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On 2013.07.03 09:32 , Dave S wrote:
Reading the thread "Looking for DSLR selection recommendation" shows back-to-back reports of cameras being stolen. I just returned from a trip to southern Europe. In Rome's central train station we had an uncomfortable experience. We arrived at our platform with our luggage about 9:30 AM for an 11:30 departure, and were the only people on our platform. Two young men ran across tracks to our platform, gesturing for me to accompany them into the tunnel to see the train schedule. I, of course, did not follow, but my wife was concerned that it was my DSLR camera which attracted the attention. During this 3-week trip, my camera was constantly ready on a Blackrapid Sport harness. My question is, do you hide your camera in "risky" situations? If so, how do you do that? I don't bring my camera bag on air trips, where I only carry my camera + walking-around lens because it's meant to hold camera + three lenses, and would still advertise the presence of an expensive camera. There are steel mesh bags that go outside your camera bag. In turn, the strap has a steel cable. Neither can be cut easily. If you're doing any sort of photography it's hard to hide the equipment. Best defense is really in numbers. There used to be the odd sods who would say to mask the name of the equipment or to even false-flag it. (Your Nikon becomes a Yashica) to reduce theft to demand. Asia is famous for scooter grabs: two on a motorbike drive by, slow down, slash the strap and grab the bag. Any bag. Rome is nuts. I saw a girl/guy team lift a wallet out of a ladies purse (turning a corner, light bump, girl gets the attention "I'm so sorry....", guy lifts the wallet, they walk into the alley and then into the next street. I gestured to the lady and she checked. I bolted after the two of them and forced (without touching) them to give the wallet back. The whole time the guy is flinging insults at me. Worse part is the lady believes an American helped her.). -- "A Canadian is someone who knows how to have sex in a canoe." -Pierre Berton |
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says... On 2013.07.03 20:38 , J. Clarke wrote: In article , says... On 2013.07.03 09:32 , Dave S wrote: Reading the thread "Looking for DSLR selection recommendation" shows back-to-back reports of cameras being stolen. I just returned from a trip to southern Europe. In Rome's central train station we had an uncomfortable experience. We arrived at our platform with our luggage about 9:30 AM for an 11:30 departure, and were the only people on our platform. Two young men ran across tracks to our platform, gesturing for me to accompany them into the tunnel to see the train schedule. I, of course, did not follow, but my wife was concerned that it was my DSLR camera which attracted the attention. During this 3-week trip, my camera was constantly ready on a Blackrapid Sport harness. My question is, do you hide your camera in "risky" situations? If so, how do you do that? I don't bring my camera bag on air trips, where I only carry my camera + walking-around lens because it's meant to hold camera + three lenses, and would still advertise the presence of an expensive camera. There are steel mesh bags that go outside your camera bag. In turn, the strap has a steel cable. Neither can be cut easily. If you're doing any sort of photography it's hard to hide the equipment. Best defense is really in numbers. There used to be the odd sods who would say to mask the name of the equipment or to even false-flag it. (Your Nikon becomes a Yashica) to reduce theft to demand. Asia is famous for scooter grabs: two on a motorbike drive by, slow down, slash the strap and grab the bag. Any bag. Rome is nuts. I saw a girl/guy team lift a wallet out of a ladies purse (turning a corner, light bump, girl gets the attention "I'm so sorry....", guy lifts the wallet, they walk into the alley and then into the next street. I gestured to the lady and she checked. I bolted after the two of them and forced (without touching) them to give the wallet back. The whole time the guy is flinging insults at me. Worse part is the lady believes an American helped her.). The trouble with the metal straps is that things like scooter grabs can be turned from loss of property into serious injury. With luck it will be injury of the grabber who gets pulled off the scooter and into the path of an oncoming lorry. Personally my luck runs more in the direction of me being pulled into the path of the lorry. The person on the scooter is in a much more unstable position than a person walking or standing. OTOH the crafty buggers probably feel the resistance and abandon within a shake of a lamb's tail. The scooter's 2 up and gyrostabilized--you've got anywhere from 400-1000 pounds of mass going for you depending on the value of "scooter". |
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"J. Clarke" wrote in message .. . The person on the scooter is in a much more unstable position than a person walking or standing. OTOH the crafty buggers probably feel the resistance and abandon within a shake of a lamb's tail. The scooter's 2 up and gyrostabilized--you've got anywhere from 400-1000 pounds of mass going for you depending on the value of "scooter". Sure it is, but the passenger grabbing the bag is not attached to the scooter except by a small amount of friction of his bum on vinyl seat and feet on small rubber pegs. If his hands are firmly attached to the grab rail, he cannot steal your bag/camera. Trevor. |
