The RPE35mm charter vs Auction ads, website promos, FS ads & the Shoot-In.

[Crossposted to news.groups,rec.photo.equipment.35mm, followups set to
news.groups only.]

Kibo informs me that "Steve Young" bowtieATbrightdslDOTnet stated
that:
"Alan Browne" wrote
False. It does have poor wording, but all sales announcements are
prohibited (except for marketplace). in two parts:
I) In the GENERAL Rules, the following is stated:
( http://bobatkins.photo.net/info/charter.htm )

Hahaha, you're so easily bamboozled Alan.
That's a 3rd party FAQ, compiled some years after origination of the two
groups of concern.
No comment below, as it's a ruse and not the charters.

Okay Steve, I've had enough of your moronic claims that Ebay ads are
permitted by the RPE3 charter, & that the Shoot-In isn't.

As usual Steve, you're full of it. Here's the *official*, archived copy
of CFD & charter for the rec.photo.* hierarchy re-org:
ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/news.an...c.photo-reorg2
It includes the charter for the rec.photo hierarchy, which explicitly
states that it covers *every* group in that hierarchy, & the more
specific charters for each of those sub-groups.

And guess what, Steve? - Alan's summary is completely accurate.

If you actually take a break from crossposting peoples personal details
around Usenet for long enough to sit down & read this document, (& yes,
it is the version that won the official *democratic* vote, & yes, it
still stands), you'll find that it *proves* that your nit-picking is
just as moronically wrong as everyone has been telling you for the last
year or so.

First off - Your idiotic claims that auction ads, 'Camera FS' ads &
'Vote for my crappy photo!' ads are on-topic in any of the rec.photo
discussion groups:
The *hierarchy* charter first states that rec.photo.marketplace is the
only place where *non-commercial* ads are on-topic, & makes the
distinction clear by pointing out that *commercial* ads are banned even
there as well. Just that fact alone is enough for anyone with
high-school grasp of the English language to understand that it clearly
bans *all* kinds of ads *or promotions* in the rec.photo.* discussion
groups, & that they may only be posted in the .marketplace groups. Even
in .marketplace, the proponent takes pains to specifically point out
that the ban on commercial ads includes .marketplace as well, making it
very clear to anyone capable of out-thinking a goldfish that commercial
ads are completely banned in the entire hierarchy, & that the only
permissible place for *personal*, photography-related ads is in the
..marketplace.
So we don't need to change the RP3 to ban any of that crap, because
it's *already banned*.

Secondly: Your equally idiotic claims that photography-related
activities like the Shoot-In are so egregiously off-topic that they
should be banned, & can only be made acceptable by changing the charter:
The charter explicitly defines as on-topic literally *anything* related
to 35mm cameras, lenses & bodies. Unlike your insane rantings about
charters, the Shoot-It *does* relate to:
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"Aspects of 35mm camera equipment.
This includes 35mm SLR camera bodies and lenses, 35mm point-and-shoot
cameras, 35mm rangefinder cameras, 35mm scale focus cameras and
35mm half-frame cameras."
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And as most Shoot-In participants (including myself) use 35mm equipment
for their entries, & generally discuss that equipment in the [SI]
threads in the group, that makes them at least minimally on-topic. OTOH,
the kind of non-photographic drivel with which *you* pollute the photo
groups doesn't even come /that/ close to talk about 35mm camera
equipment, so by your very own arguments *you are more off-topic* than
the Shoot-In that you keep on whining & bleating about - exactly as we
have all been telling you since the first moment you & your foul-mouthed
anonymous alter-ego first started screeching about it.
So it turns out that the RPE3 charter is permissive enough that we no
more need to screw around with the RPE3 charter to 'permit' the Shoot-In
than we do to 'permit' the usual vaguely-camera-related chat about film
types, flash guns, or lighting techniques that's considered perfectly
acceptable within the group.

Additionally, I notice that the rec.photo.equipment.misc charter
*specifically* points out that is intended for discussion of
photographic equipment that is not covered by one of the other equipment
groups, such as tripods, bags, etc, & that such equipment should be
posted there, rather than in RPE3, or any of the other equipment groups.
Logically, this means that discussions of camera bags, tripods, etc are
actually *more* off-topic in RPE3 than the Shoot-In. So, Mr Pot, the
next time you wish to call one of the Shoot-In participants an off-topic
kettle, I suggest that you save up your bile & lay in wait for them to
commit the horrific crime of talking about a tripod or camera bag in
RPE3, rather than moving the thread to RPEM. That way, you'll look
/slightly/ less of a hypocrite than you do when you stamp your little
feet about the Shoot-In offending your oh-so-pure sensibilities.

Btw, I didn't see anything authorizing the off topic Shoot In.

There's nothing in the charter that specifically authorises deranged,
off-topic blather about creating Utopian Usenet democracies either, but
that sure hasn't stopped you from stinking up the photo groups with it
either, you drooling idiot.

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Lionel wrote:

[typical bull****]

Ignore this cretin Lionel Lauer. He is a confessed date rapist that
works for Obsidian Consulting of Melbourne Australia (down under)

Lionel wrote:

[typical bull****]

Ignore this cretin Lionel Lauer. He is a confessed date rapist that
works for Obsidian Consulting of Melbourne Australia (down under)

"Rob Kelk" wrote in message
...

Lionel wrote:


You should be thrown in jail for such slander.

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"Rob Kelk" wrote in message
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Lionel wrote:


You should be thrown in jail for such slander.

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Matt Clara
www.mattclara.com

Rob Kelk wrote:

Nothing at all. A forgery. He's a regular in news.groups, which was
deleted by the forger.

I am not adding it back as there's enough noise there already.

--
John McWilliams

Lionel wrote:

ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/news.an...c.photo-reorg2

Thanks for that link Lionel... I didn't have the original.

Cheers,
Alan

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Lionel wrote:

ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/news.an...c.photo-reorg2

Thanks for that link Lionel... I didn't have the original.

Cheers,
Alan

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Alan Browne wrote in
:

Thanks for that link Lionel... I didn't have the original.

Ditto. I don't see anything forbidding the SI in there.

Hey David Dyer-Bennet, damn, you've been around for a long time, dude. I
see that you voted for most of the groups in that proposal. I also see that
they posted all the e-mail addresses without any protection from spammers
back then.

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Alan Browne wrote in
:

Thanks for that link Lionel... I didn't have the original.

Ditto. I don't see anything forbidding the SI in there.

Hey David Dyer-Bennet, damn, you've been around for a long time, dude. I
see that you voted for most of the groups in that proposal. I also see that
they posted all the e-mail addresses without any protection from spammers
back then.

--
"We are twice armed if we fight with faith." (Plato)

-Richard Cockburn