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Where I keep my spare cats.
On 07/24/2017 12:40 AM, Diesel wrote:
PeterN news Mon, 24 Jul 2017 00:21:36 GMT in rec.photo.digital, wrote: On 7/23/2017 3:05 PM, nospam wrote: snip five is actually rather generous. most people don't even own five computers. Irrelevant. I don't know where this person comes up with most either.. I know quite a few people with more than five computers in their homes. Actual computers in the desktop/tower/laptop sense. More if you include the cells, tablets, etc. I have fifteen functional computers here, all hardwire connected to my network and online. Of those, six are laptops (Dell Latitude E6500), four are desktops (HP dc5800), and five are older towers (Dell & others). All are running Ubuntu Linux, and are perfectly capable of doing whatever task I need done. By nospam's definition, I am "most people". (nospam: "most people don't even own five computers." I don't even own five computers, ergo, I am "most people") -- Ken Hart |
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PeterN Music Tx issue: was Where I keep my spare cats.
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XnsA7BC8D73FB7AHT1@5Ey7Y0WLaPuERU0A05uPw88DhkqXmR dYH29POSXNQp8t9iyKPynW. 27RaAms, Diesel wrote: Please let us know if it works or doesn't for you. I'm suspecting that the DRM (which is why Apple probably told you no) is going to be a problem, but, I admit, I could very well be wrong. you suspect wrong. drm has *nothing* to do with his situation. if he bought the music from the itunes store, he can re-download it. if it's music he extracted from cds (or even pirated), then apple has nothing to do with it. his first mistake was not having a backup of his music library when he got rid of his computer. his second mistake is assuming the music cannot be copied off an ipod. it can. your mistake is talking about things you know nothing about. |
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Where I keep my spare cats.
In article , Ken Hart
wrote: I have fifteen functional computers here, all hardwire connected to my network and online. Of those, six are laptops (Dell Latitude E6500), four are desktops (HP dc5800), and five are older towers (Dell & others). All are running Ubuntu Linux, and are perfectly capable of doing whatever task I need done. you're running a business. most people don't have anywhere close to that in their homes and businesses don't normally buy music for their employees. five is more than enough for nearly every situation and since there's no longer drm, it doesn't actually matter anymore. |
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Where I keep my spare cats.
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XnsA7BC8D6E5FD1HT1@5Ey7Y0WLaPuERU0A05uPw88DhkqXmR dYH29POSXNQp8t9iyKPynW. 27RaAms, Diesel wrote: Realistically, the restrictions creates a problem. Several years ago my daughter gave me an iPod, about half filled with some of my favorite music. The source for the music was my music collection, consisting of some irreplaceable recordings, including original Louis Armstrong, Toscanini, Caruso, Lanza, three different versions of Wagner's first, etc. The original computer that she used is long gone. I would like to transfer the music to my iPhone, and add new music. Apple has told me that it can't be done. I'm sure there is a way. The suggestions on some of the Internet forums has not been very helpful. Realistically, the reality is that you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Don't give me that bull about "most." There are many others who have needs similar to mine. Indeed. DRM is a real ****er isn't it. No decryption key, no tunes. Praise be to Apple for screwing you and countless others like you over, two ways from sunday. /sarcasm off. I meant no offense to you Peter, you've called him out and that brings a smile to my face. drm isn't the issue and no decryption keys needed. you can't see past your hate to understand the actual problem. he didn't back up his music when he got rid of the computer. despite that, he can easily copy the music off the ipod. apple doesn't prevent that. five is actually rather generous. most people don't even own five computers. Irrelevant. I don't know where this person comes up with most either.. I know quite a few people with more than five computers in their homes. Actual computers in the desktop/tower/laptop sense. More if you include the cells, tablets, etc. *very* few have that many computers and cellphones and tablets do not count, along with ipods. |
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On 07/24/2017 08:46 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Hart wrote: I have fifteen functional computers here, all hardwire connected to my network and online. Of those, six are laptops (Dell Latitude E6500), four are desktops (HP dc5800), and five are older towers (Dell & others). All are running Ubuntu Linux, and are perfectly capable of doing whatever task I need done. you're running a business. most people don't have anywhere close to that in their homes and businesses don't normally buy music for their employees. As of 12/31/2014, I am no longer running a business. The laptops and desktop machines were purchased after closing my business. Your reply should have perhaps been: "Are you running a business?", rather than assuming something about which you know nothing. I am a computer hobbyist: I enjoy learning about Linux and networking, and rebuilding older machines. My nephew, OTOH, does run a business, and as a part of his business, does buy music for his employees. He runs a radio station. five is more than enough for nearly every situation and since there's no longer drm, it doesn't actually matter anymore. -- Ken Hart |
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Where I keep my spare cats.
