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Some different Nikon News
On 2/17/2012 5:12 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2012-02-16 19:48 , Savageduck wrote: I was noodling about on line and came across this regarding Nikon repairs. http://ifixit.org/1349/how-nikon-is-...camera-repair/ Regarding the web page above, there were a few ridiculous points, the worse being: QUOTE If you depend on your camera for work, as Jarvie does, having to mail your camera in to be fixed will cost you more than just the price of the repair: lost business, shipping costs, and time lost waiting for the Postal Service to shuttle the camera back and forth. UNQUOTE Really? Does the writer REALLY believe Jarvie has a single camera? As to Nikon I believe the policy as stated is absolutely stupid - UNLESS it also allows more shops to qualify as Nikon repair stations. I know a few local press photogs who are stuck with paper owned Nikon gear that they have to cycle through a Nikon approved service. The service is very good (quality) but slow in time. No real issue - they have plenty of spare bodies, lenses and flashes. For others it could be a drag. I see no mention of NPS, either. -- Peter |
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On 2/16/2012 7:48 PM, Savageduck wrote:
I was noodling about on line and came across this regarding Nikon repairs. http://ifixit.org/1349/how-nikon-is-...camera-repair/ I am normally highly in favor of small business. While there are many good and decent repair services, I have also heard of some pretty bad screw ups. The screwed up cameras frequently end up at Nikon repair services, who then charge a lot for the fix. Indeed the repair has to cover the cost of the botch, plus what it would have cost anyway. The consumer then blames Nikon for overcharging, while forgetting that the sloppy repair was the cause. I live about 10 minutes from Nikon and have found them to be fair and reasonable in their policies. My main bitch is that they will not repair older models and older lenses. If you or I decide to open a retail camera store we would be able to sell most consumer grade Nikons, but would not be authorized to sell the professional line. -- Peter |
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On 2012-02-17 17:35:58 -0800, PeterN said:
On 2/16/2012 7:48 PM, Savageduck wrote: I was noodling about on line and came across this regarding Nikon repairs. http://ifixit.org/1349/how-nikon-is-...camera-repair/ I am normally highly in favor of small business. While there are many good and decent repair services, I have also heard of some pretty bad screw ups. The screwed up cameras frequently end up at Nikon repair services, who then charge a lot for the fix. Indeed the repair has to cover the cost of the botch, plus what it would have cost anyway. The consumer then blames Nikon for overcharging, while forgetting that the sloppy repair was the cause. I live about 10 minutes from Nikon and have found them to be fair and reasonable in their policies. My main bitch is that they will not repair older models and older lenses. If you or I decide to open a retail camera store we would be able to sell most consumer grade Nikons, but would not be authorized to sell the professional line. You are fortunate to have Nikon 10 minutes from your home. You might have noted the disassembled camera was a D70. These folks will repair older models, they do not touch lenses. It seems that Nikon USA is going to deny small repair businesses such as Ifixit the parts to repair older and discontinued cameras you have noted they will not repair. As far as botched repairs by unqualified folks, I agree, they have no reason to complain if Nikon fixing things results in a higher charge. That is a risk they took. However with regard to diagnostics with electronic devices such as digital cameras and computers they are more than competent. ....and for me they are only 40 minutes from where I live. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 2/17/2012 8:51 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2012-02-17 17:35:58 -0800, PeterN said: On 2/16/2012 7:48 PM, Savageduck wrote: I was noodling about on line and came across this regarding Nikon repairs. http://ifixit.org/1349/how-nikon-is-...camera-repair/ I am normally highly in favor of small business. While there are many good and decent repair services, I have also heard of some pretty bad screw ups. The screwed up cameras frequently end up at Nikon repair services, who then charge a lot for the fix. Indeed the repair has to cover the cost of the botch, plus what it would have cost anyway. The consumer then blames Nikon for overcharging, while forgetting that the sloppy repair was the cause. I live about 10 minutes from Nikon and have found them to be fair and reasonable in their policies. My main bitch is that they will not repair older models and older lenses. If you or I decide to