Canon EOS 20D Firmware Update Available Tomorrow (Fri)

Brian C. Baird wrote:

In article , david-
says...

Either that, or the fix itself has had
completely insufficient testing!


You're also forgetting a lot of other possibilities such as:

This was such a stupid mistake (forgot to carry the two, etc. etc.) that
fixing it wasn't that big of a deal.

Yeah, I can see a pimple-faced 15 y/o kid huddled over a 21" CRT,
pouring over reams and reams of code until.... HOLY ****! WHO LET THAT
HAPPEN!!


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jer email reply - I am not a 'ten'

Jer wrote:

Yeah, I can see a pimple-faced 15 y/o kid huddled over a 21" CRT,
pouring over reams and reams of code until.... HOLY ****! WHO LET THAT
HAPPEN!!


In Japan? Not likely.

Phil

Brian C. Baird wrote:
In article , david-
says...
Either that, or the fix itself has had
completely insufficient testing!

You're also forgetting a lot of other possibilities such as:

This was such a stupid mistake (forgot to carry the two, etc. etc.)
that fixing it wasn't that big of a deal.

In which case the original testing and code walk-through wasn't very good!
I'm just trying to relate why the fix only took 13 days to become
available. The fact that they've pulled it already doesn't increase my
confidence. When I worked in software (avionics related) no software
change would escape in just 13 days!

But, yes, all software is like this, and it's good that the cameras can be
updated.

Cheers,
David

Phil Wheeler wrote:


Jer wrote:


Yeah, I can see a pimple-faced 15 y/o kid huddled over a 21" CRT,
pouring over reams and reams of code until.... HOLY ****! WHO LET
THAT HAPPEN!!


In Japan? Not likely.

Phil


Well, I wouldn't presume to know where their software people are, but
logistically speaking, it could be your next door neighbour. Why can't
Japan outsource like we do?


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jer email reply - I am not a 'ten'

Phil Wheeler wrote:


Jer wrote:


Yeah, I can see a pimple-faced 15 y/o kid huddled over a 21" CRT,
pouring over reams and reams of code until.... HOLY ****! WHO LET
THAT HAPPEN!!


In Japan? Not likely.

Phil


Well, I wouldn't presume to know where their software people are, but
logistically speaking, it could be your next door neighbour. Why can't
Japan outsource like we do?


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jer email reply - I am not a 'ten'

"Phil Wheeler" wrote in message
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Skip M wrote:


You mean it uploads on its own? 'Cause I don't know how to get it to do
so
if it doesn't...Not much in the manual about uploading from a CF to the
camera. I know about d/l to a card from the computer.


If like other Canons, there is a firmware update item in the menu. It
may not appear unless the camera detects a CF card with new firmware.

The instructions will be with the update download (I've updated F/W in
other Canons -- S1 IS and 300D -- but not 20D). It is a very
straightforward process. Key is to start with a well-charged battery.

Phil

Thanks, I have an AC adaptor.

--
Skip Middleton
http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com

"Jer" wrote in message
...
Phil Wheeler wrote:


Jer wrote:


Yeah, I can see a pimple-faced 15 y/o kid huddled over a 21" CRT,
pouring over reams and reams of code until.... HOLY ****! WHO LET THAT
HAPPEN!!


In Japan? Not likely.

Phil


Well, I wouldn't presume to know where their software people are, but
logistically speaking, it could be your next door neighbour. Why can't
Japan outsource like we do?


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jer email reply - I am not a 'ten'

My guess is that the camera was made in Japan but the software developed in
India. It had to be because right after taking filling my CF card with
images, I had a need to go to Dunkin' Donuts for a Cruller.

S.

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 18:20:59 GMT, "David J Taylor"
wrote:

Big Bill wrote:
On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:06:36 GMT, "David J Taylor"
wrote:

Phil Wheeler wrote:
[]
Really what it says is that Canon is very responsive: Bug was
reported 13 days ago.

More likely it says the camera was rushed out without proper testing
in the first place, and that bug-fix was already in the works when
the camera was released.

David

There are *always* fixes to be made, new things to add.
At some point, the product has to actually be put on the market.
IMO, it's kinda unproductive to complain that Canon (or any other
company) issues fixes. I've seen companies that simply refuse to admit
that their products have faults. Believe me, a fix is better than
that.

Bill Funk
Change "g" to "a"

I agree. However, I don't think that a fix that was released in 13 days
was not already in the works.... Either that, or the fix itself has had
completely insufficient testing!

David

Personally, I think it was the first.
There have been some pretty high-profile cases of products released
with almost immediate 'fixes' needed; remember Intel's processor with
the math glitch? Not pretty.
But "without proper testing"? I'm not sure on that. The cost to test
for every possible failure mode would be cost-prohibitive, IMO.
So, in a sense, the customers do act as testers.

Bill Funk
Change "g" to "a"

Big Bill wrote:
[]
Personally, I think it was the first.
There have been some pretty high-profile cases of products released
with almost immediate 'fixes' needed; remember Intel's processor with
the math glitch? Not pretty.

... and not one that could be fixed with a simple patch!

But "without proper testing"? I'm not sure on that. The cost to test
for every possible failure mode would be cost-prohibitive, IMO.
So, in a sense, the customers do act as testers.

Bill Funk
Change "g" to "a"

Yes, they do, but there will be a range of expectation according to how
"computer savvy" the person is - more computer savvy may expect bugs to be
found and would expect patches as a matter of course, not to have drag
patches kicking and screaming from the manufacturer. Less computer savvy
may expect things to be perfect from day one. Canon has been forward in
providing the patch - credit to them on that.

The amount of time (money) devoted to testing will differ between
manufacturers, so I guess "you pays your money and takes your choice"!

Cheers,
David

Big Bill wrote:

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 18:20:59 GMT, "David J Taylor"
wrote:


Big Bill wrote:

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:06:36 GMT, "David J Taylor"
wrote:


Phil Wheeler wrote:

[]

Really what it says is that Canon is very responsive: Bug was
reported 13 days ago.

More likely it says the camera was rushed out without proper testing
in the first place, and that bug-fix was already in the works when
the camera was released.

David

There are *always* fixes to be made, new things to add.
At some point, the product has to actually be put on the market.
IMO, it's kinda unproductive to complain that Canon (or any other
company) issues fixes. I've seen companies that simply refuse to admit
that their products have faults. Believe me, a fix is better than
that.

Bill Funk
Change "g" to "a"

I agree. However, I don't think that a fix that was released in 13 days
was not already in the works.... Either that, or the fix itself has had
completely insufficient testing!

David


Personally, I think it was the first.
There have been some pretty high-profile cases of products released
with almost immediate 'fixes' needed; remember Intel's processor with
the math glitch? Not pretty.
But "without proper testing"? I'm not sure on that. The cost to test
for every possible failure mode would be cost-prohibitive, IMO.
So, in a sense, the customers do act as testers.


Looks like they decided to spend the weekend testing this mod :-)