Adobe must be hurting for money

On 2011-11-17 07:34:35 -0800, Alan Browne
said:

On 2011-11-17 09:16 , Savageduck wrote:
On 2011-11-17 00:09:45 -0800, N said:

On 16/11/2011, Rich wrote:
I think this cloud thing is scaring a lot of software companies,
believing perhaps that (rightly) people wouldn't pay anywhere near as

much for being in a "cloud" as having physical software on their syst
em.

http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations...tive-cloud-and
-
adobe-creative-suite-new-choices-for-customers.html?PID=2159997

For customers who prefer to remain on the current licensing model, we

will continue to offer our individual point products and Adobe
Creative Suite editions as perpetual licenses. With regards to
upgrades, we are changing our policy for perpetual license customers.

In order to qualify for upgrade pricing when CS6 releases, customers
will need to be on the latest version of our software (either CS5 or
CS5.5 editions). If our customers are not yet on those versions,
we’re offering a 20% discount through December 31, 2011 which
will
qualify them for upgrade pricing when we release CS6.

I wish they'd put Bridge out as a separate product.

They do. It is actually "Super Bridge" and it is called Lightroom.

Don't agree. One can do their entire editing flow within Lightroom
without a separate photo editor. It does 99% of what photographers need
to edit and present or print a photo as a photo.

Bridge needs a photo editor (any photo editor will do).

I agree that Bridge would be a fine standalone product using other
editors such as Elements (which has its own "minor Bridge"), The Gimp,
and so on.

It is time for you to calibrate your hyperbole meter. ;-)

While you are correct in stating that Bridge needs a photo editor, and
for RAW processing requires the intermediary ACR, all the other
features of LR are shared.

"Super Bridge" properly describes Lightroom, since it is basically a
catalog UI with the added powerful editing ability. A side by side
comparison of the two Adobe products, LR3 and Bridge CS5 demonstrate
that with the exception of that editing ability and the UI, they are
one and the same.
....even to the point of being able to go from LR to any other photo editor.


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Regards,

Savageduck

Savageduck writes:

"Super Bridge" properly describes Lightroom, since it is basically a
catalog UI with the added powerful editing ability. A side by side
comparison of the two Adobe products, LR3 and Bridge CS5 demonstrate
that with the exception of that editing ability and the UI, they are
one and the same.
...even to the point of being able to go from LR to any other photo editor.

Does that mean Lightroom is as slow as bridge as a photo browser?
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Indeed - they canned doing flash for mobile phones.

Crapple helped them out the door unfortunately...

"Rich" wrote in message
...
I think this cloud thing is scaring a lot of software companies, believing
perhaps that (rightly) people wouldn't pay anywhere near as much for being
in a "cloud" as having physical software on their system.

http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations...ive-cloud-and-
adobe-creative-suite-new-choices-for-customers.html?PID=2159997

For customers who prefer to remain on the current licensing model, we will
continue to offer our individual point products and Adobe Creative Suite
editions as perpetual licenses. With regards to upgrades, we are changing
our policy for perpetual license customers. In order to qualify for
upgrade
pricing when CS6 releases, customers will need to be on the latest version
of our software (either CS5 or CS5.5 editions). If our customers are not
yet on those versions, we're offering a 20% discount through December 31,
2011 which will qualify them for upgrade pricing when we release CS6.

On 2011-11-17 09:51:16 -0800, David Dyer-Bennet said:

Savageduck writes:

"Super Bridge" properly describes Lightroom, since it is basically a
catalog UI with the added powerful editing ability. A side by side
comparison of the two Adobe products, LR3 and Bridge CS5 demonstrate
that with the exception of that editing ability and the UI, they are
one and the same.
...even to the point of being able to go from LR to any other photo editor.

Does that mean Lightroom is as slow as bridge as a photo browser?

I didn't think that was what we were discussing here.

I haven't found either one to be particularly slow on my Macs. I guess
that depends on what you are looking for in a "Photo browser".

