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Olympus OM enthusiasts' digital prayers have been answered ...
On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:47:07 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
: "K W Hart" writes: : : "David Dyer-Bennet" wrote in message : ... : Robert Coe writes: : : "Professional cameras with small sensors" sounds like an oxymoron to me. : Maybe : you're right, but I'm not yet ready to believe it until I see it. : : Well, the world eventually accepted 35mm cameras as a professional : format. : : True that, but improvements in film helped 35mm to become accepted. : And top-quality images from 35mm are not as good as top-quality images from : medium- or large-format cameras can be. : : But they were widely accepted for news coverage in the 1940s; it's not : recent. : : You're quite right that film improvements were important in bringing : them into fashion and such areas. And of course the film improvements : improved the photojournalism, too. : : Absolutely true that the technical quality of larger formats was (is) : better. However, 35mm also had advantages -- you could get much more : real, more natural, pictures of people, and better pictures of action. : For some kinds of photos, those are so important that the larger formats : were pretty much driven out of those fields. They're not much used in : photojournalism even as far back as the 1960s, for example. In the late 1950s and early 1960s there was a striking contrast: Newspaper photographers still used large-format Graphics, and magazine photographers used 35mm. Magazines actually needed better IQ than newspapers did (still the case now), but there it was. Bob |
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Olympus OM enthusiasts' digital prayers have been answered ...
On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:47:07 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet
wrote: "K W Hart" writes: "David Dyer-Bennet" wrote in message ... Robert Coe writes: "Professional cameras with small sensors" sounds like an oxymoron to me. Maybe you're right, but I'm not yet ready to believe it until I see it. Well, the world eventually accepted 35mm cameras as a professional format. True that, but improvements in film helped 35mm to become accepted. And top-quality images from 35mm are not as good as top-quality images from medium- or large-format cameras can be. But they were widely accepted for news coverage in the 1940s; it's not recent. But the same quality shots might not be acceptable today. Printing technology has improved out of sight for all except newspapers. You're quite right that film improvements were important in bringing them into fashion and such areas. And of course the film improvements improved the photojournalism, too. Absolutely true that the technical quality of larger formats was (is) better. However, 35mm also had advantages -- you could get much more real, more natural, pictures of people, and better pictures of action. For some kinds of photos, those are so important that the larger formats were pretty much driven out of those fields. They're not much used in photojournalism even as far back as the 1960s, for example. Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Olympus OM enthusiasts' digital prayers have been answered ...
"Robert Coe" wrote in message ... On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:47:07 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: : "K W Hart" writes: : : "David Dyer-Bennet" wrote in message : ... : Robert Coe writes: : : "Professional cameras with small sensors" sounds like an oxymoron to me. : Maybe : you're right, but I'm not yet ready to believe it until I see it. : : Well, the world eventually accepted 35mm cameras as a professional : format. : : True that, but improvements in film helped 35mm to become accepted. : And top-quality images from 35mm are not as good as top-quality images from : medium- or large-format cameras can be. : : But they were widely accepted for news coverage in the 1940s; it's not : recent. : : You're quite right that film improvements were important in bringing : them into fashion and such areas. And of course the film improvements : improved the photojournalism, too. : : Absolutely true that the technical quality of larger formats was (is) : better. However, 35mm also had advantages -- you could get much more : real, more natural, pictures of people, and better pictures of action. : For some kinds of photos, those are so important that the larger formats : were pretty much driven out of those fields. They're not much used in : photojournalism even as far back as the 1960s, for example. In the late 1950s and early 1960s there was a striking contrast: Newspaper photographers still used large-format Graphics, and magazine photographers used 35mm. Magazines actually needed better IQ than newspapers did (still the case now), but there it was. Bob Could it be that magazines adopted 35mm because at that time color halftone reproductions were made from reversal (slide) film? And 35mm slide film was (and still is) cheaper than 4x5 sheet film, especially if you do exposure bracketing? I won't argue your dates for the changeover from LF to 35mm. But in my experience, I saw 6x6 TLR's in newspaper work a lot. Mostly, I saw MF cameras in journalism when I passed by a mirror! -- Ken Hart |
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Olympus OM enthusiasts' digital prayers have been answered ...
Robert Coe wrote:
In the late 1950s and early 1960s there was a striking contrast: Newspaper photographers still used large-format Graphics, and magazine photographers used 35mm. Magazines actually needed better IQ than newspapers did (still the case now), but there it was. Many newspapers used to come out with several daily editions, and the ability to get a picture on the front page as soon as possible was seen as very important, even if it wasn't actually necessary all that often. You can rush large format by tray developing in Dektol for two minutes, fix for another couple minutes, a quick rinse and print the wet negative. You couldn't do that with miniature film. Peter. -- |
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Olympus OM enthusiasts' digital prayers have been answered ...
On 2012-02-10 10:36 , David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
Robert writes: "Professional cameras with small sensors" sounds like an oxymoron to me. Maybe you're right, but I'm not yet ready to believe it until I see it. Well, the world eventually accepted 35mm cameras as a professional format. True ... A news photog shooting for a paper/news-website could get away with a good P&S for most city assignments these days. -- "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty." Douglas Adams - (Could have been a GPS engineer). |
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Olympus OM enthusiasts' digital prayers have been answered ...
Alan Browne writes:
On 2012-02-10 10:36 , David Dyer-Bennet wrote: Robert writes: "Professional cameras with small sensors" sounds like an oxymoron to me. Maybe you're right, but I'm not yet ready to believe it until I see it. Well, the world eventually accepted 35mm cameras as a professional format. True ... A news photog shooting for a paper/news-website could get away with a good P&S for most city assignments these days. Certainly the technical quality would be entirely adequate for those usses. For many subjects, everything would be fine, as you say. And I'm sure some are doing it. Giving a P&S to a reporter and dropping the photographer, in particular; I've heard many reports of that happening. -- David Dyer-Bennet, ; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera.info |
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