Is there a difference between the use of the word montage vscollage

I looked up the difference between montage and collage
and was confused by the results.

In (Am) English, is there any difference, today, between
the use of montage vs collage?

Here, for example, is one confusing explanation:
http://www.ehow.com/facts_5705493_di...e-collage.html

Yet, this one really confuses me:
http://www.englishforums.com/English...xjzjx/post.htm

But here's one that discerns between the two by media:
http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/as...s-collage.html

Does anyone really know what the difference is between montage & collage?

On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 14:01:43 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:

I looked up the difference between montage and collage
and was confused by the results.

In (Am) English, is there any difference, today, between
the use of montage vs collage?

Here, for example, is one confusing explanation:
http://www.ehow.com/facts_5705493_di...e-collage.html

Yet, this one really confuses me:
http://www.englishforums.com/English...xjzjx/post.htm

But here's one that discerns between the two by media:
http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/as...s-collage.html

Does anyone really know what the difference is between montage & collage?

The real question is why are you concerned with this? In what context.
Does you wish to create one and not the other? You probably could also
add the word mosaic to your conundrum.

On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 10:50:35 -0400 me wrote:

The real question is why are you concerned with this? In what context.
Does you wish to create one and not the other? You probably could also
add the word mosaic to your conundrum.

Well, the rather embarrassingly mundane impetus for the word
was the conundrum of how to describe these "things" that I
recently created in order to help others clean toilet bowls.

http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12671545.jpg
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12671632.png

Are those "things" (created for alt.home.repair earlier this
week), duly named collages, montages, or mosaics?

"Danny D." wrote:

http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12671545.jpg
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12671632.png

Are those "things" (created for alt.home.repair earlier this
week), duly named collages, montages, or mosaics?

No.

What you see is the USA being flushed down the toilet.

On 2013-04-14 12:11:04 -0700, "Danny D." said:

On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 10:50:35 -0400 me wrote:

The real question is why are you concerned with this? In what context.
Does you wish to create one and not the other? You probably could also
add the word mosaic to your conundrum.

Well, the rather embarrassingly mundane impetus for the word
was the conundrum of how to describe these "things" that I
recently created in order to help others clean toilet bowls.

http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12671545.jpg
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12671632.png

Are those "things" (created for alt.home.repair earlier this
week), duly named collages, montages, or mosaics?

I would say that those are a montage.
They are individual photographs arranged on a background. They are not
arranged to create another image from parts of each as I would expect
in a collage. They are not laid out tile-like to form a pattern or
image as one might expect with a mosaic construction.
--
Regards,

Savageduck

Danny D. wrote:
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 10:50:35 -0400 me wrote:

The real question is why are you concerned with this? In what
context. Does you wish to create one and not the other? You probably
could also add the word mosaic to your conundrum.

Well, the rather embarrassingly mundane impetus for the word
was the conundrum of how to describe these "things" that I
recently created in order to help others clean toilet bowls.

http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12671545.jpg
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12671632.png

Are those "things" (created for alt.home.repair earlier this
week), duly named collages, montages, or mosaics?

To me - an former photographer - they are montages because they form a
continuous whole.

If I printed each image individually and pasted them up they would be a
collage. It is a continuous whole but made of obviously separate elements
which could be separated into individual elements again.

If I made tiles of various sizes, shapes and colors and formed them into
your image I would call it a mosaic.

--

dadiOH
____________________________

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replying to dadiOH, Burt wrote:
A collage is a group of images (such as pieces of colored paper) arranged on a
background (such as a piece of drawing paper or a canvas). Once the collage
is made, it stays the same. Montage is a film or movie term and is a
succession of images that change over time. That's the basic difference
between collage and montage... . . .

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On 2013-04-14 07:01:43 -0700, "Danny D." said:

I looked up the difference between montage and collage
and was confused by the results.

In (Am) English, is there any difference, today, between
the use of montage vs collage?

Here, for example, is one confusing explanation:
http://www.ehow.com/facts_5705493_di...e-collage.html

Yet, this one really confuses me:
http://www.englishforums.com/English...xjzjx/post.htm

But here's one that discerns between the two by media:
http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/as...s-collage.html

Does anyone really know what the difference is between montage & collage?

All of the above are correct. Basically a collage is a type, or subset
of a montage.

A montage is an arrangement of various elements of a work on the
background, or support field, that could be paper, canvas, a wall,
film, etc.. A typical "Photo-montage" would be to take several whole
photographs, say 6, or 8 (those are of course just random numbers) and
arrange them randomly on a background surface.
Here is a 12 shot photo-montage;

http://raws.adc.rmit.edu.au/~s326046...00_500x400.jpg


A collage is such an arrangement of elements which are typically
fragments of other whole pieces. The most common type of collage is
where images are cut from whole pictures, photographs, newspaper
clippings, magazines, print advertisements, and other sources. They are
then pasted to chosen background surface to create the finished collage.
This would be described as a collage. It is a method of creating that
sub-set of the montage:

https://mhsartgallerymac.wikispaces....n__collage.jpg


--
Regards,

Savageduck

"Danny D." wrote in message
...

I looked up the difference between montage and collage
and was confused by the results.

It helps to remember how these French words entered the
English language 100 years ago. Both named real activities
for which there were then no words in English viz.:
Collage = making a picture by sticking together various
different fragments. (Colle is French for glue, hence the
verb and back-formed noun collage = gluing.)
Montage was used to identify film editors' methods of
integrating separately filmed sequences in order to
tell a coherent story in a particular way. (Monter is the
French verb for getting ready, the way you mount a
horse, mount a school exhibition, mount a military
operation, etc.)
and both entered everyday English approx. 1920-40.

Half the natural occurences of these words nowadays no
longer concern pictures (still or moving), i.e. are metaphorical.
But some difference is preserved, viz:
Collage means sticking things together
Montage something subtler and less mechanical.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

On 14/04/2013 21:21, Don Phillipson wrote:

(...)
tell a coherent story in a particular way. (Monter is the
French verb for getting ready, the way you mount a
horse, mount a school exhibition, mount a military
operation, etc.)

Getting ready? Ehm... no.

Monter has the following meanings: to ascend to, to climb, to reach, to
increase, to assemble.

Mounting a horse (- to ascend) is quite different from mounting a
military operation (- to assemble)

By extension, a "montage" would be an "assembly"