In article , Ken Hart
wrote: I have fifteen functional computers here, all hardwire connected to my network and online. Of those, six are laptops (Dell Latitude E6500), four are desktops (HP dc5800), and five are older towers (Dell & others). All are running Ubuntu Linux, and are perfectly capable of doing whatever task I need done. you're running a business. most people don't have anywhere close to that in their homes and businesses don't normally buy music for their employees. As of 12/31/2014, I am no longer running a business. The laptops and desktop machines were purchased after closing my business. Your reply should have perhaps been: "Are you running a business?", rather than assuming something about which you know nothing. it was a reasonable assumption. I am a computer hobbyist: I enjoy learning about Linux and networking, and rebuilding older machines. that's not a typical scenario and you know it. plus, itunes doesn't run on linux (nor do most mainstream apps) so none of this affects you in any way. My nephew, OTOH, does run a business, and as a part of his business, does buy music for his employees. He runs a radio station. also not a typical scenario. meanwhile, millions and millions of users have one or two computers, not fifteen. and again, even if someone does have 15 computers, not all of them need to be authenticated. it's a non-issue drummed up by haters who haven't used itunes. |
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On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 9:38:39 AM UTC-4, Ken Hart wrote:
On 07/24/2017 08:46 AM, nospam wrote: Ken Hart wrote: I have fifteen functional computers here, all hardwire connected to my network and online. Of those, six are laptops (Dell Latitude E6500), four are desktops (HP dc5800), and five are older towers (Dell & others). All are running Ubuntu Linux, and are perfectly capable of doing whatever task I need done. you're running a business. most people don't have anywhere close to that in their homes and businesses don't normally buy music for their employees. As of 12/31/2014, I am no longer running a business. The laptops and desktop machines were purchased after closing my business. Your reply should have perhaps been: "Are you running a business?", rather than assuming something about which you know nothing. I am a computer hobbyist: I enjoy learning about Linux and networking, and rebuilding older machines. Yes, he worded that poorly, but the basic point still holds that none of us are probably reasonably representative of the overall population. (eg, "The Plural of Anecdote is still not Data") In looking for actual population estimates, the US Census has some decent data, although not readily in a form to answer the question which was being posed ... nevertheless, it is reasonably adequate to address just how common-or-uncommon a "more than 5 home PCs" style of use case is for the Apple DRM question. To this end, two cites (neither of which are particularly current): https://www.bls.gov/opub/btn/archive/more-than-75-percent-of-american-households-own-computers.pdf https://www.census.gov/prod/2013pubs/p20-569.pdf From the first, see Table 1 (Average number of computers owned, Consumer Expenditure Survey, 2000–08), second line: "Mean number of computers - owners only 1.25 1.26 1.31 1.34 1.36 1.43 1.46 1.50 1.55" In simple terms, this is saying that as of the latest datapoint in their report (2008), of households which reported that they had one or more computers, the average (mean) number of "one or more" that they had was 1.55 units. To extrapolate from 2008 to 2017, a KISS linear swag would be a value of roughly +0.05/year, so an extrapolated expected value of around (1.55 + 9*0.05 = 2 units). Now there isn't any variance listed, but it would appear to be pretty self-evident that the overall percentage who exceeds an expected value of ~2 by 200% or more (because +200% would b 2+4 = 6) is pretty damn low... parametrically, probably a +3 sigma event (if not more). Let's kindly avoid making the tail wag the dog. Similarly, from the second source, Table 3 on page 7 has some insight ... the "from multiple devices" and "not from multiple devices" metric. However, this appears to be conflated by mobile smartphones, not just desktops/laptops. And while this table is a bit of a challenge to break down, in simplified distilled form, it says: No Connectivity = 30% (no PC = 16%, hardware with no connection = 14%) No home Connectivity, but connectivity elsewhere (3% + 3%) = 6% Subtracting, home connectivity with 'something': 100% - 30% - 6% = 64% Breaking this 64% down: 14% - only at home, without multiple devices 13% - only at home, but with multiple devices 10% - connectivity home & elsewhere, without multiple devices 27% - connectivity home & elsewhere, but with multiple devices Of these, only the 2nd (13%) & 4th (27%) are categories that state that there's more than one device ... sums to 40%. However, as