What to carry by default.

Tony Cooper:
Interesting that there are baseball games in the streets of the cities
you've been in.

Davoud:
You're surprised at that? It's been common in city streets for hundreds
of years. And among indigenous Americans it is probably at least 1000
years old. It's called "stickball." I suppose when you were a kid you
could afford baseballs or softballs and bats.

I've watched and photographed stickball. There's a group of
transplanted New Yorkers that play here every weekend.

It's nothing like baseball other than the fact that ball is struck by
something.

Which to my mind makes it fundamentally identical to baseball.

The ball is different, what they hit the ball with is
different, mitts are not worn, and the way the ball comes to the
batter is different. There's no pitcher and no catcher.

Minor details.

We played sandlot, not street, baseball when I was a kid.

Of course you did. You were wealthy. Probably had uniforms, too.

In the coal patch where I grew up we had unpaved streets--as good to us
as your sandlot was to you. Sometimes a power company lineman would
give us a big roll of friction tape. with the proper core--a nice,
round stone from the creek--and a lot of tight wrapping it could make a
dandy ball for stickball. Unless you were a weak hitter, then it might
just stick to the "bat," which was most embarrassing.

--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 09:11:19 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 19:24:07 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2015-08-30 00:15:08 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 10:22:47 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article 201508282125129258-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck
wrote:

I typically carry about a dozen (or more) cameras, all with either
28mm, 35mm, or 50mm lenses mounted. I will pack all three Canon
FL-mount zooms: 55-135mm, 100-200mm, 85-300mm. For prime lenses: a
couple 200mm, 500mm, 800mm, and 1200mm. The tripod is a Davis and
Sanford "jawbreaker" with a Majestic head.

No he didn't.

That has to be the most confusing set of attributes, considering that
none of those credited made the statement regarding Ken Hart's massive
burden.

nospam seems to almost never pay attention to the meaning of what he
is actually posting.

*nothing* in the above was written by me.

what i wrote has been snipped, which was that he is a hoarder.

if you're going to bash, you should quote properly.

Somewhere in much the same circumstances I read:

"nope.

you're blaming me about your ignorance regarding quote levels."

Hmm.

hmm what?

what you quoted didn't contain anything i wrote and then you criticized
me for saying it.

you clearly don't understand quote levels either.

Tony Cooper:
I've watched and photographed stickball. There's a group of
transplanted New Yorkers that play here every weekend.

It's nothing like baseball other than the fact that ball is struck by
something.

Which to my mind makes it fundamentally identical to baseball.

Davoud:
So ping pong is fundamentally identical to baseball?

Only to the extent that it has a ball and a sort of bat. Otherwise,
with different objectives, maximum of two players per side, etc., I
would say it differs somewhat. Baseball also is not played on a table
top. But /fundamentally/ ? Hit the ball with a "bat," try to make it
impossible for the other side to "catch" the ball (hit it back to you),
hope it takes a "bad hop" so the opposition cannot hit it back... yeah,
I would say they're based on the same principles, governed by the same
physical laws. The difference is in the details.

--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 19:02:19 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 09:11:19 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 19:24:07 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2015-08-30 00:15:08 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 10:22:47 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article 201508282125129258-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck
wrote:

I typically carry about a dozen (or more) cameras, all with either
28mm, 35mm, or 50mm lenses mounted. I will pack all three Canon
FL-mount zooms: 55-135mm, 100-200mm, 85-300mm. For prime lenses: a
couple 200mm, 500mm, 800mm, and 1200mm. The tripod is a Davis and
Sanford "jawbreaker" with a Majestic head.

No he didn't.

That has to be the most confusing set of attributes, considering that
none of those credited made the statement regarding Ken Hart's massive
burden.

nospam seems to almost never pay attention to the meaning of what he
is actually posting.

*nothing* in the above was written by me.

what i wrote has been snipped, which was that he is a hoarder.

if you're going to bash, you should quote properly.

Somewhere in much the same circumstances I read:

"nope.

you're blaming me about your ignorance regarding quote levels."

Hmm.

hmm what?

what you quoted didn't contain anything i wrote and then you criticized
me for saying it.

you clearly don't understand quote levels either.

