Does any other program (windows or linux) do screenshot annotationefficiently?

Danny D. wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 01:56:31 -0400 nospam wrote:

but when have facts mattered to linux zealots anyway.

Actually, I'm not a Linux zealot.

To nospam everyone who disagrees on OS choice is a linux zealot.
Because only nospam is sane and everyone driving correctly is
a wrong-way driver to nospam.

The main reason I'm on Linux is simply that I had replaced my hard disk
and the PC manufacturer wouldn't give me a replacement installation disk
for Windows (even though the license stickers were on the bottom of the PC).

MS has for quite a while offered their installation disks for
download --- for free --- via Digital River
(http://msft.digitalrivercontent.net/win/....iso)

Google finds them just fine. And MS' knowledge base tells
you it's legit.

So I put Linux on instead - and I've never looked back.

But unlike Linux you'll have to find and install every
mainboard, graphics card, ethernet etc.etc.etc. driver yourself.
You'll love collecting all the CDs and DVDs and trying to get
to the internet, just because it's Windows.


Oh, and at least Windows7 will reformat a partition with the
boot flag for UEFI --- even when it knows it shouldn't touch
*that* HDD at all, even when it had a complete HDD to install
itself upon. Cost me lots of time. Thanks, stupid Microsoft.

For example, installing iTunes (freeware but also bloatware), takes
quite a long time, adds hidden daemons (such as bonjour & apple device
services),

those *have* to be installed for itunes to work.

Trust me that you can live perfectly well _without_ iTunes!

You can live perfectly well without iPhone, iPod, iTunes and
all and any computers.

I know that because I have what I consider to be one of the most organized
software hierarchies in the history of PCs. Absolutely nothing is organized
by brand name, for instance. And, my menus exactly mirror my installation
hierarchy, 1:1, like God meant them to.

Which God? Seth, Apep or Eris?

-Wolfgang

Danny D. wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 00:17:22 -0400 nospam wrote:

the point is he only looked at free solutions, ignoring a whole class
of apps just because he's too cheap to spend a couple bucks on quality
software. how much did he really save by wasting so many hours without
finding a solution?

The canonical rule in all software whenever you have a task to accomplish,
is to first perform that task in freeware - and then - only when you
can't possibly perform it in freeware - by then - you know enough to
figure out what features in the payware are worth paying for.

Wrong. Much as it pains me ... this is only true if your
own time is infinite and costs nothing, there's no need for
standardisation in your organisation, there's no additional
cost in training and support ...

Many people have an (at least) basic knowledge with MS Office,
but not with libreOffice. Assuming that there's no problems
with interoperability at all, the cost of training and
supporting the average worker[1] on libreOffice can easily
outweight the cost of buying the proprietary software.

Much as it pains me ...

Again, if you have a friend or colleague who's experienced in
some software but not in another and you're not well versed
in computers or that kind of software, it may well be cheaper
and much less frustrating to buy the software where you get
cheap or free support ...

.... and by asking these experienced people first and then
following their directions you save many many hours of
unproductive work. Even if you're really cheap, you usually
come out well ahead that way.

For example, if you need to burn a DVD, on Windows, you try imgburn.
Likewise, on Linux, you'd try K3b or Brasero to burn DVDs.

.... if you insisted dumbly on a GUI, that is.

-Wolfgang

[1] and you probably can't underestimate, no matter how hard you
try, how many of them can't transfer knowledge or how hard it
is for many of them to use something where the menu positions
are different or the buttons have different names.

Tony Cooper wrote:

I am beyond contract with my mobile phone provider, and they keep
sending me letters that I can get a "free" phone if I re-up. I can
get an iPhone4 for 99 cents. However, the minimum data plan required
is 300 mg at $30 a month, or 3 gigs at $40 a month. Nothing in
between.

That's a cute little phone, but - try as I might - I can't see what
I'd do with it. Searching my memory, I can't think of a single
instance in recent months where I would have liked to have a smart
phone.

