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Help! Attractive girlfriend looks awful in photos - tips needed!!
howard wrote:
"dadiOH" wrote in message ... howard wrote: What is ? What you wrote. This...... Don't forget, the camera always make people look fatter, that's why top models are skinny. Right....is it ridiculous because I wrote it, or ridiculous because it's true ? Ahhh, I know , I should have said 'professional models', any better No, because most of the really skinny models are mannequins - they never see a camera except casually from a runway. They are skinny - as I understand it - because the clothing displays better. -- dadiOH _____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.0... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico ____________________________ |
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Help! Attractive girlfriend looks awful in photos - tips needed!!
howard wrote:
"dadiOH" wrote in message ... howard wrote: What is ? What you wrote. This...... Don't forget, the camera always make people look fatter, that's why top models are skinny. Right....is it ridiculous because I wrote it, or ridiculous because it's true ? Ahhh, I know , I should have said 'professional models', any better No, because most of the really skinny models are mannequins - they never see a camera except casually from a runway. They are skinny - as I understand it - because the clothing displays better. -- dadiOH _____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.0... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico ____________________________ |
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Help! Attractive girlfriend looks awful in photos - tips needed!!
"dadiOH" wrote in message ... howard wrote: "dadiOH" wrote in message ... howard wrote: What is ? What you wrote. This...... Don't forget, the camera always make people look fatter, that's why top models are skinny. Right....is it ridiculous because I wrote it, or ridiculous because it's true ? Ahhh, I know , I should have said 'professional models', any better No, because most of the really skinny models are mannequins - they never see a camera except casually from a runway. Joking right ? Campbell , Moss ? Need I go on ? They are skinny - as I understand it - because the clothing displays better. The point is they're supposed to sell clothes, not themselves, that's why fashion designers employ them. Using 'full bodied' girls can be too distracting for men *and* women clients. That's the theory (or one of them) Photographic models are allowed a little more meat, but the camera still adds pounds, TV & video is worst apparently. Ask any woman ;-) |
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Help! Attractive girlfriend looks awful in photos - tips needed!!
"dadiOH" wrote in message ... howard wrote: "dadiOH" wrote in message ... howard wrote: What is ? What you wrote. This...... Don't forget, the camera always make people look fatter, that's why top models are skinny. Right....is it ridiculous because I wrote it, or ridiculous because it's true ? Ahhh, I know , I should have said 'professional models', any better No, because most of the really skinny models are mannequins - they never see a camera except casually from a runway. Joking right ? Campbell , Moss ? Need I go on ? They are skinny - as I understand it - because the clothing displays better. The point is they're supposed to sell clothes, not themselves, that's why fashion designers employ them. Using 'full bodied' girls can be too distracting for men *and* women clients. That's the theory (or one of them) Photographic models are allowed a little more meat, but the camera still adds pounds, TV & video is worst apparently. Ask any woman ;-) |
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Help! Attractive girlfriend looks awful in photos - tips needed!!
Open shade is very flattering, for head shots. I use a 105 2.5 on my
35mm Nikon, for head shots, going wider will distort features, as was said in a previous post. The rule of thumb is the shortest lense for portrature should be the diagonal of the film. I think this is ok for head and torseau, but too short for closer. I like to get really close, with the above mentioned 105. For grabshoot cameras, use the longest focal length. You can experiment with this too. I've also had very good results with backlight and reflectors, also flattering. If she's a willing subject, experiment with all the ideas mentioned, and see what works for you. I also got a good shot bouncing a photoflood off a projection screen. Generally side light makes people look slimmer than straight on. Dan |
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Help! Attractive girlfriend looks awful in photos - tips needed!!
Open shade is very flattering, for head shots. I use a 105 2.5 on my
35mm Nikon, for head shots, going wider will distort features, as was said in a previous post. The rule of thumb is the shortest lense for portrature should be the diagonal of the film. I think this is ok for head and torseau, but too short for closer. I like to get really close, with the above mentioned 105. For grabshoot cameras, use the longest focal length. You can experiment with this too. I've also had very good results with backlight and reflectors, also flattering. If she's a willing subject, experiment with all the ideas mentioned, and see what works for you. I also got a good shot bouncing a photoflood off a projection screen. Generally side light makes people look slimmer than straight on. Dan |
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Help! Attractive girlfriend looks awful in photos - tips needed!!
Open shade is very flattering, for head shots. I use a 105 2.5 on my
35mm Nikon, for head shots, going wider will distort features, as was said in a previous post. The rule of thumb is the shortest lense for portrature should be the diagonal of the film. I think this is ok for head and torseau, but too short for closer. I like to get really close, with the above mentioned 105. For grabshoot cameras, use the longest focal length. You can experiment with this too. I've also had very good results with backlight and reflectors, also flattering. If she's a willing subject, experiment with all the ideas mentioned, and see what works for you. I also got a good shot bouncing a photoflood off a projection screen. Generally side light makes people look slimmer than straight on. Dan |
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Help! Attractive girlfriend looks awful in photos - tips needed!!