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On 2013.07.03 22:28 , J. Clarke wrote:
In article , says... On 2013.07.03 20:38 , J. Clarke wrote: The trouble with the metal straps is that things like scooter grabs can be turned from loss of property into serious injury. With luck it will be injury of the grabber who gets pulled off the scooter and into the path of an oncoming lorry. Personally my luck runs more in the direction of me being pulled into the path of the lorry. The person on the scooter is in a much more unstable position than a person walking or standing. OTOH the crafty buggers probably feel the resistance and abandon within a shake of a lamb's tail. The scooter's 2 up and gyrostabilized--you've got anywhere from 400-1000 pounds of mass going for you depending on the value of "scooter". In Asia the people doing the grabbing generally mass about 50 - 60 Kg. The scooter can keep on going but he's not going with it. And as I said, as soon as the strap doesn't cut and there is resistance he's just going to let that one go. (A pound is not "mass"). -- "A Canadian is someone who knows how to have sex in a canoe." -Pierre Berton |
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In article ,
says... On 2013.07.03 22:28 , J. Clarke wrote: In article , says... On 2013.07.03 20:38 , J. Clarke wrote: The trouble with the metal straps is that things like scooter grabs can be turned from loss of property into serious injury. With luck it will be injury of the grabber who gets pulled off the scooter and into the path of an oncoming lorry. Personally my luck runs more in the direction of me being pulled into the path of the lorry. The person on the scooter is in a much more unstable position than a person walking or standing. OTOH the crafty buggers probably feel the resistance and abandon within a shake of a lamb's tail. The scooter's 2 up and gyrostabilized--you've got anywhere from 400-1000 pounds of mass going for you depending on the value of "scooter". In Asia the people doing the grabbing generally mass about 50 - 60 Kg. That's the passenger. The "driver" is another 50-60kg. The scooter can keep on going but he's not going with it. And as I said, as soon as the strap doesn't cut and there is resistance he's just going to let that one go. Who said anything about "cut"? (A pound is not "mass"). Now you are being pedantic, and ignorant as well. A pound mass is approximately 1/32 of a slug. |
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Alan Browne wrote:
On 2013.07.03 22:28 , J. Clarke wrote: In article , On 2013.07.03 20:38 , J. Clarke wrote: The trouble with the metal straps is that things like scooter grabs can be turned from loss of property into serious injury. With luck it will be injury of the grabber who gets pulled off the scooter and into the path of an oncoming lorry. Personally my luck runs more in the direction of me being pulled into the path of the lorry. The person on the scooter is in a much more unstable position than a person walking or standing. OTOH the crafty buggers probably feel the resistance and abandon within a shake of a lamb's tail. The scooter's 2 up and gyrostabilized--you've got anywhere from 400-1000 pounds of mass going for you depending on the value of "scooter". In Asia the people doing the grabbing generally mass about 50 - 60 Kg. The scooter can keep on going but he's not going with it. And as I said, as soon as the strap doesn't cut and there is resistance he's just going to let that one go. (A pound is not "mass"). The SI unit is the kg. It describes mass, which is both affected by gravity and has inertia. In this case, inertia is what is important. Say the grab happens at 20 km/h speed differential (you walk briskly at 5 km/s, the scooter is passing you at 25 km/s from behind), the grabber is not holding on the vehicle or driver at all, you're 100kg and the grabber is 50 kg. What happens --- best case for you --- is that you're suddenly accellerated to 12 km/h and the grabber braked to that speed. I.e. half your body weight has suddenly slammed into your upper body from behind, at roughly the speed you'd be able to sprint (i.e. 100 meters in 14 seconds). Since you have no chance to react --- you're not even seeing the grab coming from behind --- you'll be slammed over, your camera smashed on the ground and your face kissing the concrete at high speed. Now imagine what happens if the grabber is seated well, braced against the impact and holding onto the driver (which again holds onto the scooter. Guess the effective weight of the grabber is 3 times his 50 kg. You'll be kissing the asphalt much faster than Usain Bolt could run into a brick wall if he wanted to. You might pull the grabber off the scooter, but you're going to hospital and your camera will be dead from the impact anyways. More likely, the grabber will let go as you are yanked forward and plant your face on the sidewalk and slam your camera down with you. -Wolfgang |
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