What the reviewers don't view...

It's warm and cozy in the perfectly lit studios of most reviewers, but do
you really get a really good "buying advise"?

I don't think so. The 40D Canon I had, seemed OK at first. Trouble started
when I tried to make pictures with any kind of sunlight: the WB was all over
the place and the difference between some shots with the same light,
aperture and subject, sometimes differ as much as one stop!

Here's a picture of the south bank of the river:

http://photos-of-portugal.com/Canon1.JPG

Here's another, exactly the same place and time, just 3 secs apart:

http://photos-of-portugal.com/Canon2.JPG

Now you would think, that the second picture is lighter, because the camera
is more turned to the sun.... BEEP! It's actually turned away from the sun.
But all smart people already understood that, since the picture is of the
south bank ;-)
The exposure increased form 1/400 to 1/250. Close to 1 stop, and the sky is
washed out, including some masts on top of the hill.

Case in point: not one review shows this, because they all use the studio
set-up.
So you'll just have to take a camera out for a spin, before you decide which
is good and which is not.
This one clearly is not.


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Focus

"Focus" wrote in message
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It's warm and cozy in the perfectly lit studios of most reviewers, but do
you really get a really good "buying advise"?

I don't think so. The 40D Canon I had, seemed OK at first. Trouble started
when I tried to make pictures with any kind of sunlight: the WB was all
over the place and the difference between some shots with the same light,
aperture and subject, sometimes differ as much as one stop!

Here's a picture of the south bank of the river:

http://photos-of-portugal.com/Canon1.JPG

Here's another, exactly the same place and time, just 3 secs apart:

http://photos-of-portugal.com/Canon2.JPG

Now you would think, that the second picture is lighter, because the
camera is more turned to the sun.... BEEP! It's actually turned away from
the sun.
But all smart people already understood that, since the picture is of the
south bank ;-)
The exposure increased form 1/400 to 1/250. Close to 1 stop, and the sky
is washed out, including some masts on top of the hill.

Case in point: not one review shows this, because they all use the studio
set-up.
So you'll just have to take a camera out for a spin, before you decide
which is good and which is not.
This one clearly is not.

PS CS3 left the full EXIF in a bitbucket :-)
The center points of the picture is different, that may be the culprit.

"Focus" wrote in message
...
It's warm and cozy in the perfectly lit studios of most reviewers, but do
you really get a really good "buying advise"?

I don't think so. The 40D Canon I had, seemed OK at first. Trouble started
when I tried to make pictures with any kind of sunlight: the WB was all
over the place and the difference between some shots with the same light,
aperture and subject, sometimes differ as much as one stop!

Here's a picture of the south bank of the river:

http://photos-of-portugal.com/Canon1.JPG

Here's another, exactly the same place and time, just 3 secs apart:

http://photos-of-portugal.com/Canon2.JPG

Now you would think, that the second picture is lighter, because the
camera is more turned to the sun.... BEEP! It's actually turned away from
the sun.
But all smart people already understood that, since the picture is of the
south bank ;-)
The exposure increased form 1/400 to 1/250. Close to 1 stop, and the sky
is washed out, including some masts on top of the hill.

Case in point: not one review shows this, because they all use the studio
set-up.
So you'll just have to take a camera out for a spin, before you decide
which is good and which is not.
This one clearly is not.

Buy a clue! The light is clearly different, it appears the sun broke out
from the clouds. The studio is the best place to test and compare cameras as
natural daylight is too variable and unreliable

"OldBoy" wrote in message
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"Focus" wrote in message
...
It's warm and cozy in the perfectly lit studios of most reviewers, but do
you really get a really good "buying advise"?

I don't think so. The 40D Canon I had, seemed OK at first. Trouble
started when I tried to make pictures with any kind of sunlight: the WB
was all over the place and the difference between some shots with the
same light, aperture and subject, sometimes differ as much as one stop!

Here's a picture of the south bank of the river:

http://photos-of-portugal.com/Canon1.JPG

Here's another, exactly the same place and time, just 3 secs apart:

http://photos-of-portugal.com/Canon2.JPG

Now you would think, that the second picture is lighter, because the
camera is more turned to the sun.... BEEP! It's actually turned away from
the sun.
But all smart people already understood that, since the picture is of the
south bank ;-)
The exposure increased form 1/400 to 1/250. Close to 1 stop, and the sky
is washed out, including some masts on top of the hill.

Case in point: not one review shows this, because they all use the studio
set-up.
So you'll just have to take a camera out for a spin, before you decide
which is good and which is not.
This one clearly is not.

PS CS3 left the full EXIF in a bitbucket :-)
The center points of the picture is different, that may be the culprit.

Not when you use evaluative metering. Centre weighed or spot: yes,
understandable. Not good, but understandable ;-)

I uploaded straight out of DPP, no change.
Just reload.
I think now it's even worse.


--
Focus

"OldBoy" wrote in message
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PS CS3 left the full EXIF in a bitbucket :-)
The center points of the picture is different, that may be the culprit.

There's something stranger than just that going on here. The aspect between
the two pix is different, and not from just having the centre point on a
slightly different spot. They are clearly not taken from exactly the same
place. One of the pix seems squished somehow - try overlaying any one point
on one of the pix onto the same point on the other and you will see what I
mean. The amount of angular change of position might accont for this.
Strange.

Steve

"Steve" wrote
...

"OldBoy" wrote in message
...

PS CS3 left the full EXIF in a bitbucket :-)
The center points of the picture is different, that may be the culprit.

