help with Kodak 2D 8x10 groundglass

I recently bough a fixer-upper Kodak 2D 8x10 wood camera and have
repaired the bellows and refinished the wood. My problem now is that
it didn't have a ground glass with it. I have a local glass company
who said they could make a frosted/ground glass to replace it if I
could find the glass dimensions. So, can anyone help me with the
dimensions of the ground glass (length, width, thickness?) Also, are
the corners "clipped" like some groundglasses I've seen? Is it
"ground" on just one side? If just one side, which side goes OUT
towards your eye?
I know there are aftermarket groundglasses that can be purchased (at
high cost, though) - my local glass company says it will cost me under
$10 if I provide them the dimesions. Since this is a fixer-upper
project, I'd like to do it as inexpensively as possible - if you know
of another inexpensive source (for 2D 8x10 glass) please let me know.
Thank you for your time!
~Chase~

"Chase Martin" wrote in message
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I recently bough a fixer-upper Kodak 2D 8x10 wood camera and have
repaired the bellows and refinished the wood.

Welcome back, Chase.

[...] I have a local glass company
who said they could make a frosted/ground glass to replace it if I
could find the glass dimensions. So, can anyone help me with the
dimensions of the ground glass (length, width, thickness?) Also, are
the corners "clipped" like some groundglasses I've seen? Is it
"ground" on just one side? If just one side, which side goes OUT
towards your eye?

First, you can get ground glass for $9 to $19 on e-bay. There are two people
in particular who make it. I chose the less expensive and bought two for my
2D. They were a bit large, but trimming glass is _very_ easy. Don't be
afraid. Go for it. Regarding the corners, I would clip them for two reasons:
First, it's an easy way to tell if your image circle extends to the edge
(just peek through) and second it makes it a little quicker to move the
bellows in and out (it lets air in/out faster.)

Since this is a fixer-upper
project, I'd like to do it as inexpensively as possible - if you know
of another inexpensive source (for 2D 8x10 glass) please let me know.

There was an article in View Camera magazine a few issues back about making
your own. It didn't look very difficult.

"Chase Martin" wrote in message
...
I recently bough a fixer-upper Kodak 2D 8x10 wood camera and have
repaired the bellows and refinished the wood. My problem now is that
it didn't have a ground glass with it. I have a local glass company
who said they could make a frosted/ground glass to replace it if I
could find the glass dimensions. So, can anyone help me with the
dimensions of the ground glass (length, width, thickness?) Also, are
the corners "clipped" like some groundglasses I've seen? Is it
"ground" on just one side? If just one side, which side goes OUT
towards your eye?
I know there are aftermarket groundglasses that can be purchased (at
high cost, though) - my local glass company says it will cost me under
$10 if I provide them the dimesions. Since this is a fixer-upper
project, I'd like to do it as inexpensively as possible - if you know
of another inexpensive source (for 2D 8x10 glass) please let me know.
Thank you for your time!
~Chase~

"Vladamir30" wrote in message
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Since this is a fixer-upper
project, I'd like to do it as inexpensively as possible - if you know
of another inexpensive source (for 2D 8x10 glass) please let me know.

There was an article in View Camera magazine a few issues back ...

AAAARRRRRGGGHHH!

They evewy where!

Hiya JJ-

Thanks for the info. I hopped on Ebay and found the $19.95 guy.
Sounds good, but he would like to have the dimesions for the 2D glass.
I'll order one from him, but will look around for those dimesions for
a day or two to save him and me some work.
Anyone have a 2D 8x10 gg that you could measure for me?
Thanks,
~Chase~


On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:50:02 -0500, "jjs" wrote:


"Chase Martin" wrote in message
.. .
I recently bough a fixer-upper Kodak 2D 8x10 wood camera and have
repaired the bellows and refinished the wood.

Welcome back, Chase.

[...] I have a local glass company
who said they could make a frosted/ground glass to replace it if I
could find the glass dimensions. So, can anyone help me with the
dimensions of the ground glass (length, width, thickness?) Also, are
the corners "clipped" like some groundglasses I've seen? Is it
"ground" on just one side? If just one side, which side goes OUT
towards your eye?

First, you can get ground glass for $9 to $19 on e-bay. There are two people
in particular who make it. I chose the less expensive and bought two for my
2D. They were a bit large, but trimming glass is _very_ easy. Don't be
afraid. Go for it. Regarding the corners, I would clip them for two reasons:
First, it's an easy way to tell if your image circle extends to the edge
(just peek through) and second it makes it a little quicker to move the
bellows in and out (it lets air in/out faster.)