open a retail camera store we would be able to sell most consumer grade Nikons, but would not be authorized to sell the professional line. You are fortunate to have Nikon 10 minutes from your home. that had something to do with my decision to stick with Nikon when I went digital. You might have noted the disassembled camera was a D70. These folks will repair older models, they do not touch lenses. It seems that Nikon USA is going to deny small repair businesses such as Ifixit the parts to repair older and discontinued cameras you have noted they will not repair. For how long should a manufacturer continue to manufacture parts for obsolete models. I have an Abu-Garcia fishing reel. circa 1971 and made in France. The new ones are pure junk. When I need parts I go to some guy who has stocked old reels that he acquired for parts. I would not be surprised if a cannibal industry grew up. As far as botched repairs by unqualified folks, I agree, they have no reason to complain if Nikon fixing things results in a higher charge. That is a risk they took. However with regard to diagnostics with electronic devices such as digital cameras and computers they are more than competent. ....and for me they are only 40 minutes from where I live. -- Peter |
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:53:54 -0500, Alan Browne
wrote: : On 2012-02-17 18:06 , David Dyer-Bennet wrote: : : But absolutely having to have two cameras (or three if you believe you : need two working ones to take to a gig) is itself a cost, and a rather : large one. : : I don't know of any pro photog who brings less than 2 cameras to a gig, : event, shoot, wedding, etc. His fees depend on taking photos at the : time needed, not making excuses about failed eqt. Another commercial : photographer nearby always has 3 cameras (sports, medical, etc.). : Another brings 2 identical rigs (everything from cameras to lenses to : lighting) to every wedding. : : The capital is depreciated at 20% per year making it a sliver of annual : revenue. A couple news photogs I know always have 3 cameras, each with : the 1 of the holy trinity lenes mounted. Saves time switching. Those : cameras are owned by the paper, however. (Who still lay it off at : 20%/year). I usually carry two to an event or, say, a building construction tour, where it would be hard to stop and change lenses. But I draw the line there. I can't really imagine how I'd juggle three. I actually think that this may have come up in one of the newsgroups some years back and that one of the participants lectured me on how it's possible to carry more than two. But I'm afraid I remain unconvinced. Maybe if I were thirty years younger, ... :^) Bob |
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:51:01 -0800, Savageduck
wrote: On 2012-02-17 17:35:58 -0800, PeterN said: On 2/16/2012 7:48 PM, Savageduck wrote: I was noodling about on line and came across this regarding Nikon repairs. http://ifixit.org/1349/how-nikon-is-...camera-repair/ I am normally highly in favor of small business. While there are many good and decent repair services, I have also heard of some pretty bad screw ups. The screwed up cameras frequently end up at Nikon repair services, who then charge a lot for the fix. Indeed the repair has to cover the cost of the botch, plus what it would have cost anyway. The consumer then blames Nikon for overcharging, while forgetting that the sloppy repair was the cause. I live about 10 minutes from Nikon and have found them to be fair and reasonable in their policies. My main bitch is that they will not repair older models and older lenses. If you or I decide to open a retail camera store we would be able to sell most consumer grade Nikons, but would not be authorized to sell the professional line. You are fortunate to have Nikon 10 minutes from your home. You might have noted the disassembled camera was a D70. These folks will repair older models, they do not touch lenses. It seems that Nikon USA is going to deny small repair businesses such as Ifixit the parts to repair older and discontinued cameras you have noted they will not repair. As far as botched repairs by unqualified folks, I agree, they have no reason to complain if Nikon fixing things results in a higher charge. That is a risk they took. However with regard to diagnostics with electronic devices such as digital cameras and computers they are more than competent. ...and for me they are only 40 minutes from where I live. The Nikon repair centre in Auckland was about 30 minutes drive from where I live. The last camera I had repaired there was a FM (not a FM1 or FM2, but a genuine FM) whose meter had stopped working. That was about two years ago. Since then Nikon agents have bought the privately owned repair centre and moved it into there own premises. Maybe its part of a worldwide drive to concentrate all repairs in Nikon's own hands. Who knows? Regards, Eric Stevens |
