Evil Apple in trouble again

In article
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Whisky-dave wrote:

you mean the part I didn;t include as it cost extra IIRC

it's not an extra cost.

http://www.apple.com/uk/itunes/itune...g-icd-imc-itun
esmatch

With iTunes Match, all your music — even songs you’ve imported from
CDs — can be stored in iCloud. So you can access your music from all
your devices and listen to your entire library, wherever you are.
Subscribe for just £21.99 a year

itunes plus, the drm-free format that has been available for several
years, is not an extra cost. that's what was discussed in the terms of
service you cited.

itunes match is something different. it's $25/year and lets you keep
your music in the cloud and at a possible better quality than what you
currently have, i.e., a free upgrade.

For me that's an extra cost

itunes match is an extra cost. itunes plus is not and it's now the
standard format for when you buy music on the itunes store.

I've yet to engage in iTunes match and that is for stuff you already
own legally.

and illegally too. itunes match is a cheap way to 'go legit' with
pirated music.

No it isn;t you can;t go legit with pirated music due to the T&C.
If you 'steal' something from a company and no one realises and
you sell it on or give it away that doesn;t make it legit.
You might be less likely to be cause by swapping yuor illegal copy
with a downloded version but that doesn;t make you legit.

if you use itunes match on pirated music, you will have legitimate
access to a copy of it in the cloud. of course, you still are guilty of
pirating the music in the first place, but now the record companies
made a few bucks that they otherwise wouldn't have.

Don;t forget legally these tracks are an update NOT a replacment for
non purchesed music

the matched songs replace what you have.

(vi) iTunes Plus Products do not contain security technology that
limits your usage of such products,

I do not have itunes plus dont; even know what the exact differnce is.

if you bought music on the itunes store after they dropped drm (or
converted earlier purchases to be drm-free), you have itunes plus.

In which case I don't I've only ever brought 2 albums and a couple of
tacks and that was 5 years ago.

non-plus had drm, and you can upgrade to drm-free itunes plus if you
want.

you could easily change the playlist (just change the order of the
songs) and now it's a new playlist which will reset the counter. change
it back to the original playlist and you reset it again. repeat.

I've never rtried that but a playlist with one track how would that
work, or a playlist of an whole album.

either works. a playlist can be any length, but obviously, if you are
going to burn a playlist you need to limit it to what will fit on the
disc.

I'm not sure how the DRM worked original it certainyl allowed me to
burn the track
as a space on the CD was made with the same track time as the music
but the CD was silent indicating that
purhase the date/music and been copied but copied at ZERO volume.

the original drm prevented it from being played in anything that was
not authorized with your account/pw. you could burn it to a cd, at
which point it no longer had drm. you could then import it back and
reencode it to mp3 or aac and it would no longer have drm.

the idea is to prevent people from mass producing pirated cds but not
bother those who just want a couple of copies to listen in the car or
on their home sound system.

exaclty and previously before itunes you weren;t allowed to do that,
you had to but another copy for your car or tape.
The first and only time I was fooled into that was I brought "Pin ups"
by David Bowie

and people bashed apple for drm, when it was actually *less* intrusive
than what came before.

On 2012-04-21 10:25 , nospam wrote:

Don;t forget legally these tracks are an update NOT a replacment for
non purchesed music

the matched songs replace what you have.

Hmm. So given that I've loaded a couple hundred CD's onto iTunes which
it encoded at 192 kbps (itunes best import quality setting), if I
subscribe to match will it replace the copies on my computer with the
256 kbps AAC versions?

And then, after a year, when I don't renew "match" will the 256 kbps
versions remain?

(Let's not discuss whether my ears would even detect the difference).

--
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
I said I didn't know."
-Samuel Clemens.

In article , Alan Browne
wrote:

Don;t forget legally these tracks are an update NOT a replacment for
non purchesed music

the matched songs replace what you have.

Hmm. So given that I've loaded a couple hundred CD's onto iTunes which
it encoded at 192 kbps (itunes best import quality setting), if I
subscribe to match will it replace the copies on my computer with the
256 kbps AAC versions?

it won't replace anything unless you tell it to, and itunes best
quality is actually 320k (you have to manually set that though).

if it matches a song, it grants you access to a 256k version on apple's
servers, which can be streamed to a device that may not have sufficient
capacity to hold all your music, such as an iphone.

you can optionally delete the copy on your hard drive and replace it
with the matched 256k version by downloading it. you can also leave
everything in the cloud and free up whatever disk space you were using
for storing music.

And then, after a year, when I don't renew "match" will the 256 kbps
versions remain?

matched songs go away on the cloud, but any matched songs you
downloaded will remain on your hard drive.

anything you purchased from the itunes store is always available,
independent of match.

On 2012-04-21 13:48 , nospam wrote:
In article48CdnUyfQ5HKcQ_SnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@giganews. com, Alan Browne
wrote:

Don;t forget legally these tracks are an update NOT a replacment for
non purchesed music

the matched songs replace what you have.

