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Old December 23rd 06, 07:33 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
minnesøtti
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Default Sony DSC R1 vs. Samsung Digimax Pro 815

I heard many times on this newsgroup and other forums about a
"superior" Sony R1 camera, and was lusting for it for sometime because
of its good big lens, swivable LCD screen and "semi-professional"
functionalities. Only recently I learnt that there was another camera
of a similar class which had a much better specification (15x zoom vs
5x zoom), huge hi-res LCD screen, and heaps of professional-level
photographic controls. One of the reviewers said that it seemed like
the Koreans took the specifications of a "bridge" camera and
exaggeratingly improved it in every dimension. I must confess that I am
mostly impressed by the cameras with the "exaggerated" functionalities.
I wonder why nobody here talked about Samsung Pro815 ? I could've
learnt about it earlier. The only problem seems to me is that Samsung
Pro815 has a 2/3" CCD sensor, while Sony R1 has an APS-C sized sensor
(just like the dSLRs), and by the moment I realised that I am most
interested in a camera with a high dynamic range and high (low-noise)
sensitivity which comes only with a n APS-C sized sensor.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydscr1/
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/samsungpro815/

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Old December 23rd 06, 07:55 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Sony DSC R1 vs. Samsung Digimax Pro 815


minnesøtti wrote:
I heard many times on this newsgroup and other forums about a
"superior" Sony R1 camera, and was lusting for it for sometime because
of its good big lens, swivable LCD screen and "semi-professional"
functionalities. Only recently I learnt that there was another camera
of a similar class which had a much better specification (15x zoom vs
5x zoom), huge hi-res LCD screen, and heaps of professional-level
photographic controls. One of the reviewers said that it seemed like
the Koreans took the specifications of a "bridge" camera and
exaggeratingly improved it in every dimension. I must confess that I am
mostly impressed by the cameras with the "exaggerated" functionalities.
I wonder why nobody here talked about Samsung Pro815 ? I could've
learnt about it earlier. The only problem seems to me is that Samsung
Pro815 has a 2/3" CCD sensor, while Sony R1 has an APS-C sized sensor
(just like the dSLRs), and by the moment I realised that I am most
interested in a camera with a high dynamic range and high (low-noise)
sensitivity which comes only with a n APS-C sized sensor.


From the reviews on dpreview.com, most actual APS-C sensor DSLR cameras

have better signal/noise ratio than even the Sony DSC-R1.
To my way of thinking, it would be a better idea to get either a Pentax
K100-D, Nikon D70 or Canon XTi than to get either the DSC-R1 or the
Pro815, as these DSLR camera bodies are relatively small and you can
get lenses that will cover most shooting eventualities from all them.
Tamron makes an 18-200mm (27-300mm, 35mm equivalent) zoom for all the
curent DSLR cameras which is probably better than the lens on the
Pro815 with only a slightly lower zoom ratio, 11x for the Tamron Vs 15x
for the Pro815.
Using a DSLR camera also has the advantage that you could change the
lens for something special, such as a super-wide fisheye or macro or
super-telephoto or a fast normal lens.
If you went with Pentax, they also have the nifty little pancake lenses
which make for a truly small package when attached to a K100-D.

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Old December 23rd 06, 09:33 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
minnesøtti
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Default Sony DSC R1 vs. Samsung Digimax Pro 815


wrote:
minnesøtti wrote:
I heard many times on this newsgroup and other forums about a
"superior" Sony R1 camera, and was lusting for it for sometime because
of its good big lens, swivable LCD screen and "semi-professional"
functionalities. Only recently I learnt that there was another camera
of a similar class which had a much better specification (15x zoom vs
5x zoom), huge hi-res LCD screen, and heaps of professional-level
photographic controls. One of the reviewers said that it seemed like
the Koreans took the specifications of a "bridge" camera and
exaggeratingly improved it in every dimension. I must confess that I am
mostly impressed by the cameras with the "exaggerated" functionalities.
I wonder why nobody here talked about Samsung Pro815 ? I could've
learnt about it earlier. The only problem seems to me is that Samsung
Pro815 has a 2/3" CCD sensor, while Sony R1 has an APS-C sized sensor
(just like the dSLRs), and by the moment I realised that I am most
interested in a camera with a high dynamic range and high (low-noise)
sensitivity which comes only with a n APS-C sized sensor.


