second 20D dies...

This is the second 20D I've had that totally died after changing lenses. No
amount of "battery out", batter in has any effect. Geezz these cameras are
****! Why does it happen in the high season? why on Fridays? Why just before
the second busiest day of my year? Because it can, I guess!

Out with the Amex and into Nikon - or Minolta or anything that actually
keeps working... Not another Canon product will I touch, ever again. They
lie about the life of their photo prints and refuse to accept that the 20D
is a lemon and recall them. Bloody mongrel Japenese company.

Doug

Please elaborate on the circumstances of BOTH failures.

Thanx...
Dave



"Ryadia" wrote in message ...
| This is the second 20D I've had that totally died after changing lenses. No
| amount of "battery out", batter in has any effect. Geezz these cameras are
| ****! Why does it happen in the high season? why on Fridays? Why just before
| the second busiest day of my year? Because it can, I guess!
|
| Out with the Amex and into Nikon - or Minolta or anything that actually
| keeps working... Not another Canon product will I touch, ever again. They
| lie about the life of their photo prints and refuse to accept that the 20D
| is a lemon and recall them. Bloody mongrel Japenese company.
|
| Doug
|
|
|
|

troll alert....

"Ryadia" wrote in message
...
This is the second 20D I've had that totally died after changing lenses.
No
amount of "battery out", batter in has any effect. Geezz these cameras are
****! Why does it happen in the high season? why on Fridays? Why just
before
the second busiest day of my year? Because it can, I guess!

Out with the Amex and into Nikon - or Minolta or anything that actually
keeps working... Not another Canon product will I touch, ever again. They
lie about the life of their photo prints and refuse to accept that the 20D
is a lemon and recall them. Bloody mongrel Japenese company.

Doug

"David H. Lipman" wrote in message
news:cknwd.16$_62.9@trnddc01...
Please elaborate on the circumstances of BOTH failures.

Spoken as a psychiatrist, or photographer?

I sympathise with Ryadia though, it seems an extremely unlucky
situation. My 20D (no battery grip) is fine.

Bart

Spoken as a Senior Engineer. Electronics and computers are my bread and butter.
So put the 20D on the couch :-)

Dave



"Bart van der Wolf" wrote in message
...
|
| "David H. Lipman" wrote in message
| news:cknwd.16$_62.9@trnddc01...
| Please elaborate on the circumstances of BOTH failures.
|
| Spoken as a psychiatrist, or photographer?
|
| I sympathise with Ryadia though, it seems an extremely unlucky
| situation. My 20D (no battery grip) is fine.
|
| Bart
|

Thanx Doug !

Dave




"Ryadia" wrote in message ...
| The first camera would die whenever I changed a (Genuine Canon) lens. Pop
| the battery and it was OK again. It died totally for no reason, in the
| middle of a shoot in the second week of ownership. My dealer agreed to take
| it back and sell me a different model (Canon) camera.
|
| The one that just died, is the first one I bought -10 days before the one
| which died first. Until 2 weeks ago it was fine. Then it flashed all it's
| messages in the middle of a shoot and died. It stayed dead for 3 days. I put
| a battery in it last Monday to send it back to Canon and it booted. I've
| shot 1900 frames with 3 different lenses since then. Yesterday I shot 20
| frames with the flash and today, before I could shoot a frame, it died
| completely and can't be booted.
|
| The only reason I accepted another Canon camera when the first one died was
| my lenses. $2500 for a camera but $15,000 for lenses means changing brands
| is a monster of a decision. Well... I just decided. It might take me a few
| months but I am changing camps.
|
| A lot of people have speculated about the reasons for these (not just mine)
| cameras acting up. I think in my case it is temperature related. It is high
| summer in Australia. Daytime temperatures in Queensland are as often as not
| close to or over 40C - sometimes up to 50C. The cameras get hot internally
| on top of this and their top operating temperature is 44C. I think the flash
| capacitor is interfering with the circuitry and bring the thing to a halt.
| Whatever it is, it just is not good enough in any way, shape or form.
|
| I have a SD9 Sigma that has done over 130,000 frames. Every time one of
| these Canon's ****s itself, guess what bails me out of trouble? One thing I
| know absolutely. Image quality doesn't matter a pinch if you can't deliver
| the photos at the end of the day. The Sigma has it's idiosyncrasies but it
| has reliability on it's side too.
|
| A Minolta Dynax 7D is arriving today *with* a sales rep. I'll tell you
| tomorrow if I decide to keep it!
|
| Doug
|
|
| "David H. Lipman" wrote in message
| news:cknwd.16$_62.9@trnddc01...
| Please elaborate on the circumstances of BOTH failures.
|
| Thanx...
| Dave
|
|
|
| "Ryadia" wrote in message
| ...
| | This is the second 20D I've had that totally died after changing lenses.
| No
| | amount of "battery out", batter in has any effect. Geezz these cameras
| are
| | ****! Why does it happen in the high season? why on Fridays? Why just
| before
| | the second busiest day of my year? Because it can, I guess!
| |
| | Out with the Amex and into Nikon - or Minolta or anything that actually
| | keeps working... Not another Canon product will I touch, ever again.
| They
| | lie about the life of their photo prints and refuse to accept that the
| 20D
| | is a lemon and recall them. Bloody mongrel Japenese company.
| |
| | Doug
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|