"Chase Martin" wrote in message
...
Hiya JJ-

Thanks for the info. I hopped on Ebay and found the $19.95 guy.
Sounds good, but he would like to have the dimesions for the 2D glass.
I'll order one from him, but will look around for those dimesions for
a day or two to save him and me some work.
Anyone have a 2D 8x10 gg that you could measure for me?

If you have the camera why don't you measure on it the dimensions of the GG
you need? Am I missing something?

Guillermo

On 4/9/2004 12:31 PM Chase Martin spake thus:

I recently bough a fixer-upper Kodak 2D 8x10 wood camera and have
repaired the bellows and refinished the wood. My problem now is that
it didn't have a ground glass with it. I have a local glass company
who said they could make a frosted/ground glass to replace it if I
could find the glass dimensions. So, can anyone help me with the
dimensions of the ground glass (length, width, thickness?) Also, are
the corners "clipped" like some groundglasses I've seen? Is it
"ground" on just one side? If just one side, which side goes OUT
towards your eye?
I know there are aftermarket groundglasses that can be purchased (at
high cost, though) - my local glass company says it will cost me under
$10 if I provide them the dimesions. Since this is a fixer-upper
project, I'd like to do it as inexpensively as possible - if you know
of another inexpensive source (for 2D 8x10 glass) please let me know.
Thank you for your time!

I wonder if your local glass company knows what the hell they're talking about.

Don't get me wrong; they might, in which case a piece of fitted ground glass
for $10 would be a screaming deal--I'd go for it. But it's possible that 1)
the glass you need is thinner than the ordinary window ("single-strength")
glass that they carry, or 2) that they're unclear on the concept of ground
glass. If 1) is the case, you'll need to get a piece of glass from an optical
or scientific supplier; Edmumd Optical is one place to look, or a local
technical glass place if you have one.

In any event, in case it becomes necessary to do so, it's *very easy* to make
your own ground glass; I've done it many times. Once you obtain a piece of
glass of the proper thickness, all you have to do is get another piece of
glass to use as a grinding surface, and some abrasive. While you can get away
with using ordinary automotive valve grinding compound (silicon carbide
abrasive paste available at practically any auto parts or hardware store),
you'll get better results with a finer abrasive. I use 1200 grit silicon
carbide powder (dry) made for sharpening woodworking tools (bought at a local
Japanese woodworking supply place).

In any case, you put the abrasive on the grinding glass, wet it if needed,
then put the piece of glass you want to grind on top and grind away, using
even circular motions. In no time at all, voila! nice evenly ground glass.


--
.... but never have I encountered a guy who could not be bothered
to make his own case on his own show.

- Eric Alterman on his appearance on Dennis Miller's bomb of a show
on CNBC (3/17/04)

I'll check my 2D ground glass measurements later today. From memory,
it's 8x10. If your 2D is like mine, you'll have to clip the corners,
since the slot where the ground glass sits rises up at the corners.

-Peter

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:21:24 -0500, Peter De Smidt
pdesmidt*no*spam*@tds.*net* wrote:


I'll check my 2D ground glass measurements later today. From memory,
it's 8x10. If your 2D is like mine, you'll have to clip the corners,
since the slot where the ground glass sits rises up at the corners.

-Peter


Peter-
Thank you for measuring.
My 2D is out of state with a friend who is finishing some brass work.
~Chase~

Chase Martin wrote:
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:21:24 -0500, Peter De Smidt
pdesmidt*no*spam*@tds.*net* wrote:


I'll check my 2D ground glass measurements later today. From memory,
it's 8x10. If your 2D is like mine, you'll have to clip the corners,
since the slot where the ground glass sits rises up at the corners.

-Peter



Peter-
Thank you for measuring.
My 2D is out of state with a friend who is finishing some brass work.
~Chase~


The opening measures 8x10 inches, although my glass is slightly smaller.
I'd make the glass 7 15\16" by 9 15\16".

The glass should be approximately 1/16" thick. A little thicker is ok,
but thinner is probably too fragile.

It should only be frosted on the side facing the lens.

Professionally acid etching gives a very fine grain. Don't try this at
home. It's very, very hard to get even results.

Valve grinding compound makes a screen that's too coarse.

Sand blasted screen tend to be too coarse, unless a very fine media is used.

All if this is IMHO.

-Peter