From the reviews on dpreview.com, most actual APS-C sensor DSLR cameras

have better signal/noise ratio than even the Sony DSC-R1.
To my way of thinking, it would be a better idea to get either a Pentax
K100-D, Nikon D70 or Canon XTi than to get either the DSC-R1 or the
Pro815, as these DSLR camera bodies are relatively small and you can
get lenses that will cover most shooting eventualities from all them.
Tamron makes an 18-200mm (27-300mm, 35mm equivalent) zoom for all the
curent DSLR cameras which is probably better than the lens on the
Pro815 with only a slightly lower zoom ratio, 11x for the Tamron Vs 15x
for the Pro815.
Using a DSLR camera also has the advantage that you could change the
lens for something special, such as a super-wide fisheye or macro or
super-telephoto or a fast normal lens.
If you went with Pentax, they also have the nifty little pancake lenses
which make for a truly small package when attached to a K100-D.


Thanks for reply. dSLRs equipped with good lenses provide a very good
image quality compared with P&S cameras. For example, look at the last
pair of pictures (blue watch faces),
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sams...815/page13.asp . The quality
of the picture made by Canon XT (350D) is sooooo much better than the
quality of the picture made by such a P&S as Pro815. This makes me
wishing to have a dSLR. However, I am a lazy guy. It is hateful for me
to think that I have to carry the lenses and swap 'em if I owned a
dSLR. Hence, an idea of owning Sony R1 appeals to me. I want to be able
to do shots in dark and get noise-free images.

Also, I want to be able to do candid shots. For this, a swiveable LCD
screen is necessary. Sony R1 has one. Samsung Pro815 does not have one,
but it has a second screen on top which can be used as a viewfinder.
So, it may prove to be the ticket.

Today I saw a Pentax K100D in the shop for the first time. It looks to
be of a low-quality build. When I saw it, my interest to K100D
evaporated.

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Old December 23rd 06, 10:49 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Sony DSC R1 vs. Samsung Digimax Pro 815

Also, I want to be able to do candid shots. For this, a swiveable LCD
screen is necessary. Sony R1 has one. Samsung Pro815 does not have one,
but it has a second screen on top which can be used as a viewfinder.
So, it may prove to be the ticket.

Today I saw a Pentax K100D in the shop for the first time. It looks to
be of a low-quality build. When I saw it, my interest to K100D
evaporated.


NHF, but the idea of using Sony R1 for candid shots reminds me of one
James Bond film when he went to (then communist) Bratislava, using his
Aston Martin DB5 as "low profile" transportation :-)

You may want to take a look at Nikon D40, it should provide much better
pictures than Samsung, for a comparable price.

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Old December 23rd 06, 11:37 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Sony DSC R1 vs. Samsung Digimax Pro 815

"minnesøtti" wrote in message
ups.com...
I heard many times on this newsgroup and other forums about a
"superior" Sony R1 camera, and was lusting for it for sometime because
of its good big lens, swivable LCD screen and "semi-professional"
functionalities. Only recently I learnt that there was another camera
of a similar class which had a much better specification (15x zoom vs
5x zoom), huge hi-res LCD screen, and heaps of professional-level
photographic controls. One of the reviewers said that it seemed like
the Koreans took the specifications of a "bridge" camera and
exaggeratingly improved it in every dimension. I must confess that I am
mostly impressed by the cameras with the "exaggerated" functionalities.
I wonder why nobody here talked about Samsung Pro815 ? I could've
learnt about it earlier. The only problem seems to me is that Samsung
Pro815 has a 2/3" CCD sensor, while Sony R1 has an APS-C sized sensor
(just like the dSLRs), and by the moment I realised that I am most
interested in a camera with a high dynamic range and high (low-noise)
sensitivity which comes only with a n APS-C sized sensor.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydscr1/
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/samsungpro815/



I do wish people would stop using the word "Professional" in describing
Camera Functions.

Roy G



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Old December 23rd 06, 09:15 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Alfred Molon
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Default Sony DSC R1 vs. Samsung Digimax Pro 815

In article . com,
minnesøtti" says...
I heard many times on this newsgroup and other forums about a
"superior" Sony R1 camera, and was lusting for it for sometime because
of its good big lens, swivable LCD screen and "semi-professional"
functionalities. Only recently I learnt that there was another camera
of a similar class which had a much better specification (15x zoom vs
5x zoom), huge hi-res LCD screen, and heaps of professional-level
photographic controls. One of the reviewers said that it seemed like
the Koreans took the specifications of a "bridge" camera and
exaggeratingly improved it in every dimension. I must confess that I am
mostly impressed by the cameras with the "exaggerated" functionalities.
I wonder why nobody here talked about Samsung Pro815 ? I could've
learnt about it earlier. The only problem seems to me is that Samsung
Pro815 has a 2/3" CCD sensor, while Sony R1 has an APS-C sized sensor
(just like the dSLRs), and by the moment I realised that I am most
interested in a camera with a high dynamic range and high (low-noise)
sensitivity which comes only with a n APS-C sized sensor.


