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Sony announces H7 and H9 cameras
"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message ... "werdan" wrote in message ... Never mind the toys, when are they bringing out a proper DSLR?? You mean besides the existing rebadged ones, or do you mean the KM's were not "proper" DSLR's? I mean the equivelent of a 9D that KM never managed to produce. |
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Sony announces H7 and H9 cameras
"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote:
wrote in message DSLR is different because it has larger sensor, thats why noise is not an issue for DSLR Noise is ALWAYS an issue, it's just the amount that changes. That is why Sony uses a larger sensor AND in-camera postprocessing in the H7 & H9 to drastically reduce color noise. -- Pardon my spam deterrent; send email to Cheers, Steve Henning in Reading, PA USA http://rhodyman.net |
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Sony announces H7 and H9 cameras
"Stephen Henning" wrote in message news Noise is ALWAYS an issue, it's just the amount that changes. That is why Sony uses a larger sensor AND in-camera postprocessing in the H7 & H9 to drastically reduce color noise. I would never want in camera post processing myself, but each to their own. (dark frame noise removal can still be done in computer where you can make the choices rather than the camera) Good for technophobe photographers though I guess. MrT. |
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Sony announces H7 and H9 cameras
Mr.T wrote:
"Stephen Henning" wrote in message news Noise is ALWAYS an issue, it's just the amount that changes. That is why Sony uses a larger sensor AND in-camera postprocessing in the H7 & H9 to drastically reduce color noise. I would never want in camera post processing myself, but each to their own. (dark frame noise removal can still be done in computer where you can make the choices rather than the camera) Good for technophobe photographers though I guess. MrT. I think most camera manufacturers would disagree with you. In camera dark frame subtraction is pretty common in good DSLR cameras to extend the useful high ISO function of the camera, and can not be done as well outside the camera. |
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Sony announces H7 and H9 cameras
"Ron Hunter" wrote in message ... I think most camera manufacturers would disagree with you. Naturally, they want you to believe it makes their camera somehow special. In camera dark frame subtraction is pretty common in good DSLR cameras to extend the useful high ISO function of the camera, and can not be done as well outside the camera. Of course it can, what makes you think the crappy computer in the camera can do anything a real computer can't? MrT. |
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Sony announces H7 and H9 cameras
"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote: "Ron Hunter" wrote: I think most camera manufacturers would disagree with you. Naturally, they want you to believe it makes their camera somehow special. Not special, just sensible. In camera dark frame subtraction is pretty common in good DSLR cameras to extend the useful high ISO function of the camera, and can not be done as well outside the camera. Dark frame subtraction isn't about high ISO, it's about longer exposures at any ISO. Of course it can, what makes you think the crappy computer in the camera can do anything a real computer can't? Well, it _could_ be done outside the camera. But it would be seriously dumb to do it outside the camera. The operation itself is a trivial subtraction operation, and to do it on the computer you'd have to store two full raw frames for each image. And read them onto your computer and do the work there. Work that could have been done trivially when the image is taken. David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan |
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Sony announces H7 and H9 cameras
"David J. Littleboy" wrote in message ... Well, it _could_ be done outside the camera. But it would be seriously dumb to do it outside the camera. If your camera doesn't have that feature, it would be seriously dumb to think you can't do it at all. The operation itself is a trivial subtraction operation, and to do it on the computer you'd have to store two full raw frames for each image. And read them onto your computer and do the work there. Work that could have been done trivially when the image is taken. As with every tool, it all depends on the circumstances. Sometimes in camera processing is the most convenient for sure. There are times when shooting lots of photo's and one or two dark frames is quicker than doing a dark frame for every shot though, assuming your camera even has that feature. However I never said that the in camera method wasn't useful, just that I would not buy a particular camera simply because that was an advertising feature. MrT. |
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Sony announces H7 and H9 cameras
"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote:
I would never want in camera post processing myself, but each to their own. (dark frame noise removal can still be done in computer where you can make the choices rather than the camera) With Sony you have the choice of doing it quickly in the camera or doing it in your computer if you use .raw. It doesn't work nearly as well without raw. -- Pardon my spam deterrent; send email to Cheers, Steve Henning in Reading, PA USA http://rhodyman.net |
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Sony announces H7 and H9 cameras
"Stephen Henning" wrote in message news With Sony you have the choice of doing it quickly in the camera or doing it in your computer if you use .raw. It doesn't work nearly as well without raw. Of course, I hadn't even considered you might think otherwise. MrT. |
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Sony announces H7 and H9 cameras
"Stephen Henning" wrote:
With Sony you have the choice of doing it quickly in the camera or doing it in your computer if you use .raw. It doesn't work nearly as well without raw. Then "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote: Of course, I hadn't even considered you might think otherwise. Then why did you say: I would never want in camera post processing myself. It is like about 90% of the features on the camera. They are there if you want them but you never need them, you can ignore them. The reason I buy a camera is because of the features I want, not because it doesn't have the ones I don't want. Why would you mention a feature you don't want. It doesn't affect anything. Some people do want it. -- Pardon my spam deterrent; send email to Cheers, Steve Henning in Reading, PA USA http://rhodyman.net |
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