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On 11/16/2017 11:11 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 16:41:55 -0500, nospam wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: I evaluated a lot of monitors, including some branded by Apple, before I made my decision. I feel no compulsion to discuss this further. Peter, how long have you had your present monitor? About a eighteen months, more or less. And it pretty much fits my needs. I am not responding to the troll on that subject. It's just that the first Retina display emerged in 2012 and I was fairly sure we had discussed your experiences of deciding on a new monitor since that date. that was for a macbook pro, and actually, the first retina display emerged in 2010, on the iphone 4. he was considering a display for his desktop. the first retina imac came out just 3 years ago, in october 2014, later updated to a wide gamut dci-p3 display a year later, in 2015. Still comfortably before PeterN made his decision about a replacement monitor. he was looking at a separate display, not an all in one mac, which means he didn't consider retina displays. Then why did you drag in Retina displays? So when you wrote "I evaluated a lot of monitors, including some branded by Apple, before I made my decision." and nospam replied "you did so long before there were retina displays and also received bad advice. your conclusion is therefore not valid" he was just pulling a reply out of his arse. nope. i recall he mentioned evaluating it prior to october, 2014. And made his decision several months fter that date. based on evaluations made before that date. I'm glad you were there as a witness. Afterall its not everyone who would make a decision and would then put it into effect only after several months while ignoring the subsequent new products and developments. as i recall, he only evaluated the older very glossy displays, not the more recent ones that weren't as glossy. Which are still too glossy for me and probably for PeterN. Indeed. -- PeterN |
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On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 01:43:02 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
wrote: On Thursday, 16 November 2017 18:26:53 UTC, PeterN wrote: On 11/16/2017 5:26 AM, Whisky-dave wrote: On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 16:50:23 UTC, PeterN wrote: The in context and clear meaning of my statement is that glossy monitors have issues displaying color gradations in the dark and shadow areas. My conclusion was drawn after I had conversations with users, and manufacturers representatives, including Apple. what year was this ? As I find it strange that a lot of pro photographers do use Macs, lots of graphic editors use Macs, lots of teching establishmetns use macs, we do here, specifically brough for multimedia teaching, the only time we use PCs is when quality doesnlt matter such as write up sending emails looking at websites, and teaching code writing and such. My subject is not Mac vs PC. It is monitors. So talk about monitors NOT the computer you're the one going on about PCs being upgradeable and how you have to buy another monitor and another graphics card and install a new HD, nowerdays I tened to get what I want in the package I prefer, I don;t feel the need to replace anything the next week month or even 18 months, I tend not to bother for about 3-5 years then upgrade. My 'PC' upgrades come about once every six years. In the early days of computers real upgrades came out faster so my upgrade path was about every 18 months. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: It's just that the first Retina display emerged in 2012 and I was fairly sure we had discussed your experiences of deciding on a new monitor since that date. that was for a macbook pro, and actually, the first retina display emerged in 2010, on the iphone 4. he was considering a display for his desktop. the first retina imac came out just 3 years ago, in october 2014, later updated to a wide gamut dci-p3 display a year later, in 2015. Still comfortably before PeterN made his decision about a replacement monitor. he was looking at a separate display, not an all in one mac, which means he didn't consider retina displays. Then why did you drag in Retina displays? because they're much higher quality, much sharper and overall better. |
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: As I find it strange that a lot of pro photographers do use Macs, lots of graphic editors use Macs, lots of teching establishmetns use macs, we do here, specifically brough for multimedia teaching, the only time we use PCs is when quality doesnlt matter such as write up sending emails looking at websites, and teaching code writing and such. I can't explain the photographers or teaching establishments but most graphic editors work with commercial print media or sRGB, the ****ty ones might. the better graphic editors do not. Correct me o learned one: what do they use? argb, and now dci-p3 is becoming common. That's a color space and has nothing much to do with the abilities of the monitor. false. neither of which are worrth a damn when it comes to resolving fine detail in the shadows. also wrong. Even the best of commercial print media is limited in it's ability to print a really deep black, let alone display subtle variations in deep grey tonality. You may believe otherwise but there is a fortune waiting for you if you can prove your claims for a conventional commercial printing system. deep black != shadow detail. But the ability to display subtle variations in in deep grey tonality does = shadow detail. false. Please note that I did say at the beginning "most graphic editors work with commercial print media or sRGB". I'm not talking about specialty print techniques. most ****ty ones do. the better ones do not. The better ones are not 'most'. you're contradicting yourself again. I'm not pursuing this any further. wise choice. |