The R1 is ok, perhaps its lens is better than the one of the Pro 815.
The only issues a

1. RAW files (actually RAW+JPEG) are 23MB, so you'll need fast Memory
sticks because with CF the write time is around 8 seconds.
2. Unfortunately the R1 has a somewhat high dark noise, which means that
you should not use it at ISO 800 and 1600 (ISO 400 is still ok).
3. The AF of the R1 is most of the time (or let's say many times)
unusable in low light. The camera does not focus properly in low light,
it also focuses very slowly in low light and is unable to focus on
moving objects (people) in low light.
4. It's a heavy beast of a camera, so you have to hold it in two hands
to use it. Other cameras can be held in one hand.

But otherwise the camera is ok and the lens is good. An advantage it has
over DSLRs is that the lens is very close to the sensor, because there
is no mirror, which translates into better performance at the wide
angle.
--

Alfred Molon
------------------------------
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http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
Olympus E330 resource - http://myolympus.org/E330/
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Old December 23rd 06, 11:16 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Sony DSC R1 vs. Samsung Digimax Pro 815

minnesøtti wrote:
I heard many times on this newsgroup and other forums about a
"superior" Sony R1 camera, and was lusting for it for sometime because
of its good big lens, swivable LCD screen and "semi-professional"
functionalities. Only recently I learnt that there was another camera
of a similar class which had a much better specification (15x zoom vs
5x zoom), huge hi-res LCD screen, and heaps of professional-level
photographic controls. One of the reviewers said that it seemed like
the Koreans took the specifications of a "bridge" camera and
exaggeratingly improved it in every dimension. I must confess that I am
mostly impressed by the cameras with the "exaggerated" functionalities.
I wonder why nobody here talked about Samsung Pro815 ? I could've
learnt about it earlier. The only problem seems to me is that Samsung
Pro815 has a 2/3" CCD sensor, while Sony R1 has an APS-C sized sensor
(just like the dSLRs), and by the moment I realised that I am most
interested in a camera with a high dynamic range and high (low-noise)
sensitivity which comes only with a n APS-C sized sensor.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydscr1/
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/samsungpro815/


Both cameras are now outmoded. The Sony has a terrific lens with a
reasonably wide zoom range and a limit of 110mm. So, NG for telework.
The Samsung is a lumbering brute of a P&S with a poor record for focus
at the long end of the lens. Had the Samsung stuck to a max zoom
equivalent of 200mm, it would have been a camera in league with the
Olympus C-8080 and the Nikon 8800. As it is, cheap DSLRs have
obsoleted both.

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Old December 24th 06, 11:50 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
minnesøtti
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Default Sony DSC R1 vs. Samsung Digimax Pro 815


Alfred Molon wrote:

The big advantage of the R1 over a DSLR is the live preview and when it
came out it was the first 10MP camera in this price class (if I'm not
mistaken). Then there is the cost issue, i.e. the value of the lens
alone justifies the cost to purchase the entire camera. Get a DSLR lens
as good as the one of the R1 and with the same specifications (24-120,
F2.8-4.8) and you'll see what I mean.


I can currently buy the Sony R1 for US$900 (AU$1000) from the reputable
HK dealer,
http://www.digitalrev.com/en/product...rency_code=USD

I am curious if and when the price drops to US$600. I presume that the
price of the, in fact, outdated R1 will keep under the price of dSLRs,
which are constantly falling. A set of dSLR body and a lens(es) can be
bought for under $1000 (e.g. Nikon D40, Sony A100, Canon 400D). I think
the price for Sony R1 should come down to $600 within a year or less. I
checked eBay -- there are too many offers of the camera, which tells me
there is a sizeable stock of R1's which won't be depleted within a
year. So that the best time to buy Sony R1 with a sizeable saving would
be in 8-10 months. Am I correct in my thinking ?

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Old December 24th 06, 01:53 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Sony DSC R1 vs. Samsung Digimax Pro 815


wrote in message news:1166867380


I want to be able to do candid shots. For this, a swiveable LCD screen is
necessary.


Eh !!

So candid shots were almost impossible before Digital P & S Cameras were
invented. Cartier Bresson, must have had a very very early prototype.

Roy G


 




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