The typical imprecision of your references leads to much ambiguity
about what you think you are saying. e.g. "What you quoted (what,
where, whom) didn't contain anything I wrote (what did it contain and
who wrote it?) and then you criticised me (what criticism?) for saying
it"
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

I typically carry about a dozen (or more) cameras, all with either
28mm, 35mm, or 50mm lenses mounted. I will pack all three Canon
FL-mount zooms: 55-135mm, 100-200mm, 85-300mm. For prime lenses: a
couple 200mm, 500mm, 800mm, and 1200mm. The tripod is a Davis and
Sanford "jawbreaker" with a Majestic head.

No he didn't.

That has to be the most confusing set of attributes, considering that
none of those credited made the statement regarding Ken Hart's massive
burden.

nospam seems to almost never pay attention to the meaning of what he
is actually posting.

*nothing* in the above was written by me.

what i wrote has been snipped, which was that he is a hoarder.

if you're going to bash, you should quote properly.

Somewhere in much the same circumstances I read:

"nope.

you're blaming me about your ignorance regarding quote levels."

Hmm.

hmm what?

what you quoted didn't contain anything i wrote and then you criticized
me for saying it.

you clearly don't understand quote levels either.

The typical imprecision of your references leads to much ambiguity
about what you think you are saying. e.g. "What you quoted (what,
where, whom) didn't contain anything I wrote (what did it contain and
who wrote it?) and then you criticised me (what criticism?) for saying
it"

there is no imprecision here.

you mentioned me, except that nothing in what you quoted included
anything i said.

you ****ed up. it's that simple.

here it is again, and note the jump in quote levels:
I typically carry about a dozen (or more) cameras, all with either
28mm, 35mm, or 50mm lenses mounted. I will pack all three Canon
FL-mount zooms: 55-135mm, 100-200mm, 85-300mm. For prime lenses: a
couple 200mm, 500mm, 800mm, and 1200mm. The tripod is a Davis and
Sanford "jawbreaker" with a Majestic head.

No he didn't.

That has to be the most confusing set of attributes, considering that
none of those credited made the statement regarding Ken Hart's massive
burden.

nospam seems to almost never pay attention to the meaning of what he
is actually posting.

*nothing* in the above was written by me.

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 20:45:59 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

I typically carry about a dozen (or more) cameras, all with either
28mm, 35mm, or 50mm lenses mounted. I will pack all three Canon
FL-mount zooms: 55-135mm, 100-200mm, 85-300mm. For prime lenses: a
couple 200mm, 500mm, 800mm, and 1200mm. The tripod is a Davis and
Sanford "jawbreaker" with a Majestic head.

No he didn't.

That has to be the most confusing set of attributes, considering that
none of those credited made the statement regarding Ken Hart's massive
burden.

nospam seems to almost never pay attention to the meaning of what he
is actually posting.

*nothing* in the above was written by me.

what i wrote has been snipped, which was that he is a hoarder.

if you're going to bash, you should quote properly.

Somewhere in much the same circumstances I read:

"nope.

you're blaming me about your ignorance regarding quote levels."

Hmm.

hmm what?

what you quoted didn't contain anything i wrote and then you criticized
me for saying it.

you clearly don't understand quote levels either.

The typical imprecision of your references leads to much ambiguity
about what you think you are saying. e.g. "What you quoted (what,
where, whom) didn't contain anything I wrote (what did it contain and
who wrote it?) and then you criticised me (what criticism?) for saying
it"

there is no imprecision here.

you mentioned me, except that nothing in what you quoted included
anything i said.

you ****ed up. it's that simple.

here it is again, and note the jump in quote levels:
I typically carry about a dozen (or more) cameras, all with either
28mm, 35mm, or 50mm lenses mounted. I will pack all three Canon
FL-mount zooms: 55-135mm, 100-200mm, 85-300mm. For prime lenses: a
couple 200mm, 500mm, 800mm, and 1200mm. The tripod is a Davis and
Sanford "jawbreaker" with a Majestic head.

No he didn't.

That has to be the most confusing set of attributes, considering that
none of those credited made the statement regarding Ken Hart's massive
burden.

nospam seems to almost never pay attention to the meaning of what he
is actually posting.

*nothing* in the above was written by me.

Nor was it written by Savageduck

--------------------------------------

In article 201508282125129258-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck
wrote:

I typically carry about a dozen (or more) cameras, all with either
28mm, 35mm, or 50mm lenses mounted. I will pack all three Canon
FL-mount zooms: 55-135mm, 100-200mm, 85-300mm. For prime lenses: a
couple 200mm, 500mm, 800mm, and 1200mm. The tripod is a Davis and
Sanford "jawbreaker" with a Majestic head.