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On 2012-02-17 21:33 , Robert Coe wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:53:54 -0500, Alan Browne wrote: : On 2012-02-17 18:06 , David Dyer-Bennet wrote: : : But absolutely having to have two cameras (or three if you believe you : need two working ones to take to a gig) is itself a cost, and a rather : large one. : : I don't know of any pro photog who brings less than 2 cameras to a gig, : event, shoot, wedding, etc. His fees depend on taking photos at the : time needed, not making excuses about failed eqt. Another commercial : photographer nearby always has 3 cameras (sports, medical, etc.). : Another brings 2 identical rigs (everything from cameras to lenses to : lighting) to every wedding. : : The capital is depreciated at 20% per year making it a sliver of annual : revenue. A couple news photogs I know always have 3 cameras, each with : the 1 of the holy trinity lenes mounted. Saves time switching. Those : cameras are owned by the paper, however. (Who still lay it off at : 20%/year). I usually carry two to an event or, say, a building construction tour, where it would be hard to stop and change lenses. But I draw the line there. I can't really imagine how I'd juggle three. I didn't say they took all three out of the car for every event. I actually think that this may have come up in one of the newsgroups some years back and that one of the participants lectured me on how it's possible to carry more than two. But I'm afraid I remain unconvinced. Maybe if I were thirty years younger, ... :^) I've never carried more than 2 and even that's a PITA. Was really a PITA on film as the "story line" would be broken across different rolls of film. Even with digital the sequencing is not linear v. the events. -- "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty." Douglas Adams - (Could have been a GPS engineer). |
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On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:02:22 -0500, Alan Browne
wrote: I've never carried more than 2 and even that's a PITA. Was really a PITA on film as the "story line" would be broken across different rolls of film. Even with digital the sequencing is not linear v. the events. Quite easy to sort/rename etc files via date/timestamp. I don't see how this is a real issue. And yes I do use multiple cameras. |
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"Robert Coe" wrote in message ... On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:53:54 -0500, Alan Browne wrote: : On 2012-02-17 18:06 , David Dyer-Bennet wrote: : : But absolutely having to have two cameras (or three if you believe you : need two working ones to take to a gig) is itself a cost, and a rather : large one. : : I don't know of any pro photog who brings less than 2 cameras to a gig, : event, shoot, wedding, etc. His fees depend on taking photos at the : time needed, not making excuses about failed eqt. Another commercial : photographer nearby always has 3 cameras (sports, medical, etc.). : Another brings 2 identical rigs (everything from cameras to lenses to : lighting) to every wedding. : : The capital is depreciated at 20% per year making it a sliver of annual : revenue. A couple news photogs I know always have 3 cameras, each with : the 1 of the holy trinity lenes mounted. Saves time switching. Those : cameras are owned by the paper, however. (Who still lay it off at : 20%/year). I usually carry two to an event or, say, a building construction tour, where it would be hard to stop and change lenses. But I draw the line there. I can't really imagine how I'd juggle three. I actually think that this may have come up in one of the newsgroups some years back and that one of the participants lectured me on how it's possible to carry more than two. But I'm afraid I remain unconvinced. Maybe if I were thirty years younger, ... :^) Bob Since my camera is a working tool, I find it a requirement to have and carry spares. I shoot the Canon FX (1964-69) 35mm SLR. I have 475 camera bodies and over 600 various lenses for them. I think I'm covered for spares! Ken |
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On 2012-02-18 10:46 , me wrote:
On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:02:22 -0500, Alan Browne wrote: I've never carried more than 2 and even that's a PITA. Was really a PITA on film as the "story line" would be broken across different rolls of film. Even with digital the sequencing is not linear v. the events. Quite easy to sort/rename etc files via date/timestamp. I don't see how this is a real issue. And yes I do use multiple cameras. Where did I say that couldn't be done? What can't be done (conveniently) is frame numbering per the order of the events. (In Bridge IAC). -- "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty." Douglas Adams - (Could have been a GPS engineer). |
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