Hmm. So given that I've loaded a couple hundred CD's onto iTunes which
it encoded at 192 kbps (itunes best import quality setting), if I
subscribe to match will it replace the copies on my computer with the
256 kbps AAC versions?

it won't replace anything unless you tell it to, and itunes best
quality is actually 320k (you have to manually set that though).

if it matches a song, it grants you access to a 256k version on apple's
servers, which can be streamed to a device that may not have sufficient
capacity to hold all your music, such as an iphone.

you can optionally delete the copy on your hard drive and replace it
with the matched 256k version by downloading it. you can also leave
everything in the cloud and free up whatever disk space you were using
for storing music.

And then, after a year, when I don't renew "match" will the 256 kbps
versions remain?

matched songs go away on the cloud, but any matched songs you
downloaded will remain on your hard drive.

anything you purchased from the itunes store is always available,
independent of match.

Interesting. Could be worth it. But I doubt (esp. the way I use
iTunes) that I'd hear the difference.

--
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
I said I didn't know."
-Samuel Clemens.

In article
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Whisky-dave wrote:

Itunes plus does not let you download tracks you haven't purchased
from Apple.

who said it did? the issue was about drm music and making cds.

itunes match is something different. it's $25/year and lets you keep
your music in the cloud and at a possible better quality than what you
currently have, i.e., a free upgrade.

a free upgrade for $25 a year yep thats free I guess.

it's $25 for the match service. upgrades to 256k are free if your copy
is lower quality.

the original drm prevented it from being played in anything that was
not authorized with your account/pw. you could burn it to a cd, at
which point it no longer had drm. you could then import it back and
reencode it to mp3 or aac and it would no longer have drm.

Which wasn't legal way of obtaining the music curcimventing the drm
didn't allow you to make a legal copy, just a copy.

it was not only legal but fully supported by apple.

In article
,
Whisky-dave wrote:

the original drm prevented it from being played in anything that was
not authorized with your account/pw. you could burn it to a cd, at
which point it no longer had drm. you could then import it back and
reencode it to mp3 or aac and it would no longer have drm.

Which wasn't legal way of obtaining the music curcimventing the drm
didn't allow you to make a legal copy, just a copy.

it was not only legal but fully supported by apple.

Apple can;t support such things.

they can and they did.

In article
,
Whisky-dave wrote:

the original drm prevented it from being played in anything that was
not authorized with your account/pw. you could burn it to a cd, at
which point it no longer had drm. you could then import it back and
reencode it to mp3 or aac and it would no longer have drm.

Which wasn't legal way of obtaining the music curcimventing the drm
didn't allow you to make a legal copy, just a copy.

it was not only legal but fully supported by apple.

Apple can;t support such things.

they can and they did.

They didn;t .

yes they did, but now that there's no drm that part is no longer needed.

The T&Cs state that yuo must have a legal version of the track.
Yopu have to click on the agree tab, which means you agree with Apples
terms.

buying a track means you legally own it.

You hereby agree to use iTunes Match only for lawfully acquired
content. Any use for illegitimate content infringes the rights of
others and may subject you to civil and criminal penalties, including
possible monetary damages, for copyright infringement.

i'm not talking about itunes match.

In article
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Whisky-dave wrote:

Which wasn't legal way of obtaining the music curcimventing the
drm didn't allow you to make a legal copy, just a copy.

it was not only legal but fully supported by apple.

Apple can;t support such things.

they can and they did.

They didn;t .

yes they did, but now that there's no drm that part is no longer needed.

It is still needed as it's a recent addition called itunes match is
wasn;t needed before.

itunes match is something else entirely. this is about drm music which
no longer is sold.

The T&Cs state that yuo must have a legal version of the track.
Yopu have to click on the agree tab, which means you agree with Apples
terms.

buying a track means you legally own it.

yes it does and getting an ilegal copy from naster or wherever wasn;t
legal then and it still isn;t legal.

i didn't say that was legal.

You hereby agree to use iTunes Match only for lawfully acquired
content. Any use for illegitimate content infringes the rights of
others and may subject you to civil and criminal penalties, including
possible monetary damages, for copyright infringement.

i'm not talking about itunes match.

Then what are you talking about ?.

when music from the itunes store had drm (several years ago), you could
burn a cd and import the music back and have a drm-free copy. i even
remember a tech note on this, but as i said, since there's no more drm
there's no need to bother doing it.

In article
,
Whisky-dave wrote:

Which wasn't legal way of obtaining the music curcimventing
drm didn't allow you to make a legal copy, just a copy.

it was not only legal but fully supported by apple.

Apple can;t support such things.

they can and they did.

They didn;t .

yes they did, but now that there's no drm that part is no longer needed.

It is still needed as it's a recent addition called itunes match is
wasn;t needed before.

itunes match is something else entirely. this is about drm music which
no longer is sold.

No you were talking about itunes match and stated that yuo can legally
upgrade your pirated music, you can't legally but you can do it in the real
world.

that was a separate topic in the same thread.

The T&Cs state that yuo must have a legal version of the track.
Yopu have to click on the agree tab, which means you agree with Apples
terms.

buying a track means you legally own it.

yes it does and getting an ilegal copy from naster or wherever wasn;t
legal then and it still isn;t legal.

i didn't say that was legal.

So if it isnb;lt legal you really shouldn;t use itunes match to get an
upgraded copy, althopugh obviously it can be done.

you shouldn't, but the reality is that most people have pirated music
and itunes match is one way to monetize that.