So you do carry a dedicated navigation system with you all
the time, and never had the need to kill time waiting by e.g.
browsing news or photos, nor ever had to look up a number, an
address or a description of a thing or procedure or find a
doctor or usable eating place while outside town?

Well, of course, if you never *had* a smart phone and really
used it, you're not likely to understand what you might need it
for; just as someone who only ever had a camera phone probably
won't ever understand what a big, bulky DSLR may be useful for.


Google the "Blub Paradox". It's another domain (computer
languages), but the exactly same effect --- things you take
for granted and use you don't want to live without, things
you don't use and understand are merely complicated and you
don't get what they might be useful for.

"There's a world market for maybe 5 computers" (ok, it's
usually misattributed, but there were sentiments by several
computer specialists along these lines.)

Who needs the internet anyway?

My son has an iPhone and a zillion apps. He went through his apps
with me the other night, and I didn't see one that interested me.

I don't understand what people get out of Facebook. I don't
do Facebook (there are also political reasons for that).

I don't really understand Twitter. I don't do Twitter.

But I *do* understand that I can grok these things only if I
use them. Same as the Facebook and Twitter crowd at large
will never understand Usenet.

-Wolfgang

Danny D. wrote:
On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 23:02:12 -0700 Savageduck wrote:

In Photoshop they are added to a unique layer as a vector graphic

This is a very useful feature that I've never seen in the
freeware mentioned.

Good thing that the Gimp isn't freeware, then, but FOSS.
(Paths are vectors)

It allows a series of custom arrows to be cut and pasted so that
they're consistent.

For which you don't need vector graphics, since you don't
want to scale them.

That's nice - and NOT in the freeware feature set! (AFAIK)

Just another proof that you need to spend *much* more time
with the 'freeware' and really learn them.

-Wolfgang

Danny D. wrote:
On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:57:33 +0100 bugbear wrote:

Try googling screenshot annotation
if that's what you want, rather than "proving" that image
editors aren't screenshot annotators.

Interesting point, especially when it comes to freeware.

It's quite obvious. DSLRs are very very bad hammers. I have
tried hammering nails in with about every make and they are
very expensive and come apart much too easily. Someone told me
I should google for hammers and use one. Interesting point ...

Since you're experienced with freeware, you're aware that the goal
is to have as few programs as possible that get the job done.

Actually, the goal is to have lots of small programs that do
*one* thing, do it *very* well and do it *completely* --- and
have all these small programs interoperate with each other.

As an example: Take listing file names. Think "Windows
Explorer" showing you what's in a directory. Read through
http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutil...nvocation.html
and all of it's subpages, and tell me how little of that the
Windows Exporer can actually do.

The main job for screenshot editors, is, basically, the following
[ ] Crop (preferably with an option for standard aspect ratios such as 4:3)

Not really.

[ ] Read & convert to/from desired formats (certainly jpg, gif, & png)

Not at all.

[ ] Cut & paste & move objects on the screen (layers & transparency are helpful)

Nope, that's image manipulation.

[ ] Annotate text (with standard font, color, & transparency options)

Probably

[ ] Circle objects (again, with standard color, thickness, & shape options)

Probably

[ ] Point to objects (this is the hardest of all features to find in freeware)

Probably

[ ] blur sections of the screen shot
[ ] blacken or grey out sections of the screen shot

(think SSNs, phone numbers, names, passwords, ...)

Since most image editors handle most of those tasks, my point is
contrary to yours, in that I feel image editors can certainly perform
screenshot annotations.

Sure, you can draw arrows and elipses and circles and write
texts. You can also use a bicycle to ride across the USA.
A plane does get you across much faster, though.


However, the hardest feature to find in freeware image editors is
the "arrowing" feature. In fact, on Linux, I still have never found
an image editor that handles arrows anywhere near as well as Paint.NET
does on Windows.