There's something stranger than just that going on here. The aspect
between the two pix is different, and not from just having the centre
point on a slightly different spot. They are clearly not taken from
exactly the same place. One of the pix seems squished somehow - try
overlaying any one point on one of the pix onto the same point on the
other and you will see what I mean. The amount of angular change of
position might accont for this. Strange.

Steve



The OP wrote that the pix were taken in the same light.
Looks to me the first was in hazy light and in the second the sun had come
through fully.

"TRoss" wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 May 2008 14:21:40 +0100, "Focus" wrote:

It's warm and cozy in the perfectly lit studios of most reviewers, but do
you really get a really good "buying advise"?

I don't think so. The 40D Canon I had, seemed OK at first. Trouble started
when I tried to make pictures with any kind of sunlight: the WB was all
over
the place and the difference between some shots with the same light,
aperture and subject, sometimes differ as much as one stop!

Here's a picture of the south bank of the river:

http://photos-of-portugal.com/Canon1.JPG

Here's another, exactly the same place and time, just 3 secs apart:

http://photos-of-portugal.com/Canon2.JPG

Now you would think, that the second picture is lighter, because the
camera
is more turned to the sun.... BEEP! It's actually turned away from the
sun.
But all smart people already understood that, since the picture is of the
south bank ;-)
The exposure increased form 1/400 to 1/250. Close to 1 stop, and the sky
is
washed out, including some masts on top of the hill.

Case in point: not one review shows this, because they all use the studio
set-up.
So you'll just have to take a camera out for a spin, before you decide
which
is good and which is not.
This one clearly is not.


Just curious. Is the camera set up for auto exposure bracketing?
Shooting in Aperture Priority with a 1-stop AEP will give you the
results you got.


LOL! I think I would remember going thru the menu and putting it on AEB.
Besides, then I would have 3 different ones.

Maybe it's SEB: Surprise Exposure Bracketing ;-)


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Focus

"G Paleologopoulos" wrote in message
news:1211474580.693519@athprx04...
"Steve" wrote
...

"OldBoy" wrote in message
...

PS CS3 left the full EXIF in a bitbucket :-)
The center points of the picture is different, that may be the culprit.

There's something stranger than just that going on here. The aspect
between the two pix is different, and not from just having the centre
point on a slightly different spot. They are clearly not taken from
exactly the same place. One of the pix seems squished somehow - try
overlaying any one point on one of the pix onto the same point on the
other and you will see what I mean. The amount of angular change of
position might accont for this. Strange.

Steve



The OP wrote that the pix were taken in the same light.
Looks to me the first was in hazy light and in the second the sun had come
through fully.

Nope. Not a cloud in the sky. look at where there's a space between the
houses. Right above there's a bush with shadow. looks the same in both pics,
but of course less bright. Same at the front of the ship. There's a little
reflection from the top and a little lower. Same in both.


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Focus

On 2008-05-22 11:13:31 -0700, "Focus" said:


"TRoss" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 22 May 2008 14:21:40 +0100, "Focus" wrote:

It's warm and cozy in the perfectly lit studios of most reviewers, but do
you really get a really good "buying advise"?

I don't think so. The 40D Canon I had, seemed OK at first. Trouble started
when I tried to make pictures with any kind of sunlight: the WB was all
over
the place and the difference between some shots with the same light,
aperture and subject, sometimes differ as much as one stop!

Here's a picture of the south bank of the river:

http://photos-of-portugal.com/Canon1.JPG

Here's another, exactly the same place and time, just 3 secs apart:

http://photos-of-portugal.com/Canon2.JPG

Now you would think, that the second picture is lighter, because the
camera
is more turned to the sun.... BEEP! It's actually turned away from the
sun.
But all smart people already understood that, since the picture is of the
south bank ;-)
The exposure increased form 1/400 to 1/250. Close to 1 stop, and the sky
is
washed out, including some masts on top of the hill.

Case in point: not one review shows this, because they all use the studio
set-up.
So you'll just have to take a camera out for a spin, before you decide
which
is good and which is not.
This one clearly is not.


Just curious. Is the camera set up for auto exposure bracketing?
Shooting in Aperture Priority with a 1-stop AEP will give you the
results you got.


LOL! I think I would remember going thru the menu and putting it on AEB.
Besides, then I would have 3 different ones.

Maybe it's SEB: Surprise Exposure Bracketing ;-)

Not true. If the drive setting is at one shot you will move through the
brackets one at a time.


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thepixelfreak

"Focus" wrote in message
...

"G Paleologopoulos" wrote in message
news:1211474580.693519@athprx04...
"Steve" wrote
...

"OldBoy" wrote in message
...

PS CS3 left the full EXIF in a bitbucket :-)
The center points of the picture is different, that may be the culprit.

There's something stranger than just that going on here. The aspect
between the two pix is different, and not from just having the centre
point on a slightly different spot. They are clearly not taken from
exactly the same place. One of the pix seems squished somehow - try
overlaying any one point on one of the pix onto the same point on the
other and you will see what I mean. The amount of angular change of
position might accont for this. Strange.

Steve



The OP wrote that the pix were taken in the same light.
Looks to me the first was in hazy light and in the second the sun had
come through fully.

Nope. Not a cloud in the sky. look at where there's a space between the
houses. Right above there's a bush with shadow. looks the same in both
pics, but of course less bright. Same at the front of the ship. There's a
little reflection from the top and a little lower. Same in both.

The light on the building and boats is clearly different, look at the
highlights and shadows. Exposure can't create that.