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Pentax question
In article , John Turco
wrote: Pentax bodies boast much better build quality, than either Canon or Nikon equipment. Even its entry-level DSLR cameras blow away the competition, in this particular respect. definitely not. (I own a Pentax "K100D" and have always been impressed with its fine feel and sturdiness.) nikon and canon have always had a better build than pentax, especially on the higher end bodies, except perhaps for the pentax lx film slr. |
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 07:57:39 +1100, David Hare-Scott wrote:
John A. wrote: On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 18:22:46 -0800 (PST), RichA wrote: On Feb 6, 2:46 pm, Lyndon wrote: I have been using Pentax film cameras for all of my photography life (from the H-1a screw mounts). I currently have the MX camera with many Kmount lenses. I have noticed the K30 pentax camera and am wondering if it will take the K mount lenses and get approx the same results with them. For instance, I have a 24mm lens which is a very wide angle lens. I have been told that earlier dslr cameras could be modified to take such a lens, but it would no longer give 24mm film comparable pictures. Hope this isn't too confusing. But I would like to keep using all my older K mount lens if possible with similar digital result. Lyndon I'm frankly amazed Pentax is still in business. They have a market share that makes Olympus's look big. I can only surmise they have reasonable margins on what they sell. Maybe... http://www.petapixel.com/2012/06/30/...n-dslr-online- buyer-satisfaction/ You will note that the ratings of the top three are very close together. Without some assessment of the statistical spread of the ratings in the sample saying 899 is better than 891 is better than 888 cannot be justified, they might all be within the spread and the differences of no significance. I couldn't see such a measure of significance in the linked full report which doesn't even say what the sample size was, nor is the sampling methodology explained. The footnote to the chart says "rankings were based on numerical scores not statistical significance". A proper survey would be the contrary. This survey is well worth ignoring. David You did notice that Pentax were best except for PICTURE QUALITY. -- Neil Reverse ‘a’ and ‘r’ Remove ‘l’ to get address. |
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John A. wrote:
On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 07:57:39 +1100, "David Hare-Scott" wrote: John A. wrote: On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 18:22:46 -0800 (PST), RichA wrote: On Feb 6, 2:46 pm, Lyndon wrote: I have been using Pentax film cameras for all of my photography life (from the H-1a screw mounts). I currently have the MX camera with many Kmount lenses. I have noticed the K30 pentax camera and am wondering if it will take the K mount lenses and get approx the same results with them. For instance, I have a 24mm lens which is a very wide angle lens. I have been told that earlier dslr cameras could be modified to take such a lens, but it would no longer give 24mm film comparable pictures. Hope this isn't too confusing. But I would like to keep using all my older K mount lens if possible with similar digital result. Lyndon I'm frankly amazed Pentax is still in business. They have a market share that makes Olympus's look big. I can only surmise they have reasonable margins on what they sell. Maybe... http://www.petapixel.com/2012/06/30/...-satisfaction/ You will note that the ratings of the top three are very close together. Without some assessment of the statistical spread of the ratings in the sample saying 899 is better than 891 is better than 888 cannot be justified, they might all be within the spread and the differences of no significance. I couldn't see such a measure of significance in the linked full report which doesn't even say what the sample size was, nor is the sampling methodology explained. The footnote to the chart says "rankings were based on numerical scores not statistical significance". A proper survey would be the contrary. This survey is well worth ignoring. David Even if it only shows that people are as satisfied with Pentax as the leading brands, that's still significant enough. I don't want to beat this to death but as it stands this survey doesn't tell us even that much. "Equal" is just as valid a result as "better" and not at all something to be ignored when considering which brand to go with. It could be equal, better or worse, we don't know. I agree that customer satisfaction ought not be ignored but the survey doesn't say anything useful about it. D |
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Neil Ellwood wrote:
On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 07:57:39 +1100, David Hare-Scott wrote: John A. wrote: On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 18:22:46 -0800 (PST), RichA wrote: On Feb 6, 2:46 pm, Lyndon wrote: I have been using Pentax film cameras for all of my photography life (from the H-1a screw mounts). I currently have the MX camera with many Kmount lenses. I have noticed the K30 pentax camera and am wondering if it will take the K mount lenses and get approx the same results with them. For instance, I have a 24mm lens which is a very wide angle lens. I have been told that earlier dslr cameras could be modified to take such a lens, but it would no longer give 24mm film comparable pictures. Hope this isn't too confusing. But I would like to keep using all my older K mount lens if possible with similar digital result. Lyndon I'm frankly amazed Pentax is still in business. They have a market share that makes Olympus's look big. I can only surmise they have reasonable margins on what they