All I can say is before making the upgrade to CS5 and the current
generation of Bridge, I avoided using earlier versions, having found
them a total PIA.
I used LR & LR2 along with Photoshop by-passing Bridge all together.
Since upgrading to CS5 I have had little need to use my LR2. After
taking a look at LR3 I have less reason to upgrade since Bridge is much
improved and does all I need as a path from my image files, RAW or
JPEG, sometimes via ACR to CS5.

If all I want to do is view a bunch of images I use Preview.



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Regards,

Savageduck

Savageduck writes:

On 2011-11-17 09:51:16 -0800, David Dyer-Bennet said:

Savageduck writes:

"Super Bridge" properly describes Lightroom, since it is basically a
catalog UI with the added powerful editing ability. A side by side
comparison of the two Adobe products, LR3 and Bridge CS5 demonstrate
that with the exception of that editing ability and the UI, they are
one and the same.
...even to the point of being able to go from LR to any other photo editor.

Does that mean Lightroom is as slow as bridge as a photo browser?

I didn't think that was what we were discussing here.

It wasn't. This is that "topic drift" thing. What was said seemed to
imply something that I was wondering about (I've been considering trying
Lightroom; though the recent Adobe upgrade policy change has made me
much less interested in letting any of my money reach them that I can
avoid).

I haven't found either one to be particularly slow on my Macs. I guess
that depends on what you are looking for in a "Photo browser".

Well, I'm currently using Photo Mechanic to sort and tag (and rename,
these days) new batches of photos. That deals with piles of raw format
images pretty much instantly. Bridge in some earlier version and Thumbs
Plus and whatever else I tried were hopelessly slow.

All I can say is before making the upgrade to CS5 and the current
generation of Bridge, I avoided using earlier versions, having found
them a total PIA.

Yeah, me too. I do have CS5 now, but am not in the habit of opening
Bridge.

I used LR & LR2 along with Photoshop by-passing Bridge all together.
Since upgrading to CS5 I have had little need to use my LR2. After
taking a look at LR3 I have less reason to upgrade since Bridge is
much improved and does all I need as a path from my image files, RAW
or JPEG, sometimes via ACR to CS5.

If all I want to do is view a bunch of images I use Preview.

I'm always at least theoretically interested in reducing the number of
pieces of software I use.

--
David Dyer-Bennet, ; http://dd-b.net/
Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/
Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/
Dragaera: http://dragaera.info

On 2011-11-17 11:26:43 -0800, David Dyer-Bennet said:

Savageduck writes:

On 2011-11-17 09:51:16 -0800, David Dyer-Bennet said:

Savageduck writes:

"Super Bridge" properly describes Lightroom, since it is basically a
catalog UI with the added powerful editing ability. A side by side
comparison of the two Adobe products, LR3 and Bridge CS5 demonstrate
that with the exception of that editing ability and the UI, they are
one and the same.
...even to the point of being able to go from LR to any other photo editor.

Does that mean Lightroom is as slow as bridge as a photo browser?

I didn't think that was what we were discussing here.

It wasn't. This is that "topic drift" thing. What was said seemed to
imply something that I was wondering about (I've been considering trying
Lightroom; though the recent Adobe upgrade policy change has made me
much less interested in letting any of my money reach them that I can
avoid).

I haven't found either one to be particularly slow on my Macs. I guess
that depends on what you are looking for in a "Photo browser".

Well, I'm currently using Photo Mechanic to sort and tag (and rename,
these days) new batches of photos. That deals with piles of raw format
images pretty much instantly. Bridge in some earlier version and Thumbs
Plus and whatever else I tried were hopelessly slow.

All I can say is before making the upgrade to CS5 and the current
generation of Bridge, I avoided using earlier versions, having found
them a total PIA.

Yeah, me too. I do have CS5 now, but am not in the habit of opening
Bridge.

I used LR & LR2 along with Photoshop by-passing Bridge all together.
Since upgrading to CS5 I have had little need to use my LR2. After
taking a look at LR3 I have less reason to upgrade since Bridge is
much improved and does all I need as a path from my image files, RAW
or JPEG, sometimes via ACR to CS5.

If all I want to do is view a bunch of images I use Preview.

I'm always at least theoretically interested in reducing the number of
pieces of software I use.

Since you own CS5 you might want to explore Bridge CS5 and Mini-Bridge
before committing your $$$ to Adobe for LR3. All functions are
duplicated, but are a little prettier.


