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The Feds Can Now (Probably) Unlock Every iPhone Model In Existence
Davoud wrote:
If you think that you are delusional. You haven't even got a very shallow understanding of SIGINT collection and processing. Persons outside the community know as much about SIGINT as they do about neurosurgery. Less, potentially, as the entire body of knowledge on neurosurgery is publicly available. Are you trying to say that all phones are safe then? Or that some consumer grade phones are safe? Or that none are safe? Get to the point. |
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On 01/03/2018 05:10, ultred ragnusen wrote:
Davoud wrote: If you think that you are delusional. You haven't even got a very shallow understanding of SIGINT collection and processing. Persons outside the community know as much about SIGINT as they do about neurosurgery. Less, potentially, as the entire body of knowledge on neurosurgery is publicly available. Are you trying to say that all phones are safe then? Or that some consumer grade phones are safe? Or that none are safe? Get to the point. No doubt you have read here ..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signals_intelligence The point, I'm sure, is that *NO* 'phone is 'safe' from the eyes and ears of those who are tasked to monitor us. HTH -- David B. |
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wrote: The point, I'm sure, is that *NO* 'phone is 'safe' from the eyes and ears of those who are tasked to monitor us. some are. |
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David_B wrote:
The point, I'm sure, is that *NO* 'phone is 'safe' from the eyes and ears of those who are tasked to monitor us. I know that, and you know that, and anyone who is a logical thinker knows that, but you'll hear /plenty/ of the owners of brand X scream out that their wonderful brand X marketing organization makes them /feel/ safe from those prying eyes. Feelings are all that matter to they who will pay dearly for those wondrous feeling of safety. I liken it to the marketing mother telling the young scared child that the monster can't get out of the closet if she just closes the closet door. That makes the child /feel/ safe. |
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On 01/03/2018 08:52, ultred ragnusen wrote:
David_B wrote: The point, I'm sure, is that *NO* 'phone is 'safe' from the eyes and ears of those who are tasked to monitor us. I know that, and you know that, and anyone who is a logical thinker knows that, but you'll hear /plenty/ of the owners of brand X scream out that their wonderful brand X marketing organization makes them /feel/ safe from those prying eyes. Feelings are all that matter to they who will pay dearly for those wondrous feeling of safety. I liken it to the marketing mother telling the young scared child that the monster can't get out of the closet if she just closes the closet door. That makes the child /feel/ safe. :-D FYI https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/201...ecurity-video/ -- David B. |
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The Feds Can Now (Probably) Unlock Every iPhone Model In Existence
Davoud:
If you think that you are delusional. You haven't even got a very shallow understanding of SIGINT collection and processing. Persons outside the community know as much about SIGINT as they do about neurosurgery. Less, potentially, as the entire body of knowledge on neurosurgery is publicly available. ultred ragnusen: Are you trying to say that all phones are safe then? Or that some consumer grade phones are safe? Or that none are safe? Get to the point. ?? The point is that you know nothing whatsoever about SIGINT. I made that very clear. As for the safety of phones, what I might or might not know about that is not for your eyes. In essence, the safety of your mobile phone lies in the fact that no one is listening. You and your communications are of no importance to the intelligence community. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm |
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On 01/03/2018 14:39, Davoud wrote:
Davoud: If you think that you are delusional. You haven't even got a very shallow understanding of SIGINT collection and processing. Persons outside the community know as much about SIGINT as they do about neurosurgery. Less, potentially, as the entire body of knowledge on neurosurgery is publicly available. ultred ragnusen: Are you trying to say that all phones are safe then? Or that some consumer grade phones are safe? Or that none are safe? Get to the point. ?? The point is that you know nothing whatsoever about SIGINT. I made that very clear. As for the safety of phones, what I might or might not know about that is not for your eyes. In essence, the safety of your mobile phone lies in the fact that no one is listening. You and your communications are of no importance to the intelligence community. What about *ME* and *MY* communications? ;-) -- David B. Testing to see if I'm Kill-filed! |
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The Feds Can Now (Probably) Unlock Every iPhone Model In Existence
Davoud wrote:
As for the safety of phones, what I might or might not know about that is not for your eyes. In essence, the safety of your mobile phone lies in the fact that no one is listening. You and your communications are of no importance to the intelligence community. You /wish/ that were the case the our government doesn't illegally spy on our citizens, but you have to remember /many/ a president has broken the Constitution by ordering our own government to spy on our citizens, illegally. Take, for example, the well-known fact of what J. Edgar Hoover did over a series of presidencies, or that Lyndon Johnson ordered the spying of anti-war demonstrators. Also take, for example, those Cessnas flying daily over our cities, scooping up the IMEIs and locations of tens of thousands of innocent people in each flight. Bear in mind that the actual communication (the very words spoken and the texts sent) of law-abiding US citizens are also scooped up very often by the intelligence community, e.g., on any overseas telephone call to your own grandchildren as they travel abroad. Back to the main point, there is no communication device that is secure. None. Anyone who thinks they have security should just read the Zimmermann telegram, or read about the Purple or JN24 or the black code or ultra enigma communications or even the Cairo diplomatic cables of WWII infamy, where entire extremely well motivated and well funded government bureaucracies /thought/ that their communications were secure, which made them /feel/ safe, just as the owners of brand X mobile devices are made to /feel/ safe, that feeling for which they pay through the nose, and which is vapor. All this doesn't mean we should give up on security; it just means that no mobile device is secure when all of them have the same weak links. |
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The Feds Can Now (Probably) Unlock Every iPhone Model In Existence
David_B wrote:
What about *ME* and *MY* communications? ;-) They are collecting, saving, and analyzing you and your communications, simply because they are vacuuming up everything already and because their triggers are myriad and sundry. For example, have you ever visited a Tails site? Or have you ever used Tor? Or even made a phone call from inside the USA to outside the USA? Or, did you have your phone turned on when that Cessna flew low overhead? etc. All of this means simply that you are being recorded (even now, as we type), where my only point is that no consumer grade mobile communication device is even the least bit secure, despite the hugely successful marketing of Brand X to loyal but naive customers to the contrary. |
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The Feds Can Now (Probably) Unlock Every iPhone Model In Existence
Davoud:
As for the safety of phones, what I might or might not know about that is not for your eyes. In essence, the safety of your mobile phone lies in the fact that no one is listening. You and your communications are of no importance to the intelligence community. ultred ragnusen: Also take, for example, those Cessnas flying daily over our cities, scooping up the IMEIs and locations of tens of thousands of innocent people in each flight. When paranoid conspiracy theories come into the mix I bail out. It would be ridiculous (and needlessly expensive) to collect IMEIs from aircraft in a US city. Back to the main point, there is no communication device that is secure. That isn't true. It may be the case that technically secure communications devices are unavailable to the public. But I repeat that the security of your mobile phone is assured by the fact that no one is listening to you. Bear in mind that the actual communication (the very words spoken and the texts sent) of law-abiding US citizens are also scooped up very often by the intelligence community, e.g., on any overseas telephone call to your own grandchildren as they travel abroad. This brings us to the second reason (after disinterest) that no one is listening. The community would need millions upon millions of employees to target your calls to grandma. It's ludicrous to think that they are monitoring you. Your post points back to my assertion: you know nothing whatsoever about SIGINT collection. You are getting your information from others who know nothing about the subject. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm |
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