I need some advice on photographing my girlfriend. She just returned from a 2-week holiday to Greece and came back with a large number of photos. Neither she nor any of her friends are experienced photographers. Neither am I, although I probably know a touch more than they do and have a slightly better camera (still only a Digital Ixus 430 - a good camera but by no means 'professional' in standard). She is a pretty girl: short, curvy with dark blond hair and a nice smile. However, the problem - and it really is starting to cause me some serious personal distress - is that my she almost always tends to look awful in photographs. She has quite deep-set eyes and curvy cheeks, and her nose is quite long and thin. I think, then, that the problem is in photos that are naturally lit (i.e. from above) she tends to get very unattractive shadows around her eyes, under her nose and under her cheeks. These exaggerate her facial features and make her look fat and ugly. I can honestly say she looks almost unrecognisable in photos... they REALLY don't do her any justice! A couple of other horrid photos were taken by a friend who was in a squatted position, looking up at my girlfriend in a group. This made her look bottom-heavy and really overweight. This is obviously one angle to avoid. The one pleasing photo I found was taken from the front, lit by flash, and has my girlfriend leaning forward over a (seated) friend's shoulder. This setup gets rid of the ugly shadows and actually looks like how my girlfriend looks 'in real life', if that makes sense. It is this that has made me think that the answer lies with lighting and angles. Does anyone have any tips? Should I try to stick to lighting my girlfriend from the front? Are there 'standard' techniques for this kind of thing? Any general advice / tips would be really appreciated, because it really hurts to not have any nice photos of my girlfriend! It sounds like you are standing out in the full sun. Sun is 4 to 5 stops brighter than shadow, cameras cannot see in both at the same time. Problems ensue. 100 years ago Mr Kodak invented a point and shoot, but the film was very slow and the lens was small, the only way to get an image that was printable was to shoot only in the bright sun. People ever since have been thinking that you must stand out in the bright sun, despite millions of dissappointing images to the contrary. Shoot at twilight. If you can see what you are doing while wearing dark sunglasses then its not a good time or place to shoot pictures. Look at photos in magazines, look at which ones were taken in similar situations you have been shooting in, which are done at twilight, open shade or other subdued lighting, and which have light modifications like flash (artificial light,) scrims (artificial shade) etc. this reply is echoed to the z-prophoto mailing list at yahoogroups.com |
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Help! Attractive girlfriend looks awful in photos - tips needed!!
I need some advice on photographing my girlfriend. She just returned from a 2-week holiday to Greece and came back with a large number of photos. Neither she nor any of her friends are experienced photographers. Neither am I, although I probably know a touch more than they do and have a slightly better camera (still only a Digital Ixus 430 - a good camera but by no means 'professional' in standard). She is a pretty girl: short, curvy with dark blond hair and a nice smile. However, the problem - and it really is starting to cause me some serious personal distress - is that my she almost always tends to look awful in photographs. She has quite deep-set eyes and curvy cheeks, and her nose is quite long and thin. I think, then, that the problem is in photos that are naturally lit (i.e. from above) she tends to get very unattractive shadows around her eyes, under her nose and under her cheeks. These exaggerate her facial features and make her look fat and ugly. I can honestly say she looks almost unrecognisable in photos... they REALLY don't do her any justice! A couple of other horrid photos were taken by a friend who was in a squatted position, looking up at my girlfriend in a group. This made her look bottom-heavy and really overweight. This is obviously one angle to avoid. The one pleasing photo I found was taken from the front, lit by flash, and has my girlfriend leaning forward over a (seated) friend's shoulder. This setup gets rid of the ugly shadows and actually looks like how my girlfriend looks 'in real life', if that makes sense. It is this that has made me think that the answer lies with lighting and angles. Does anyone have any tips? Should I try to stick to lighting my girlfriend from the front? Are there 'standard' techniques for this kind of thing? Any general advice / tips would be really appreciated, because it really hurts to not have any nice photos of my girlfriend! It sounds like you are standing out in the full sun. Sun is 4 to 5 stops brighter than shadow, cameras cannot see in both at the same time. Problems ensue. 100 years ago Mr Kodak invented a point and shoot, but the film was very slow and the lens was small, the only way to get an image that was printable was to shoot only in the bright sun. People ever since have been thinking that you must stand out in the bright sun, despite millions of dissappointing images to the contrary. Shoot at twilight. If you can see what you are doing while wearing dark sunglasses then its not a good time or place to shoot pictures. Look at photos in magazines, look at which ones were taken in similar situations you have been shooting in, which are done at twilight, open shade or other subdued lighting, and which have light modifications like flash (artificial light,) scrims (artificial shade) etc. this reply is echoed to the z-prophoto mailing list at yahoogroups.com |
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Help! Attractive girlfriend looks awful in photos - tips needed!!
"Dan Dunphy" dandunphy at pcisys dot net wrote in message ... Open shade is very flattering, for head shots. I use a 105 2.5 on my 35mm Nikon, for head shots, going wider will distort features, as was said in a previous post. The rule of thumb is the shortest lense for portrature should be the diagonal of the film. I think this is ok for head and torseau, but too short for closer. I like to get really close, with the above mentioned 105. For grabshoot cameras, use the longest focal length. You can experiment with this too. I've also had very good results with backlight and reflectors, also flattering. If she's a willing subject, experiment with all the ideas mentioned, and see what works for you. I also got a good shot bouncing a photoflood off a projection screen. Generally side light makes people look slimmer than straight on. Dan Thellers, -- You may wish to try squinting your eyes when pre viewing your pose. The light loss through your lashes firstly tends to reduce colour effect making the view more B&W ish. Then as you slowly close out more light the shadows will start to blockup. You can then judge the evenes and contrast range of the shadow effect. Sounds dumb, try it. Cheers otzi |
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