sell. Maybe... http://www.petapixel.com/2012/06/30/...n-dslr-online- buyer-satisfaction/ You will note that the ratings of the top three are very close together. Without some assessment of the statistical spread of the ratings in the sample saying 899 is better than 891 is better than 888 cannot be justified, they might all be within the spread and the differences of no significance. I couldn't see such a measure of significance in the linked full report which doesn't even say what the sample size was, nor is the sampling methodology explained. The footnote to the chart says "rankings were based on numerical scores not statistical significance". A proper survey would be the contrary. This survey is well worth ignoring. David You did notice that Pentax were best except for PICTURE QUALITY. No, I didn't notice Pentax was shown to be better (or worse) on any criterion. I am saying the results are of no significance on the data published. D |
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"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message ... John A. wrote: On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 07:57:39 +1100, "David Hare-Scott" wrote: John A. wrote: On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 18:22:46 -0800 (PST), RichA wrote: On Feb 6, 2:46 pm, Lyndon wrote: I have been using Pentax film cameras for all of my photography life (from the H-1a screw mounts). I currently have the MX camera with many Kmount lenses. I have noticed the K30 pentax camera and am wondering if it will take the K mount lenses and get approx the same results with them. For instance, I have a 24mm lens which is a very wide angle lens. I have been told that earlier dslr cameras could be modified to take such a lens, but it would no longer give 24mm film comparable pictures. Hope this isn't too confusing. But I would like to keep using all my older K mount lens if possible with similar digital result. Lyndon I'm frankly amazed Pentax is still in business. They have a market share that makes Olympus's look big. I can only surmise they have reasonable margins on what they sell. Maybe... http://www.petapixel.com/2012/06/30/...-satisfaction/ You will note that the ratings of the top three are very close together. Without some assessment of the statistical spread of the ratings in the sample saying 899 is better than 891 is better than 888 cannot be justified, they might all be within the spread and the differences of no significance. I couldn't see such a measure of significance in the linked full report which doesn't even say what the sample size was, nor is the sampling methodology explained. The footnote to the chart says "rankings were based on numerical scores not statistical significance". A proper survey would be the contrary. This survey is well worth ignoring. David Even if it only shows that people are as satisfied with Pentax as the leading brands, that's still significant enough. I don't want to beat this to death but as it stands this survey doesn't tell us even that much. "Equal" is just as valid a result as "better" and not at all something to be ignored when considering which brand to go with. It could be equal, better or worse, we don't know. I agree that customer satisfaction ought not be ignored but the survey doesn't say anything useful about it. Actually the results as far as they go do indicate roughly equal, with no statistical difference, but since they appear to be based on a small sample, you are also correct in ignoring them. I certainly wouldn't base my camera choice on such a survey, even one that was properly conducted. Trevor. |
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On 2/9/2013 10:40 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , John Turco wrote: Pentax bodies boast much better build quality, than either Canon or Nikon equipment. Even its entry-level DSLR cameras blow away the competition, in this particular respect. definitely not. I bought my K100D in September of 2007. At the time, and ever since, I've occasionally handled Canon and Nikon display models, in stores. They're surprisingly light and shockingly plasticky, from everything I've seen. In fact, one of them (I forgot which brand) had a fairly large zoom lens attached. Even so, the entire body/lens combo was practically weightless. (I own a Pentax "K100D" and have always been impressed with its fine feel and sturdiness.) nikon and canon have always had a better build than pentax, especially on the higher end bodies, except perhaps for the pentax lx film slr. Really? I'd read that Pentax's optics are the equal of Nikon's and Canon's, at the very least. (Not that it truly matters, anymore, as Pentax has been reduced to relative obscurity.) John |
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In article , John Turco
wrote: Pentax bodies boast much better build quality, than either Canon or Nikon equipment. Even its entry-level DSLR cameras blow away the competition, in this particular respect. definitely not. I bought my K100D in September of 2007. At the time, and ever since, I've occasionally handled Canon and Nikon display models, in stores. They're surprisingly light and shockingly plasticky, from everything I've seen. maybe the low end models are, but the midrange and high end, such as the nikon d3, d4, d3x and canon 1d, 1ds are *not* surprisingly light nor are they shockingly plastic. they're actually rather big and heavy. In fact, one of them (I forgot which brand) had a fairly large zoom lens attached. Even so, the entire body/lens combo was practically weightless. some people like lightweight cameras. others don't. (I own a Pentax "K100D" and have always been impressed with its fine feel and sturdiness.) nikon and canon have always had a better build than pentax, especially on the higher end bodies, except perhaps for the pentax lx film slr. Really? I'd read that Pentax's optics are the equal of Nikon's and Canon's, at the very least. i thought this was about the bodies. anyway, that used to be true. some of the old takumars were excellent. i still have a couple collecting dust. these days, nikon and canon have some amazing lenses, such as the nikon 14-24mm which nikon claims is better than any fixed focal length lens in that range that they made, and tests confirm it. (Not that it truly matters, anymore, as Pentax has been reduced to relative obscurity.) that part is true, unfortunately. |
