose
of using an ICC profile ..what gives?


Hi there.

I don't use a Canon printer, so I do not know how to set the printer
dialogues to ensure it is not Colour Managing.

A Magenta cast usually indicates double Colour Management. Once in PS and
again in the Printer.

When you stopped PS from C. Managing by selecting "Printer Management" in
the Print Space, you were then letting only the Printer do the Corrections
and were getting Correct Prints.

This confirms that CM was being applied twice, and when you changed the
workflow it was only being done once, and it was only being done in the
Printer.

I presume that somehow the Printer is now using the correct ICC Profile, or
that one of its own built in Profiles is a very close match to the Red River
one.

There are obvious dangers in this system, since you do not seem to be able
to control which Profile the Printer selects, and some change to some other
Printer setting might well cause the use of another and incorrect profile.

I have seen instructions in a previous Thread, about how to stop a Canon
Printer applying C. M., but it was much more complicated than with an Epson.
With a little luck or some perseverance on your part you may find out how to
do that, and then be able to return to letting PS do the CM, without any
interferance from the Printer..

Until then just continue letting the Printer do it, and hope it keeps
picking the correct Profile.

Roy G

On 10/15/05 11:41 PM, in article
,
" wrote:

Yeah, the i9900 is selected and everywhere it gives me the chance I
have "Glossy Photo Paper" selected and ICM unchecked, Color Adjustment
= Manual and Print Type = None. I do not see however where I can
explicitly select 'no color management.' I thought that having ICM
uncheck and print type None was effectively doint that.

I have an i9900 printer but am currently using it on a Mac (you are probably
using yours on a Windows machine). I can't imagine, however, that the
printer driver options would be that different. When printing to the i9900
clicking the print button in PS brings up the printer driver dialog box. In
that window there are numerous selectable options including Quality and
Media, Color Options, etc, etc. In the Color Options choice there should be
an additional option to select 'Color Correction - None.' If you don't find
that option I guess a Windows user will have to help out!
Chuck

You are using double color management. Off the printer color management when
you use 3rd party paper ICC profile or any custom profile.

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I have a canon i9900 and am trying to print sRGB .jpgs onto red river
satin paper via photoshop 7. Problem is I get a magenta cast when
trying to use ICC profiles.

Work flow is like this:

1. open .jpg in photoshop, specify sRGB working space as embedded in
jpg (I use adobe now but these were older pictures)
2. print with preview
color management:
source space = document
print space: rr upsatin i9900 (supplied ICC from Red River), choose
relative colorimetric, black point compensation
3. click "Print"
4. Printer box comes up- click "properties", on main tab color
adjustment set to "manual" and print type set to "none"

Then print and the magenta cast can be seen in the preview, before even
printing out. Monitor is calibrated. Mostly the reds and oranges have
too much magenta. Curiously enough I don't have the problem if print
space is set to "printer color management" but that defeats the purpose
of using an ICC profile ..what gives?


Hi there.

I don't use a Canon printer, so I do not know how to set the printer
dialogues to ensure it is not Colour Managing.

A Magenta cast usually indicates double Colour Management. Once in PS and
again in the Printer.

When you stopped PS from C. Managing by selecting "Printer Management" in
the Print Space, you were then letting only the Printer do the Corrections
and were getting Correct Prints.

This confirms that CM was being applied twice, and when you changed the
workflow it was only being done once, and it was only being done in the
Printer.

I presume that somehow the Printer is now using the correct ICC Profile,
or that one of its own built in Profiles is a very close match to the Red
River one.

There are obvious dangers in this system, since you do not seem to be able
to control which Profile the Printer selects, and some change to some
other Printer setting might well cause the use of another and incorrect
profile.

I have seen instructions in a previous Thread, about how to stop a Canon
Printer applying C. M., but it was much more complicated than with an
Epson. With a little luck or some perseverance on your part you may find
out how to do that, and then be able to return to letting PS do the CM,
without any interferance from the Printer..

Until then just continue letting the Printer do it, and hope it keeps
picking the correct Profile.

Roy G

It is off. That's the problem...color
adjustment set to "manual" and print type set to "none" in printer
driver.

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It is off. That's the problem...color
adjustment set to "manual" and print type set to "none" in printer
driver.


Hi there again.

I am certain that your technique of setting to "Manual" and then print type
"None", is not turning off CM. From the little I can remember, it was much
more complicated than that.

When you did this, and allowed PS to CM you got Prints which had all the
classic symptoms of Double CM.

When you prevented PS doing any CM by specifying "Printer management" in the
Print Space box, the symptoms went away.

So it is obvious that your Printer was still applying CM. Perhaps not using
the correct profile, but getting fairly close.

If you ask on this group, someone will be able to give you the exact routine
to turn off CM in a Canon. Once you get that info, you can revert to
allowing PS to do the CM using your Red River Profile.

Roy G

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I have a canon i9900 and am trying to print sRGB .jpgs onto red river
satin paper via photoshop 7. Problem is I get a magenta cast when
trying to use ICC profiles.

I have been following this thread+responses. It does sound like you
are doing everything correctly. Have you successfully printed on any
media other than the red river satin? Note that at least one poster
had similar persistent color cast problems on an i9900 but a
replacement was OK.

This pdf pretty much sums up how to set CM with a Canon printer:
http://www.qualiteitems.com/canon.pdf

And just a sanity check: for sure in the printer driver all Effects
are disabled?

If I had this problem, I would probably try reinstalling the printer
driver, rebooting between uninstall/reinstall.