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{SI] Shoot-In - Fractal Comments
One early October Tuesday evening in Newfoundland, Mardon put down
his paintbrush to check the r.p.e.35 newsgroup. (His wife kept painting.) Lo and behold, the SI fractal submissions were on display in their full glory, even before the submission deadline arrived. Talk about efficiency. There's no flies on our Jim, as the saying goes. I wonder if Al is impressed or just glad that the job isn't his anymore. "Natural Fractals" Hummm --- I own a text on Chaos Theory. I've installed Quat and Fractint and have used them on my PC to generate my own fractal images. I've even installed an image of Henrik Engstrom's quaternion Mandelbrot set circa 1992 as my PC wallpaper. All that said, I still have no idea which of the SI submissions is really a natural fractal and which isn't. Unlike image plots of fractal equations, I'm inclined to think that natural fractals exist only in the mind of the beholder. So does beauty, and here's my opinion of both: James Mondor http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/68336427 I like the film 'feel' and the grain in the dark areas of the background but I'd like to see the foreground leaves be sharper. The white and dark spots on the leaves are also distracting to my eye. What would this have been like without the orange filter I wonder? Any special reason for using it? I remember using a dark red filter a lot for that dramatic looks with B/W film. Walter Banks http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/68336535 Nice colours! Common wisdom is that tree branches are natural fractals but I don't think that applies to leaves, so a 5 point deduction. As already mentioned, the leaf colours are nice; I wish the sky were a slightly darker blue. I'm glad the image is not over sharpened. This is the sort of content that looks bad when over sharpened. Quercus http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/68336553 Common wisdom also says ferns are natural fractals but I don't think this is a fern. I can't conceive of those oblong leaves being made up of smaller oblong patterns, etc; no fractal, so 5 points off. I really like the colours. My mother always said that blue and green don't go together but I never did believe that saying. The shadows on the lower leaves and the lack of shadows on the upper ones, combined with the clouds make for a very nice image. Bowser http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/68336559 Nice image! Are the barnacles the natural fractals or the rust? I suspect the rust is really more fractal in nature than the barnacles but who cares. No deduction because one of them must be fractal in nature. The orange and white complements each other well and I like the composition, with mostly white to the upper left and mostly rust to the lower right. Al Denelsbeck http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/68336564 How'd you do that? The lily pad looks like it's under the surface of the water but the droplets wouldn't float on water would they? It seems logical that the droplets must be sitting on the leaf but it doesn't look that way to my eye. Intriguing! The veins are no doubt fractal in nature, so do deduction there. To paraphrase our friend Bret, too bad "Elitechrome 100 Hates Lily Pads". "Elitechrome 100 LOVES those bubbles though." Too much washed out green for my taste. Jim Kramer http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/68336571 It's wet. It's soft. It's somehow connected with the insect world (I think). It may be alive. But is it a natural fractal? Don't think so. Minus 5 points. My favorite part of this image is the one rounded, brown tip of the dark leaf at the top edge of the image and the strands of web that lead down from there. The white strand at the lower left is also interesting but the glob in the middle just confuses me. What is it? Mardon http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/68338439 I thought about cooking a DVD in our microwave and repeating the fractal image from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Microwaved-DVD.jpg). In the end, I'm not sure if it was my reluctance to 'steal' the idea from Wiki or the fear of having my wife catch me putting a metal DVD in the microwave that ultimately dissuaded me. I opted for this lichen from a rock in our back yard. It took all of a 10 minute break from my painting time to photograph and post it. 5 point deduction because I'm still not sure myself if lichen grows in the pattern of a natural fractal. Duncan Chesley http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/68348233 The good news: My favorite image of the bunch. The bad news: One of my least favorite bunches. 5 bonus points for shooting what looks like a natural fractal to me. I like the colours and composition. Was this posed or natural? If natural, you caught a really good angle. N Lindan http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/68354426 Very clever! I love the inclusion of the torn plastic. The staging of the 3 elements is very neat. I'm not fond of the large white patches in the blossom but I like the water drops. I think I'd also prefer a totally black background instead of the white specs all over it; especially in the upper right corner. I give "N" 10 bonus points of actually looking at the plastic under a microscope to very the fractal nature of the tear. Especially when considering the mandate, this is probably the 2nd place ribbon IMO. |
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{SI] Shoot-In - Fractal Comments
"Mardon" wrote
"Natural Fractals" ... Fractint ... an image of Henrik Engstrom's quaternion Mandelbrot set ... I'm inclined to think that natural fractals exist only in the mind of the beholder. Try the source: "The Fractal Geometry of Nature", B. Mandelbrot Also "The Algorithmic Geometry of Plants", Lindenmayer et. al. Fractals aren't the mathematical eyecandy - fractals are a property of nature that the eyecandy imitates. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractal http://library.thinkquest.org/26242/full/ap/ap15.html But images of coastlines and fern leaves are boring, and so not much attention is given to them. The interesting point is that what appear to be very complex structures arise from very simple generating rules. -- Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Darkroom Automation http://www.nolindan.com/da/index.htm n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com |