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Regards,

Savageduck

"PeterN" wrote in message
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On 11/16/2011 6:15 PM, Charles wrote:


"Rich" wrote in message
...

I think this cloud thing is scaring a lot of software companies, believing
perhaps that (rightly) people wouldn't pay anywhere near as much for being
in a "cloud" as having physical software on their system.

http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations...ive-cloud-and-
adobe-creative-suite-new-choices-for-customers.html?PID=2159997

For customers who prefer to remain on the current licensing model, we will
continue to offer our individual point products and Adobe Creative Suite
editions as perpetual licenses. With regards to upgrades, we are changing
our policy for perpetual license customers. In order to qualify for
upgrade
pricing when CS6 releases, customers will need to be on the latest version
of our software (either CS5 or CS5.5 editions). If our customers are not
yet on those versions, we’re offering a 20% discount through December 31,
2011 which will qualify them for upgrade pricing when we release CS6.

http://performance.morningstar.com/s...ion=USA&t=ADBE


They seem to be managing the ugly dip around 2008.

I fell behind with Photoshop updates and was sad to see that it would
cost me a LOT to catch up.

As an individual who uses Photoshop only occasionally to actually earn
money, I have to be careful as to how much I spend on updates. Adobe has
missed out on some revenue from folks like me. The software is great but
their consumer base is multi-tiered. I would never go for Creative
Suite, as it is more than I could ever use.

Yeah, I know, use "Essentials" but that is not an answer for a serious
amateur photograher who also, once in a while, does something at the
professional level.

I probably will never buy into cloud software for something like
Photoshop. For other apps, maybe.


I don't see the relationship of the title to the facts presented.

Actually, it is one of his better posts.

On 18/11/2011, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
Indeed - they canned doing flash for mobile phones.

Crapple helped them out the door unfortunately...


HTML5 makes Flash obsolete.

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N

On 11/17/2011 5:48 PM, Charles wrote:


"PeterN" wrote in message
...

On 11/16/2011 6:15 PM, Charles wrote:


"Rich" wrote in message
...

I think this cloud thing is scaring a lot of software companies,
believing
perhaps that (rightly) people wouldn't pay anywhere near as much for
being
in a "cloud" as having physical software on their system.

http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations...ive-cloud-and-
adobe-creative-suite-new-choices-for-customers.html?PID=2159997

For customers who prefer to remain on the current licensing model, we
will
continue to offer our individual point products and Adobe Creative Suite
editions as perpetual licenses. With regards to upgrades, we are changing
our policy for perpetual license customers. In order to qualify for
upgrade
pricing when CS6 releases, customers will need to be on the latest
version
of our software (either CS5 or CS5.5 editions). If our customers are not
yet on those versions, we’re offering a 20% discount through December 31,
2011 which will qualify them for upgrade pricing when we release CS6.

http://performance.morningstar.com/s...ion=USA&t=ADBE



They seem to be managing the ugly dip around 2008.

I fell behind with Photoshop updates and was sad to see that it would
cost me a LOT to catch up.

As an individual who uses Photoshop only occasionally to actually earn
money, I have to be careful as to how much I spend on updates. Adobe has
missed out on some revenue from folks like me. The software is great but
their consumer base is multi-tiered. I would never go for Creative
Suite, as it is more than I could ever use.

Yeah, I know, use "Essentials" but that is not an answer for a serious
amateur photograher who also, once in a while, does something at the
professional level.

I probably will never buy into cloud software for something like
Photoshop. For other apps, maybe.


I don't see the relationship of the title to the facts presented.

Actually, it is one of his better posts.

He's telling us that Adobe is changing its upgrade policy, and giving
advance notice, together with some upgrade discount. that's good.
What's not good is the concessionary title. The title is based upon a
totally unfounded statement.

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Peter

On 2011-11-17 13:16 , R. Mark Clayton wrote:
Indeed - they canned doing flash for mobile phones.

Crapple helped them out the door unfortunately...

Apple just had the wherewithal to point out the facts:

..flash is processing inefficient - wastes battery power.
..flash is superseded by HTML5

Move on.

Don't top post.

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