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Old June 8th 06, 08:27 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Ingo von Borstel wrote:

Hi,

I tried with my polarizing filter and it turned a tad better.
However, the sky was still ooverexposed ;-( I can't try again now
because it's overcast... we're getting rain soon ...


I don't think any filter will help another way you couldn't achieve
using only your camera. You just need less light, that is a
smaller aperture or a shorter shutter time.


A ND grad would help if used carefully. There is simply too much light at
the top and reducing the exposure would upset the exposure at the bottom of
the image.

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Old June 8th 06, 11:39 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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John McWilliams writes:
Bracketing in RAW gives incredible latitude. Even a single RAW image
can be developed in, say, two different ways, one for the house, and
one for the sky. Then you can layer the two, mask one, and paint on
the mask to reveal the bottom layer.


I've attempted this from time to time (in Gimp). Where the objects
crossing the horizon are buildings it's worked relatively well, but
where they are trees, it's proved incredibly difficult - I've found
they are too fiddly to get right without strange halos around them.

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Old June 8th 06, 12:34 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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"Jack Mac" wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 23:48:16 GMT, "JohnR66" wrote:

The solution in a situation where the subject was dark on a sunny, clear

day
was to use a polarizer filter and dial in -1 of exposure (under expose by
one stop). Using RAW too would have helped as the sky was still not as

blue
as I wanted.
John

"Celcius" wrote in message
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Hi everyone!

Why is the sky washed out while my wife with a point and shoot gets

blue
skys?
It seems to me the sky was quite blue when I took this photo:
http://celestart.com/images/publiques/15.jpg

Any ideas? Recommendations?

Thanks,

Marcel



You say your wife's point and shoot camera gets blue sky.
Why not just use her camera? Is the DSLR really worth all
the extra effort?
Jack Mac

Good question, Jack.

However, I bought a DSLR to use it and to learn photography. Otherwise, I
would have bought a P&S. This is also why I come to this forum as well as
alt.photography, rec.photo.digital.slr-systems, to learn and to seek help
from more knowledgeable than I.

I find this pastime quite interesting. It also allowed me to work with
Photoshop (7.0, CS1 and now CS2). When I think that so many retired people
hang around shopping centers for lack of something better to do....

Take care,

Marcel


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Old June 8th 06, 01:10 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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"Celcius" wrote in message
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"Jack Mac" wrote in message
...

You say your wife's point and shoot camera gets blue sky.
Why not just use her camera? Is the DSLR really worth all
the extra effort?
Jack Mac

Good question, Jack.

However, I bought a DSLR to use it and to learn photography. Otherwise, I
would have bought a P&S. This is also why I come to this forum as well as
alt.photography, rec.photo.digital.slr-systems, to learn and to seek help
from more knowledgeable than I.

I find this pastime quite interesting. It also allowed me to work with
Photoshop (7.0, CS1 and now CS2). When I think that so many retired people
hang around shopping centers for lack of something better to do....

Take care,

Marcel


You took the shot using an automatic exposure setting. You left it up to the
camera to decide what was important in the picture.

I've never been pleased with the skies in my photos, using the Rebel XT in
any automatic modes. But, like you, I didn't buy the camera to point and
shoot.

My other camera has a live preview, so I was able to change shutter speed
and exposure on the fly before taking the shot. The XT doesn't give you that
option, but "mistakes" don't cost you anything.

It's time to turn the dial from automatic to manual. Read the book and then
set up some test shots. Play around with shutter speed and other settings in
increments and see what happens. This is when you'll be glad that you bought
a DSLR instead of a pocket camera.

You need to take control of this camera...

dwight
(strictly an amateur)


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Old June 8th 06, 01:41 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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King Sardon wrote:
If it was a clear blue sky, it would not be overexposed.


I don't see the logic.

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Old June 8th 06, 02:10 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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2 wrote:

Not likely. A hazy sky has no polarized light. It's scattered!

Not that this isn't true, but also the light that you see coming from
the clear sky is scattered (otherwise it'd be black like in space); it's
blue because of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayleigh_scattering
  #37  
Old June 8th 06, 03:27 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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I wasn't there, but the OP says "It seems to me the sky was quite blue
when I took this photo". Therefore, it seems more likely that it just
washed out from overexposure.