mentioned, the 'more than one' device could quite readably be a smartphone, which particularly makes sense from the 27% metric of connectivity including away-from-home. As such, this should not be readily assumed to be an indicator of more than one home PC. Nevertheless, this census data does indicate that at least (14% + 10%) = 24% only have a single device. Combining these two sources, it may be able to be implied that if 24% of owners only possess a single device while the mean ownership is (1.55 or 2), then the average number of devices owned by just those who own more than one can be approximated as: (.24) + (1-.24)(M) = 2 (or 1.55 if you prefer) Solving for M, (.76)(M) = 2 - .24 M = (2 - .24)/(.76) M = 2.3 M = Expected value of units owned by those who report owning more than one = 2.3 Given that this is less than half of the DRM "limit 5", it again indicates that a relatively small percentage of all users would statistically be likely to encounter the limit. FWIW, what's probably much more likely is that old PCs get retired off without being properly removed such that over a course of several years of buying new replacement computers (and/or a family household) that the "limit 5" gets encountered. However, since the DRM was later eliminated, this is more of a footnote to a functionally moot point. -hh |
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Where I keep my spare cats.
On 7/24/2017 12:40 AM, Diesel wrote:
PeterN news Mon, 24 Jul 2017 00:21:36 GMT in rec.photo.digital, wrote: On 7/23/2017 3:05 PM, nospam wrote: snip the only limit was for *computers*. the reality is that the majority of users only needs to authorize one computer, the one which hosts their music library and from which they sync their ipods. Realistically, the restrictions creates a problem. Several years ago my daughter gave me an iPod, about half filled with some of my favorite music. The source for the music was my music collection, consisting of some irreplaceable recordings, including original Louis Armstrong, Toscanini, Caruso, Lanza, three different versions of Wagner's first, etc. The original computer that she used is long gone. I would like to transfer the music to my iPhone, and add new music. Apple has told me that it can't be done. I'm sure there is a way. The suggestions on some of the Internet forums has not been very helpful. Realistically, the reality is that you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Don't give me that bull about "most." There are many others who have needs similar to mine. Indeed. DRM is a real ****er isn't it. No decryption key, no tunes. Praise be to Apple for screwing you and countless others like you over, two ways from sunday. /sarcasm off. I meant no offense to you Peter, you've called him out and that brings a smile to my face. five is actually rather generous. most people don't even own five computers. Irrelevant. I don't know where this person comes up with most either.. I know quite a few people with more than five computers in their homes. Actual computers in the desktop/tower/laptop sense. More if you include the cells, tablets, etc. -- PeterN |
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PeterN Music Tx issue: was Where I keep my spare cats.
On 7/24/2017 8:41 AM, nospam wrote:
In article XnsA7BC8D73FB7AHT1@5Ey7Y0WLaPuERU0A05uPw88DhkqXmR dYH29POSXNQp8t9iyKPynW. 27RaAms, Diesel wrote: Please let us know if it works or doesn't for you. I'm suspecting that the DRM (which is why Apple probably told you no) is going to be a problem, but, I admit, I could very well be wrong. you suspect wrong. drm has *nothing* to do with his situation. if he bought the music from the itunes store, he can re-download it. if it's music he extracted from cds (or even pirated), then apple has nothing to do with it. his first mistake was not having a backup of his music library when he got rid of his computer. Yet again you spout without knowing the facts. But keep on. I need to be amused. his second mistake is assuming the music cannot be copied off an ipod. it can. Not the issue. your mistake is talking about things you know nothing about. -- PeterN |
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Where I keep my spare cats.
On 7/24/2017 8:46 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Hart wrote: I have fifteen functional computers here, all hardwire connected to my network and online. Of those, six are laptops (Dell Latitude E6500), four are desktops (HP dc5800), and five are older towers (Dell & others). All are running Ubuntu Linux, and are perfectly capable of doing whatever task I need done. you're running a business. most people don't have anywhere close to that in their homes and businesses don't normally buy music for their employees. five is more than enough for nearly every situation and since there's no longer drm, it doesn't actually matter anymore. -- PeterN |
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