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{SI] Shoot-In - Fractal Comments
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 00:34:49 GMT, Mardon wrote:
Duncan Chesley http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/68348233 The good news: My favorite image of the bunch. The bad news: One of my least favorite bunches. 5 bonus points for shooting what looks like a natural fractal to me. I like the colours and composition. Was this posed or natural? If natural, you caught a really good angle. Thanks, Mardon. Be sure I'm saving up those bonus points. It's all natural. I was wandering around looking at the leaves on the trees near my home, when, unlike me, I looked down. Straight down. And, after a little camera orientation, snap. Cheers, DuncanC |
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{SI] Shoot-In - Fractal Comments
Mardon wrote:
Jim Kramer http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/68336571 It's wet. It's soft. It's somehow connected with the insect world (I think). It may be alive. But is it a natural fractal? Don't think so. Minus 5 points. My favorite part of this image is the one rounded, brown tip of the dark leaf at the top edge of the image and the strands of web that lead down from there. The white strand at the lower left is also interesting but the glob in the middle just confuses me. What is it? It is the egg case for a Green Lynx Spider Legs of which ar in the the background. Other thoughts here http://si.jlkramer.net/fractal.htm Thanks for commenting, Jim |
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{SI] Shoot-In - Fractal Comments
JimKramer wrote: Other thoughts here http://si.jlkramer.net/fractal.htm Here is my leafy contribution (that I forgot to send in). http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/44092251 |
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{SI] Shoot-In - Fractal Comments
Annika1980 wrote:
JimKramer wrote: Other thoughts here http://si.jlkramer.net/fractal.htm Here is my leafy contribution (that I forgot to send in). http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/44092251 You need to get out more if you need to drag in an image from last year :-) |
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{SI] Shoot-In - Fractal Comments
"JimKramer" wrote
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/68336571 It is the egg case for a Green Lynx Spider Legs of which ar in the the background. It has much the same form as the sprout from a potato http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/.../potato21d.jpg http://research.cip.cgiar.org/potato...jpg_medium.jpg That looks a bit like roman cauliflower http://www.notthisorthat.com/sblog/u...auliflower.jpg That looks a bit like a Julia set [sort of a Mandelbrot set turned inside out] http://www.fractalartcontests.com/1998/images/258.gif So what do all these have to do with the equation for the Mandelbrot set: 2 Z = Z + Z n+1 n n Where Z is a complex number: x + yi, where i is the square root of -1 http://www.dgp.toronto.edu/~mjmcguff...mandelbrot.gif Which looks a bit like the egg case for a green Lynx spider. -- Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Darkroom Automation http://www.nolindan.com/da/index.htm n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com |
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{SI] Shoot-In - Fractal Comments
Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
"JimKramer" wrote http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/68336571 It is the egg case for a Green Lynx Spider Legs of which ar in the the background. It has much the same form as the sprout from a potato http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/.../potato21d.jpg http://research.cip.cgiar.org/potato...jpg_medium.jpg That looks a bit like roman cauliflower http://www.notthisorthat.com/sblog/u...auliflower.jpg That looks a bit like a Julia set [sort of a Mandelbrot set turned inside out] http://www.fractalartcontests.com/1998/images/258.gif So what do all these have to do with the equation for the Mandelbrot set: 2 Z = Z + Z n+1 n n Where Z is a complex number: x + yi, where i is the square root of -1 The Mandelbrot set is but 1 algorithm that generates fractals. In fact Mandelbrot didn't even come up with that equation, it was a French (IIRC) mathematician in the late 1800's or early 1900's. As it is difficult to impossible to produce fractal imagery (despite the absolute simplicity of the equation) in any detail without a computer, the whole notion was lost until Benoit Mandelbrot took another stab at it. Occasionally in aerial photography you will see river deltas or gorges that are astonishingly similar to the Mandlebrot set. Ferns are not Mandelbrot like, they follow another, much simpler, fractal equation (that I don't recall offhand) but that I programmed on an HP-9845 back in the 80's and on a PC later. (Much easier on the brillant HP-9845 which was WAY ahead of its time at the time with a FORTRAN-like BASIC...) Cheers, Alan -- -- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. |
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{SI] Shoot-In - Fractal Comments
Alan Browne wrote:
*snip* I programmed on an HP-9845 back in the 80's and on a PC later. (Much easier on the brillant HP-9845 which was WAY ahead of its time at the time with a FORTRAN-like BASIC...) Cheers, Alan A really neat programming language I used on my Commodore 64 was "Logo". It excelled at plotting equations. I guess Logo is now just one of many dead programming languages. |
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{SI] Shoot-In - Fractal Comments
"Mardon" wrote in message . 130... Alan Browne wrote: *snip* I programmed on an HP-9845 back in the 80's and on a PC later. (Much easier on the brillant HP-9845 which was WAY ahead of its time at the time with a FORTRAN-like BASIC...) Cheers, Alan A really neat programming language I used on my Commodore 64 was "Logo". It excelled at plotting equations. I guess Logo is now just one of many dead programming languages. Yup. - And this is why I, (with a degree in math) did not become a programmer. I have no problem learning a good language and using it. But learning a new one every year for the rest of my life? - NO THANKS!! |
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