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Nikon CoolPix S10 vs. S4
I got interested in a small superzoom (x10) with sweavelable LCD. Hence
my interest in Nikon S10. I could pick up cheaper a refurbished previous model, S4. It has the same sensor and the same lens. Only, S10 has image stabilisation. How important is it to have an image stabilisation ? I am going to take pictures at telephoto end inside of the building which can be moderately or well lit. Thanks for info. |
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Nikon CoolPix S10 vs. S4
"minnesøtti" wrote in message oups.com... I got interested in a small superzoom (x10) with sweavelable LCD. Hence my interest in Nikon S10. I could pick up cheaper a refurbished previous model, S4. It has the same sensor and the same lens. Only, S10 has image stabilisation. How important is it to have an image stabilisation ? I am going to take pictures at telephoto end inside of the building which can be moderately or well lit. Thanks for info. For any superzoom and especially a relatively small one, Vibration Reduction (as Nikon calls its image stabilization) should be enormously important. I was somewhat interested in the S4 when it first came out, but never seriously considered it because of its lack of VR. I just cannot imagine that hand holding a camera with a 380mm (equivalent) lens at the long end would deliver satisfactorily sharp images except perhaps under the very brightest conditions. To me, the S4 was seriously missing something by not having VR. Now that the S10 is here and with VR, I'm very interested in it myself. Since you're planning on indoor photography with the lens at the long end, no matter how well lit the indoor situation is I'd definitely, absolutely, positively go for the S10 rather than the S4 -- no matter how much cheaper the refurbished S4 is. Neil |
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Nikon CoolPix S10 vs. S4
Neil Harrington wrote: "minnesøtti" wrote in message oups.com... I got interested in a small superzoom (x10) with sweavelable LCD. Hence my interest in Nikon S10. I could pick up cheaper a refurbished previous model, S4. It has the same sensor and the same lens. Only, S10 has image stabilisation. How important is it to have an image stabilisation ? I am going to take pictures at telephoto end inside of the building which can be moderately or well lit. Thanks for info. For any superzoom and especially a relatively small one, Vibration Reduction (as Nikon calls its image stabilization) should be enormously important. I was somewhat interested in the S4 when it first came out, but never seriously considered it because of its lack of VR. I just cannot imagine that hand holding a camera with a 380mm (equivalent) lens at the long end would deliver satisfactorily sharp images except perhaps under the very brightest conditions. To me, the S4 was seriously missing something by not having VR. Now that the S10 is here and with VR, I'm very interested in it myself. Since you're planning on indoor photography with the lens at the long end, no matter how well lit the indoor situation is I'd definitely, absolutely, positively go for the S10 rather than the S4 -- no matter how much cheaper the refurbished S4 is. My workplace have a professional photographer. I asked him if it is important for a superzoom to have image stabilisation (IS). He is not a talkative chap. But he said if the telephoto images are taken outside (in a brightly lit environment), then IS is not necessary. If I take telephoto pictures indoor, then a tripod is necessary anyway (i.e., regardless IS or no IS). |
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Nikon CoolPix S10 vs. S4
M-M wrote: In article .com, "minnesøtti" wrote: My workplace have a professional photographer. I asked him if it is important for a superzoom to have image stabilisation (IS). He is not a talkative chap. But he said if the telephoto images are taken outside (in a brightly lit environment), then IS is not necessary. If I take telephoto pictures indoor, then a tripod is necessary anyway (i.e., regardless IS or no IS). I'll bet he never used IS. Today I went to the shop. and checked out both S4 and S10. Indeed, at the maximum magnification (x10), the picture on the LCD preview screen moves because of the hand shaking. If I want to shoot the pictures in the rather dim light (e.g. indoor) and have the sharp pictures most of the time than not, than I definetely need IS (a.k.a. VR). The question is closed. The other difference of S10 from S4 is that it has twice as many pixels in the 2.5" preview screen (230k vs 110k). While it is a pleasant addition, it is not neccesary from my point of view for shooting the pictures. The increased resolution will become necessary only if one wants to demonstrate the captured pictures on the LCD screen. But I do not necessarily want to do it; I have a PC for doing that. S4 appealed to me because it was simple and sturdy, and had AA batteries. That's the kind of camera I want. S10 has a proprietary Li-Ion battery... the camera lost its simplicity appeal because now I would have to worry about keeping another proprietary battery charged on a country or overseas trip. And I would have to worry about somehow getting a replacement battery in 1-2-3 years. |
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Nikon CoolPix S10 vs. S4