----------------------------------------
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 8/30/2015 6:17 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 17:33:11 -0400, Davoud wrote:

Tony Cooper:
Interesting that there are baseball games in the streets of the cities
you've been in.

Davoud:
You're surprised at that? It's been common in city streets for hundreds
of years. And among indigenous Americans it is probably at least 1000
years old. It's called "stickball." I suppose when you were a kid you
could afford baseballs or softballs and bats.

I've watched and photographed stickball. There's a group of
transplanted New Yorkers that play here every weekend.

It's nothing like baseball other than the fact that ball is struck by
something.

Which to my mind makes it fundamentally identical to baseball.

So ping pong is fundamentally identical to baseball?

The ball is different, what they hit the ball with is
different, mitts are not worn, and the way the ball comes to the
batter is different. There's no pitcher and no catcher.

Minor details.

We played sandlot, not street, baseball when I was a kid.

Of course you did. You were wealthy. Probably had uniforms, too.

Hah! I am a lefty, and from a family who couldn't afford a
left-handed baseball mitt. I had to borrow a right-hander's mitt,
catch the ball in my left hand, pass it to my right hand, shake off
the mitt, pass the ball back to my left hand, and throw it to the
baseman. A one-legged batter with a bunion could round the bases
before I could throw him out.

The only game I played as a kid where I had a uniform was basketball,
and that was when we divided into two teams: shirts and skins.

When I grew up we were so poor that I had to walk to and from school.
Uphill both ways, and barefoot in the snow.


--
PeterN

On 08/31/2015 08:55 AM, PeterN wrote:

When I grew up we were so poor that I had to walk to and from school.
Uphill both ways, and barefoot in the snow.


And we liked it!

--
Ken Hart

"PeterN" wrote in message
...
On 8/30/2015 6:17 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 17:33:11 -0400, Davoud wrote:

Tony Cooper:
Interesting that there are baseball games in the streets of the
cities
you've been in.

Davoud:
You're surprised at that? It's been common in city streets for
hundreds
of years. And among indigenous Americans it is probably at least
1000
years old. It's called "stickball." I suppose when you were a kid
you
could afford baseballs or softballs and bats.

I've watched and photographed stickball. There's a group of
transplanted New Yorkers that play here every weekend.

It's nothing like baseball other than the fact that ball is struck
by
something.

Which to my mind makes it fundamentally identical to baseball.

So ping pong is fundamentally identical to baseball?

The ball is different, what they hit the ball with is
different, mitts are not worn, and the way the ball comes to the
batter is different. There's no pitcher and no catcher.

Minor details.

We played sandlot, not street, baseball when I was a kid.

Of course you did. You were wealthy. Probably had uniforms, too.

Hah! I am a lefty, and from a family who couldn't afford a
left-handed baseball mitt. I had to borrow a right-hander's mitt,
catch the ball in my left hand, pass it to my right hand, shake off
the mitt, pass the ball back to my left hand, and throw it to the
baseman. A one-legged batter with a bunion could round the bases
before I could throw him out.

The only game I played as a kid where I had a uniform was basketball,
and that was when we divided into two teams: shirts and skins.

When I grew up we were so poor that I had to walk to and from school.
Uphill both ways, and barefoot in the snow.

Wow, you had feet? We were so poor we couldn't afford feet.

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

you ****ed up. it's that simple.

here it is again, and note the jump in quote levels:
I typically carry about a dozen (or more) cameras, all with
either
28mm, 35mm, or 50mm lenses mounted. I will pack all three Canon
FL-mount zooms: 55-135mm, 100-200mm, 85-300mm. For prime
lenses: a
couple 200mm, 500mm, 800mm, and 1200mm. The tripod is a Davis
and
Sanford "jawbreaker" with a Majestic head.

No he didn't.

That has to be the most confusing set of attributes, considering
that
none of those credited made the statement regarding Ken Hart's
massive
burden.

nospam seems to almost never pay attention to the meaning of what he
is actually posting.

*nothing* in the above was written by me.

Nor was it written by Savageduck

why would anyone think that it was?

you don't understand quote levels any more than peter does.

--------------------------------------

In article 201508282125129258-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
Savageduck
wrote:

I typically carry about a dozen (or more) cameras, all with either
28mm, 35mm, or 50mm lenses mounted. I will pack all three Canon
FL-mount zooms: 55-135mm, 100-200mm, 85-300mm. For prime lenses: a
couple 200mm, 500mm, 800mm, and 1200mm. The tripod is a Davis and
Sanford "jawbreaker" with a Majestic head.

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