King Sardon wrote:
On 7 Jun 2006 08:06:03 -0700, "Pat"
wrote:

The way to do that is to invest in a polarizing filter.
That will allow you to darken a sky like that (plus keep interesting
details in it) without underexposing the rest of the image. It will
also cut out most glare that you encounter.


A polarizing filter will help little with a hazy sky, and the picture
shows a hazy sky.

KS


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Old June 8th 06, 03:34 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Celcius wrote:


"Jack Mac" wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 23:48:16 GMT, "JohnR66" wrote:

The solution in a situation where the subject was dark on a sunny, clear

day
was to use a polarizer filter and dial in -1 of exposure (under expose
by one stop). Using RAW too would have helped as the sky was still not
as

blue
as I wanted.
John

"Celcius" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone!

Why is the sky washed out while my wife with a point and shoot gets

blue
skys?
It seems to me the sky was quite blue when I took this photo:
http://celestart.com/images/publiques/15.jpg

Any ideas? Recommendations?

Thanks,

Marcel



You say your wife's point and shoot camera gets blue sky.
Why not just use her camera? Is the DSLR really worth all
the extra effort?
Jack Mac

Good question, Jack.

However, I bought a DSLR to use it and to learn photography. Otherwise, I
would have bought a P&S. This is also why I come to this forum as well as
alt.photography, rec.photo.digital.slr-systems, to learn and to seek help
from more knowledgeable than I.

I find this pastime quite interesting. It also allowed me to work with
Photoshop (7.0, CS1 and now CS2). When I think that so many retired people
hang around shopping centers for lack of something better to do....


You might find it instructive to look at the EXIF information from your
photo and hers and see what was different about her exposure.

Take care,

Marcel


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  #39  
Old June 8th 06, 03:38 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Umm, I'm at a loss on what to say. Let's see, the OP shoots a blue sky
on a beautiful sunny day. It gets overexposed and washed out. Your
response is to shoot when the sky is less white? Maybe you (and other
posters) think it's hazy, I guess. Didn't any of you look at the
picture and see the big-ol shadow from the birch trees next to the
driveway? You don't get that on overcast days where I live.

The only way to retake that picture when it is "less white" would be to
retake it at night.

Still, the OP needs to do 3 things.

1. Get a polarizer. Maybe a gradiant ND filter, too.
2. Stop shotting into the sun. The house IS in shadow, but he had to
lighten the picture to see it okay.
3. Correct the white balance on the picture. I looks like the picture
is lacking some blue.


wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:22:04 -0400, "Celcius"
wrote:

Hi everyone!

Why is the sky washed out while my wife with a point and shoot gets blue
skys?
It seems to me the sky was quite blue when I took this photo:
http://celestart.com/images/publiques/15.jpg

Any ideas? Recommendations?

Thanks,

Marcel


You could use a polarizer, shoot RAW, underexpose, meter on the sky,
meter on the tree, resort to manual exposure, change the white
balance, diddle in Photoshop...

Bunch of crap.

Take the shot again when the sky is not so white.

Fred


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Old June 8th 06, 03:54 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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"Pat" wrote:
Umm, I'm at a loss on what to say. Let's see, the OP shoots a blue sky
on a beautiful sunny day. It gets overexposed and washed out. Your
response is to shoot when the sky is less white? Maybe you (and other
posters) think it's hazy, I guess. Didn't any of you look at the
picture and see the big-ol shadow from the birch trees next to the
driveway? You don't get that on overcast days where I live.

The only way to retake that picture when it is "less white" would be to
retake it at night.

Still, the OP needs to do 3 things.

1. Get a polarizer. Maybe a gradiant ND filter, too.


Neither are of much value, IMHO.

2. Stop shotting into the sun. The house IS in shadow, but he had to
lighten the picture to see it okay.


Oh, absolutely. Of course it is difficult, for most
photographers, to rotate a house to get it into the sun...

Or if you live where I do, instead of shooting at noon, wait
until midnight for the sun to be on the other side of the house.

Fill flash??? :-)

3. Correct the white balance on the picture. I looks like the picture
is lacking some blue.


That might help some.

But reducing the exposure would be the single most effective step.

Added to that might be to shoot in raw mode to retain more data in
the shadows to allow software to lighten up the shadows without
blowing out the sky again.

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