"minnesøtti" wrote in message ups.com... M-M wrote: In article .com, "minnesøtti" wrote: My workplace have a professional photographer. I asked him if it is important for a superzoom to have image stabilisation (IS). He is not a talkative chap. But he said if the telephoto images are taken outside (in a brightly lit environment), then IS is not necessary. If I take telephoto pictures indoor, then a tripod is necessary anyway (i.e., regardless IS or no IS). I'll bet he never used IS. Today I went to the shop. and checked out both S4 and S10. Indeed, at the maximum magnification (x10), the picture on the LCD preview screen moves because of the hand shaking. If I want to shoot the pictures in the rather dim light (e.g. indoor) and have the sharp pictures most of the time than not, than I definetely need IS (a.k.a. VR). The question is closed. The other difference of S10 from S4 is that it has twice as many pixels in the 2.5" preview screen (230k vs 110k). While it is a pleasant addition, it is not neccesary from my point of view for shooting the pictures. The increased resolution will become necessary only if one wants to demonstrate the captured pictures on the LCD screen. But I do not necessarily want to do it; I have a PC for doing that. S4 appealed to me because it was simple and sturdy, and had AA batteries. That's the kind of camera I want. S10 has a proprietary Li-Ion battery... the camera lost its simplicity appeal because now I would have to worry about keeping another proprietary battery charged on a country or overseas trip. And I would have to worry about somehow getting a replacement battery in 1-2-3 years. ______________________ Note however that for the S4 you would still want to get NiMH rechargeable AA cells and a charger for them (you would not want to keep buying alkalines), which you would have to buy since they're not supplied with the camera. The S10 does have a proprietary Li-Ion battery, but it comes with the camera along with its charger. They charge pretty fast (typically two hours or less), and you can buy replacement batteries quite cheap on eBay, Buy.com, etc. -- not necessarily Nikon brand, but I've used off-brand batteries in my own Nikons and never yet had any problem. I haven't had a Li-Ion battery fail so far, after several years of using a lot of them. (I have had NiMH rechargeables fail several times.) Even if one does fail after a few years, so what? It'd still be a lot cheaper than buying all those alkalines. And recharging overseas shouldn't be a problem if you get an adapter for the charger. And finally, as far as that refurbished S4 is concerned -- refurbs in my experience are a mixed bag. You might be perfectly satisfied with it and get a real bargain. Or you might not, and have the cost, wasted time and bother of returning it for replacement or refund. "Refurbished" can mean almost anything. Neil |
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Nikon CoolPix S10 vs. S4
Neil Harrington wrote: "minnesøtti" wrote in message ups.com... M-M wrote: In article .com, "minnesøtti" wrote: My workplace have a professional photographer. I asked him if it is important for a superzoom to have image stabilisation (IS). He is not a talkative chap. But he said if the telephoto images are taken outside (in a brightly lit environment), then IS is not necessary. If I take telephoto pictures indoor, then a tripod is necessary anyway (i.e., regardless IS or no IS). I'll bet he never used IS. Today I went to the shop. and checked out both S4 and S10. Indeed, at the maximum magnification (x10), the picture on the LCD preview screen moves because of the hand shaking. If I want to shoot the pictures in the rather dim light (e.g. indoor) and have the sharp pictures most of the time than not, than I definetely need IS (a.k.a. VR). The question is closed. The other difference of S10 from S4 is that it has twice as many pixels in the 2.5" preview screen (230k vs 110k). While it is a pleasant addition, it is not neccesary from my point of view for shooting the pictures. The increased resolution will become necessary only if one wants to demonstrate the captured pictures on the LCD screen. But I do not necessarily want to do it; I have a PC for doing that. S4 appealed to me because it was simple and sturdy, and had AA batteries. That's the kind of camera I want. S10 has a proprietary Li-Ion battery... the camera lost its simplicity appeal because now I would have to worry about keeping another proprietary battery charged on a country or overseas trip. And I would have to worry about somehow getting a replacement battery in 1-2-3 years. ______________________ Note however that for the S4 you would still want to get NiMH rechargeable AA cells and a charger for them (you would not want to keep buying alkalines), which you would have to buy since they're not supplied with the camera. The S10 does have a proprietary Li-Ion battery, but it comes with the camera along with its charger. They charge pretty fast (typically two hours or less), and you can buy replacement batteries quite cheap on eBay, Buy.com, etc. -- not necessarily Nikon brand, but I've used off-brand batteries in my own Nikons and never yet had any problem. I haven't had a Li-Ion battery fail so far, after several years of using a lot of them. (I have had NiMH rechargeables fail several times.) Even if one does fail after a few years, so what? It'd still be a lot cheaper than buying all those alkalines. And recharging overseas shouldn't be a problem if you get an adapter for the charger. And finally, as far as that refurbished S4 is concerned -- refurbs in my experience are a mixed bag. You might be perfectly satisfied with it and get a real bargain. Or you might not, and have the cost, wasted time and bother of returning it for replacement or refund. "Refurbished" can mean almost anything. I wish I could get a camera similar to Nikon S10 (i.e. with swivelable lens) but with a better low-light imaging capability. Either they need to come up with a sensor similar to Fuji's Super CCD, or they need to put a larger sensor. As far as I know there is no superzoom compact with an APC-S sized sensor. |
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Nikon CoolPix S10 vs. S4
minnesøtti wrote:
[] I wish I could get a camera similar to Nikon S10 (i.e. with swivelable lens) but with a better low-light imaging capability. Either they need to come up with a sensor similar to Fuji's Super CCD, or they need to put a larger sensor. As far as I know there is no superzoom compact with an APC-S sized sensor. Why? Look at the Sony DSC-R1 - with only a 120mm f/4.8 lens it ends up being a large and heavy "brute" of a camera. Now imagine it with a lens of over three times the focal length! No-one would buy it. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydscr1/ David |
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