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Sanyo Xacti HD2 Camcorder Review
Peter,
I certainly am not an expert on this camera, but there is nothing to say that these 2 statements are contradictory. One relates to recording rate, the other to playback rate. I assume your concern is the apparent disagreement between 30fps and 60fps? This camera could, for example, make 60 fps recordings, but at playback time "skip" every 2nd frame, playing back therefore at 30 fps. Smarty "Peter Niemayer" wrote in message ... wrote: Sanyo Xacti HD2 Camcorder Review [...] One question: The tech specs. at http://www.sanyo-xacti.com/produkte/....asp?Xacti=HD2 claim that the HD2 is capable of recording clips at 640x480 in _60_fps. The manual, downloadable at the same page: http://www.sanyo-xacti.com/support/m..._Kamera_en.pdf says 30 fps is the maximum and even states at page 78: * Video clips recorded using model VPC-HD1A or VPC-HD1 with the mode set to XXX (640 x 480 pixels, 60 fps) will be played back on this camera at a resolution of 640 x 480 pixels and frame rate 30 fps. Either of those two statements must be wrong. Can you tell us which statement is true? Regards, Peter Niemayer |
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Sanyo Xacti HD2 Camcorder Review
Smarty wrote:
Peter, I certainly am not an expert on this camera, but there is nothing to say that these 2 statements are contradictory. One relates to recording rate, the other to playback rate. I assume your concern is the apparent disagreement between 30fps and 60fps? This camera could, for example, make 60 fps recordings, but at playback time "skip" every 2nd frame, playing back therefore at 30 fps. If the HD2 was able to record 60fps (in whatever mode), the manual would certainly name that mode - as it names all the others (page 74, page 77 etc.) - but it doesn't. So from the manual it seems there's no way to record 60fps. And the fact that it mentions 60fps clips only to say that such recorded by the HD1(a) cannot be replayed at 60fps is a another indication that this feature is missing, right? So while you are formally right that the cited sentence alone would not rule out 60fps recordings, it seems very likely that this feature is gone. That's why I ask (somebody who actually own a HD2 already)... Regards, Peter Niemayer |
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Sanyo Xacti HD2 Camcorder Review
Peter,
Also, since the older VPC-HD1A model may have a different file format or recording format, the newer HD2 may only allow older files to be played back at this downsampled 30 fps speed by "skipping" every other frame. Smarty "Peter Niemayer" wrote in message ... wrote: Sanyo Xacti HD2 Camcorder Review [...] One question: The tech specs. at http://www.sanyo-xacti.com/produkte/....asp?Xacti=HD2 claim that the HD2 is capable of recording clips at 640x480 in _60_fps. The manual, downloadable at the same page: http://www.sanyo-xacti.com/support/m..._Kamera_en.pdf says 30 fps is the maximum and even states at page 78: * Video clips recorded using model VPC-HD1A or VPC-HD1 with the mode set to XXX (640 x 480 pixels, 60 fps) will be played back on this camera at a resolution of 640 x 480 pixels and frame rate 30 fps. Either of those two statements must be wrong. Can you tell us which statement is true? Regards, Peter Niemayer |
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Sanyo Xacti HD2 Camcorder Review
If the contradiction is between the spec saying 60 and the manual saying
otherwise (a max of 30), you have not provided this quote from the manual to show such a contradiction. Is there indeed a statement in the manual which explicitly states that the camera only can record up to 30, and not 60 fps? Smarty "Smarty" wrote in message ... Peter, Also, since the older VPC-HD1A model may have a different file format or recording format, the newer HD2 may only allow older files to be played back at this downsampled 30 fps speed by "skipping" every other frame. Smarty "Peter Niemayer" wrote in message ... wrote: Sanyo Xacti HD2 Camcorder Review [...] One question: The tech specs. at http://www.sanyo-xacti.com/produkte/....asp?Xacti=HD2 claim that the HD2 is capable of recording clips at 640x480 in _60_fps. The manual, downloadable at the same page: http://www.sanyo-xacti.com/support/m..._Kamera_en.pdf says 30 fps is the maximum and even states at page 78: * Video clips recorded using model VPC-HD1A or VPC-HD1 with the mode set to XXX (640 x 480 pixels, 60 fps) will be played back on this camera at a resolution of 640 x 480 pixels and frame rate 30 fps. Either of those two statements must be wrong. Can you tell us which statement is true? Regards, Peter Niemayer |
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Sanyo Xacti HD2 Camcorder Review
For whatever it is worth, the only samples from this camera on the web
(mostly from Japan) are all 29.97 fps (mpeg4) files. I would imagine that 60fps samples would be posted if the camera were truly able to record at that rate. Smarty "Smarty" wrote in message ... If the contradiction is between the spec saying 60 and the manual saying otherwise (a max of 30), you have not provided this quote from the manual to show such a contradiction. Is there indeed a statement in the manual which explicitly states that the camera only can record up to 30, and not 60 fps? Smarty "Smarty" wrote in message ... Peter, Also, since the older VPC-HD1A model may have a different file format or recording format, the newer HD2 may only allow older files to be played back at this downsampled 30 fps speed by "skipping" every other frame. Smarty "Peter Niemayer" wrote in message ... wrote: Sanyo Xacti HD2 Camcorder Review [...] One question: The tech specs. at http://www.sanyo-xacti.com/produkte/....asp?Xacti=HD2 claim that the HD2 is capable of recording clips at 640x480 in _60_fps. The manual, downloadable at the same page: http://www.sanyo-xacti.com/support/m..._Kamera_en.pdf says 30 fps is the maximum and even states at page 78: * Video clips recorded using model VPC-HD1A or VPC-HD1 with the mode set to XXX (640 x 480 pixels, 60 fps) will be played back on this camera at a resolution of 640 x 480 pixels and frame rate 30 fps. Either of those two statements must be wrong. Can you tell us which statement is true? Regards, Peter Niemayer |