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"John Turco" wrote in message ... I bought my K100D in September of 2007. At the time, and ever since, I've occasionally handled Canon and Nikon display models, in stores. They're surprisingly light and shockingly plasticky, from everything I've seen. In fact, one of them (I forgot which brand) had a fairly large zoom lens attached. Even so, the entire body/lens combo was practically weightless. Nice combination then if you have to carry it around, and don't intend to use it as a hammer. None of my Canons has yet broken down on me (from 1DS level down to IXUS and video) but the only Pentax I ever bought packed it in with *very* little use. Perhaps bad luck, but didn't impress me much! (I own a Pentax "K100D" and have always been impressed with its fine feel and sturdiness.) nikon and canon have always had a better build than pentax, especially on the higher end bodies, except perhaps for the pentax lx film slr. Really? I'd read that Pentax's optics are the equal of Nikon's and Canon's, at the very least. (Not that it truly matters, anymore, as Pentax has been reduced to relative obscurity.) Exactly, the real problem with once big manufacturers like Pentax, Olympus, Minolta etc is they come and go at whim, often leaving their users stuck with lenses and accessories and no upgrade path. All have produced some good camera's and lenses over the years, but the only ones I'd bet my money on being around in 10+ years are Nikon and Canon. Too expensive to swap all my lenses and flashes every few years :-( Trevor. |
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On 2/11/2013 7:25 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , John Turco wrote: Pentax bodies boast much better build quality, than either Canon or Nikon equipment. Even its entry-level DSLR cameras blow away the competition, in this particular respect. definitely not. I bought my K100D in September of 2007. At the time, and ever since, I've occasionally handled Canon and Nikon display models, in stores. They're surprisingly light and shockingly plasticky, from everything I've seen. maybe the low end models are, but the midrange and high end, such as the nikon d3, d4, d3x and canon 1d, 1ds are *not* surprisingly light nor are they shockingly plastic. they're actually rather big and heavy. In fact, one of them (I forgot which brand) had a fairly large zoom lens attached. Even so, the entire body/lens combo was practically weightless. some people like lightweight cameras. others don't. (I own a Pentax "K100D" and have always been impressed with its fine feel and sturdiness.) nikon and canon have always had a better build than pentax, especially on the higher end bodies, except perhaps for the pentax lx film slr. Really? I'd read that Pentax's optics are the equal of Nikon's and Canon's, at the very least. i thought this was about the bodies. anyway, that used to be true. some of the old takumars were excellent. i still have a couple collecting dust. these days, nikon and canon have some amazing lenses, such as the nikon 14-24mm which nikon claims is better than any fixed focal length lens in that range that they made, and tests confirm it. (Not that it truly matters, anymore, as Pentax has been reduced to relative obscurity.) that part is true, unfortunately. Oh, well...I just hope that Pentax doesn't become a name-only "company" (e.g., Polaroid). John |
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On 2/11/2013 10:33 PM, Trevor wrote:
"John Turco" wrote in message ... I bought my K100D in September of 2007. At the time, and ever since, I've occasionally handled Canon and Nikon display models, in stores. They're surprisingly light and shockingly plasticky, from everything I've seen. In fact, one of them (I forgot which brand) had a fairly large zoom lens attached. Even so, the entire body/lens combo was practically weightless. Nice combination then if you have to carry it around, and don't intend to use it as a hammer. None of my Canons has yet broken down on me (from 1DS level down to IXUS and video) but the only Pentax I ever bought packed it in with *very* little use. Perhaps bad luck, but didn't impress me much! (I own a Pentax "K100D" and have always been impressed with its fine feel and sturdiness.) nikon and canon have always had a better build than pentax, especially on the higher end bodies, except perhaps for the pentax lx film slr. Really? I'd read that Pentax's optics are the equal of Nikon's and Canon's, at the very least. (Not that it truly matters, anymore, as Pentax has been reduced to relative obscurity.) Exactly, the real problem with once big manufacturers like Pentax, Olympus, Minolta etc is they come and go at whim, often leaving their users stuck with lenses and accessories and no upgrade path. All have produced some good camera's and lenses over the years, but the only ones I'd bet my money on being around in 10+ years are Nikon and Canon. Too expensive to swap all my lenses and flashes every few years :-( Trevor. Canon and Nikon are on top, both now and in the foreseeable future. Recall what happened to Kodak, though -- nothing lasts forever! John |
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