That's probably because Paint.NET is a painting program (the
name is quite a hint) and Inkscape and Gimp etc are not.
You can of course judge cars by the number of cup holders,
instead of accelleration, top speed (assuming you don't have
a global speed limit), off road capability, passengers,
luggage compartment size, MPG, cost, ... but if you're rating
cars then as "how well do they perform to let people sit in
them while partying" they don't come off as good as chairs
and tables.

And, on Windows, no other image editor handles arrows as well as
Paint.NET does. Why not? I'm not sure - but kudos to whomever it is
that wrote Paint.NET as only they understood arrows.

Or maybe you don't understand how to use these programs.

Have you at least googled gimp arrow? Guess not.

I'm told, from the professional folks on a.g.p that Photoshop and
Elements handle arrows well, so, again, we have the case that image
editors can certainly perform screenshot annotation tasks.

Sure, cars can also provide seating at a party.

I will take a look at the screenshot annotators for Linux, but, from
a quick scan,

.... you can't tell.

most seem to concentrate on the image-capture task, which
is so trivial to accomplish at a single keyclick on all operating
systems that I have to wonder why they promote the capture task so
much.

That is because some people may want to capture only the
current screen (with a multi-monitor setup and the desktop
spanning serveral screens), active window, with or without
window decoration or some freely chosen rectangular or freehand
region, after some seconds for performing some action therein,
with or without hiding the cursor, in a lossy or lossless
format, at a certain image quality, into the clipboard or
into a file (and where) or send it directly to some program
(like an image editor or an uploader), ...
(That's the feature list of a real, existing, *simple*
screenshot capturing program under Linux).

As I said: one thing, but thoroughly.
If you can tell me how to do that all with just one keyclick ...
preferably on a machine you're accessing via VNC on a remote
X display ...

But I'll take a look & report back, just in case there's a good
one out there on Linux just waiting to be discovered.

-Wolfgang

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-Wolfgang

In article , Wolfgang
Weisselberg wrote:

but when have facts mattered to linux zealots anyway.

Actually, I'm not a Linux zealot.

To nospam everyone who disagrees on OS choice is a linux zealot.
Because only nospam is sane and everyone driving correctly is
a wrong-way driver to nospam.

completely false. very few use linux as their desktop os and of those,
not all are linux zealots.

linux for servers and embedded systems is a totally different story.

So I put Linux on instead - and I've never looked back.

But unlike Linux you'll have to find and install every
mainboard, graphics card, ethernet etc.etc.etc. driver yourself.
You'll love collecting all the CDs and DVDs and trying to get
to the internet, just because it's Windows.

other way around. linux is where you have to find and install drivers
and/or end user software, some of which may not even exist or is
written by end users because the manufacturer can't justify supporting
linux. too few users to matter.

windows and mac os include drivers for common peripherals. for hardware
that doesn't have a built-in driver, one comes in the box or it's
easily downloaded. it's rarely a problem.

In rec.photo.digital Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
p-0''0-h the cat (ES) wrote:

p-0.0-h the cat

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On 4 May 2013 09:46:44 GMT, Chris Malcolm
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In rec.photo.digital Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
p-0''0-h the cat (ES) wrote:

p-0.0-h the cat

Attention new posters. Bewa ACF is under attack by a small number of
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These are my recommendations to filter their malicious trollspam

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I have individual.net in my path.

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Eric Stevens

Eric Stevens posted Sat, 04 May 2013 22:36:57 +1200


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ccountrynet especially this one
individual.net
easynews.com
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I have individual.net in my path.

... and I have easynews.com in mine. So too do a number of other
regular subscribers.

So do I use eternal-september.org

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with blue eyes,
brown trousers
or sport shoes,

if I was robbed by guys when
some had blue eyes,
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and some sport shoes.

sarcasm:
Especially the sport shoes are important
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If you see anybody jogging in sport shoes,
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