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Sanyo Xacti HD2 Camcorder Review
Smarty wrote:
If the contradiction is between the spec saying 60 and the manual saying otherwise (a max of 30), you have not provided this quote from the manual to show such a contradiction. How would one quote a non-existing statement? Is there indeed a statement in the manual which explicitly states that the camera only can record up to 30, and not 60 fps? No, but there's neither any explanation of how one would enter a 60fps recording mode. "Proving" that the 60fps mode is non-existing within the HD only according to the existing manual is as impossible as proving the non-existence of any deity from a set of ancient books... :-) Regards, Peter Niemayer PS: Of course I asked this question to the Sanyo-support, too, I'll let you know if I ever get an answer. |
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Sanyo Xacti HD2 Camcorder Review
Peter Niemayer wrote in
: Smarty wrote: If the contradiction is between the spec saying 60 and the manual saying otherwise (a max of 30), you have not provided this quote from the manual to show such a contradiction. How would one quote a non-existing statement? Is there indeed a statement in the manual which explicitly states that the camera only can record up to 30, and not 60 fps? No, but there's neither any explanation of how one would enter a 60fps recording mode. "Proving" that the 60fps mode is non-existing within the HD only according to the existing manual is as impossible as proving the non-existence of any deity from a set of ancient books... :-) Regards, Peter Niemayer PS: Of course I asked this question to the Sanyo-support, too, I'll let you know if I ever get an answer. Meanwhile, remember that 30 frames per second NTFS records 60 fields per second. Did you possibly misread a statement regarding *fields* as *frames*? Those things do happen :-) -- Gene E. Bloch (Gino) ... letters617blochg3251 (replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom") |
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Sanyo Xacti HD2 Camcorder Review
On Tue, 08 May 2007 12:48:30 -0500, in 'rec.video.desktop',
in article Sanyo Xacti HD2 Camcorder Review, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: Peter Niemayer wrote in : Smarty wrote: If the contradiction is between the spec saying 60 and the manual saying otherwise (a max of 30), you have not provided this quote from the manual to show such a contradiction. How would one quote a non-existing statement? Is there indeed a statement in the manual which explicitly states that the camera only can record up to 30, and not 60 fps? No, but there's neither any explanation of how one would enter a 60fps recording mode. "Proving" that the 60fps mode is non-existing within the HD only according to the existing manual is as impossible as proving the non-existence of any deity from a set of ancient books... :-) Regards, Peter Niemayer PS: Of course I asked this question to the Sanyo-support, too, I'll let you know if I ever get an answer. Meanwhile, remember that 30 frames per second NTFS records 60 fields per second. Did you possibly misread a statement regarding *fields* as *frames*? Those things do happen :-) Sort of like typing "NTFS" instead of "NTSC". Those things do happen :-) -- Frank, Independent Consultant, New York, NY [Please remove 'nojunkmail.' from address to reply via e-mail.] Read Frank's thoughts on HDV at http://www.humanvalues.net/hdv/ |
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Sanyo Xacti HD2 Camcorder Review
Peter,
Well, it seems the only question you have been asking from the start but never explicitly stated is simply whether this HD2 camcorder can or cannot record 60 fps. I was initially trying to understand your stated concerns, which you expressed as what the specs said, versus what the manual said, and their apparent contradiction. Obviously you cannot provide a nonexistent statement from the manual. The fact that is does not exist may be altogether clear to someone like yourself who apparently has the manual to read, but its' absence is not the slightest bit obvious to someone like myself who has neither the camera or the manual but was merely trying to help you. Smarty "Peter Niemayer" wrote in message ... Smarty wrote: If the contradiction is between the spec saying 60 and the manual saying otherwise (a max of 30), you have not provided this quote from the manual to show such a contradiction. How would one quote a non-existing statement? Is there indeed a statement in the manual which explicitly states that the camera only can record up to 30, and not 60 fps? No, but there's neither any explanation of how one would enter a 60fps recording mode. "Proving" that the 60fps mode is non-existing within the HD only according to the existing manual is as impossible as proving the non-existence of any deity from a set of ancient books... :-) Regards, Peter Niemayer PS: Of course I asked this question to the Sanyo-support, too, I'll let you know if I ever get an answer. |
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Sanyo Xacti HD2 Camcorder Review
"Smarty"
Well, it seems the only question you have been asking from the start but never explicitly stated is simply whether this HD2 camcorder can or cannot record 60 fps. Obviously you cannot provide a nonexistent statement from the manual. The fact that is does not exist may be altogether clear to someone like yourself It's out of my patience...) Couple minutes in Google helped me to find some docs about this device. Enjoy!-) To simplify the search click Ctrl-F and then enter 60, you will find it out in several places yourself. http://www.steves-digicams.com/2006_reviews/hd1a.html 640x480 MPEG-4 movies @ 60fps or 30fps with stereo audio Video: HD [HD-SHQ] 1280 x 720 (30 fps, 9 Mbps) [HD-HQ] 1280 x 720 (30 fps, 6 Mbps) SD [TV-HR] 640 x 480 (60 fps, 6 Mbps) [TV-SHQ] 640 x 480 (30 fps, 3 Mbps) [TV-HQ] 640 x 480 (30 fps, 2 Mbps) [Web-SHQ] 320 x 240 (30 fps) [Web-HQ] 320 x 240 (15 fps) What else do you need? Just D. |
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