The first camera would die whenever I changed a (Genuine Canon) lens. Pop
the battery and it was OK again. It died totally for no reason, in the
middle of a shoot in the second week of ownership. My dealer agreed to take
it back and sell me a different model (Canon) camera.

The one that just died, is the first one I bought -10 days before the one
which died first. Until 2 weeks ago it was fine. Then it flashed all it's
messages in the middle of a shoot and died. It stayed dead for 3 days. I put
a battery in it last Monday to send it back to Canon and it booted. I've
shot 1900 frames with 3 different lenses since then. Yesterday I shot 20
frames with the flash and today, before I could shoot a frame, it died
completely and can't be booted.

The only reason I accepted another Canon camera when the first one died was
my lenses. $2500 for a camera but $15,000 for lenses means changing brands
is a monster of a decision. Well... I just decided. It might take me a few
months but I am changing camps.

A lot of people have speculated about the reasons for these (not just mine)
cameras acting up. I think in my case it is temperature related. It is high
summer in Australia. Daytime temperatures in Queensland are as often as not
close to or over 40C - sometimes up to 50C. The cameras get hot internally
on top of this and their top operating temperature is 44C. I think the flash
capacitor is interfering with the circuitry and bring the thing to a halt.
Whatever it is, it just is not good enough in any way, shape or form.

I have a SD9 Sigma that has done over 130,000 frames. Every time one of
these Canon's ****s itself, guess what bails me out of trouble? One thing I
know absolutely. Image quality doesn't matter a pinch if you can't deliver
the photos at the end of the day. The Sigma has it's idiosyncrasies but it
has reliability on it's side too.

A Minolta Dynax 7D is arriving today *with* a sales rep. I'll tell you
tomorrow if I decide to keep it!

Doug


"David H. Lipman" wrote in message
news:cknwd.16$_62.9@trnddc01...
Please elaborate on the circumstances of BOTH failures.

Thanx...
Dave



"Ryadia" wrote in message
...
| This is the second 20D I've had that totally died after changing lenses.
No
| amount of "battery out", batter in has any effect. Geezz these cameras
are
| ****! Why does it happen in the high season? why on Fridays? Why just
before
| the second busiest day of my year? Because it can, I guess!
|
| Out with the Amex and into Nikon - or Minolta or anything that actually
| keeps working... Not another Canon product will I touch, ever again.
They
| lie about the life of their photo prints and refuse to accept that the
20D
| is a lemon and recall them. Bloody mongrel Japenese company.
|
| Doug
|
|
|
|

This is a legitimate feedback post -- Doug is opinionated but he is NOT a Troll !

If Doug said he had two Canon 20D units fail -- I believe him.

Dave



"Larry" wrote in message news:tLnwd.5458$jn.1306@lakeread06...
| troll alert....
|

Ryadia wrote:

This is the second 20D I've had that totally died after changing lenses. No
amount of "battery out", batter in has any effect. Geezz these cameras are
****! Why does it happen in the high season? why on Fridays? Why just before
the second busiest day of my year? Because it can, I guess!

Don't buy any loto tickets for a while either. I think there is a bad luck
cloud over your head right now.

Out with the Amex and into Nikon - or Minolta or anything that actually
keeps working... Not another Canon product will I touch, ever again. They
lie about the life of their photo prints and refuse to accept that the 20D
is a lemon and recall them. Bloody mongrel Japenese company.

You're the first I've heard with such bad luck.

Cheers,
Alan

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Ryadia wrote:


A Minolta Dynax 7D is arriving today *with* a sales rep. I'll tell you
tomorrow if I decide to keep it!

Wonderful. I reccomend the 80-200 f/2.8 G (and new SSM v. 70-200), 28-70 f/2.8
G, the 100 f/2.8 macro (razor).

I also have and like the 20mm f/2.8, but don't use it enough.

Given the crop factor, however, you might need to adjust your lens choices. The
24-105 is probably a great compromise for a lot of shooting sits.

The 5600HS(D) flash is quite good, and a Maxxum with a pair of those flashes
properly setup off camera will give you great lighting.

I look forward to your eval. of the 7D.

Cheers,
Alan


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