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On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 17:21:27 -0500, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: It's just that the first Retina display emerged in 2012 and I was fairly sure we had discussed your experiences of deciding on a new monitor since that date. that was for a macbook pro, and actually, the first retina display emerged in 2010, on the iphone 4. he was considering a display for his desktop. the first retina imac came out just 3 years ago, in october 2014, later updated to a wide gamut dci-p3 display a year later, in 2015. Still comfortably before PeterN made his decision about a replacement monitor. he was looking at a separate display, not an all in one mac, which means he didn't consider retina displays. Then why did you drag in Retina displays? because they're much higher quality, much sharper and overall better. But, as you have now explained, irrelevant to the discussion of PeterN's needs. So why did you drag them in? -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: It's just that the first Retina display emerged in 2012 and I was fairly sure we had discussed your experiences of deciding on a new monitor since that date. that was for a macbook pro, and actually, the first retina display emerged in 2010, on the iphone 4. he was considering a display for his desktop. the first retina imac came out just 3 years ago, in october 2014, later updated to a wide gamut dci-p3 display a year later, in 2015. Still comfortably before PeterN made his decision about a replacement monitor. he was looking at a separate display, not an all in one mac, which means he didn't consider retina displays. Then why did you drag in Retina displays? because they're much higher quality, much sharper and overall better. But, as you have now explained, irrelevant to the discussion of PeterN's needs. So why did you drag them in? i said no such thing. in fact, i said the *opposite*. |
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On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 22:14:09 -0500, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: It's just that the first Retina display emerged in 2012 and I was fairly sure we had discussed your experiences of deciding on a new monitor since that date. that was for a macbook pro, and actually, the first retina display emerged in 2010, on the iphone 4. he was considering a display for his desktop. the first retina imac came out just 3 years ago, in october 2014, later updated to a wide gamut dci-p3 display a year later, in 2015. Still comfortably before PeterN made his decision about a replacement monitor. he was looking at a separate display, not an all in one mac, which means he didn't consider retina displays. Then why did you drag in Retina displays? because they're much higher quality, much sharper and overall better. But, as you have now explained, irrelevant to the discussion of PeterN's needs. So why did you drag them in? i said no such thing. in fact, i said the *opposite*. You wrote: "he was looking at a separate display, not an all in one mac, which means he didn't consider retina displays." As you well know he *couldn't* consider retina displays as there were/are none independent of the computer. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: he was looking at a separate display, not an all in one mac, which means he didn't consider retina displays. Then why did you drag in Retina displays? because they're much higher quality, much sharper and overall better. But, as you have now explained, irrelevant to the discussion of PeterN's needs. So why did you drag them in? i said no such thing. in fact, i said the *opposite*. You wrote: "he was looking at a separate display, not an all in one mac, which means he didn't consider retina displays." As you well know he *couldn't* consider retina displays as there were/are none independent of the computer. he could have. he chose not to. as did you. |
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On 11/20/2017 5:44 AM, Whisky-dave wrote:
snip I did that too, I didn't need to take the computer apart either. For me technology is still moving fast enoguh for me to to want to leave it 8 years before upgrading, you prefer upgrading individual components, I prefer for the most part getting a new computer. You must have more money than I: my earlier quote from Cato is applicable he "Emas non quod opus est, sed quod necesse est. Quod non opus est, asse carum est." -- PeterN |
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On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:43:16 -0500, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: he was looking at a separate display, not an all in one mac, which means he didn't consider retina displays. Then why did you drag in Retina displays? because they're much higher quality, much sharper and overall better. But, as you have now explained, irrelevant to the discussion of PeterN's needs. So why did you drag them in? i said no such thing. in fact, i said the *opposite*. You wrote: "he was looking at a separate display, not an all in one mac, which means he didn't consider retina displays." As you well know he *couldn't* consider retina displays as there were/are none independent of the computer. he could have. he chose not to. as did you. Ye daft loon! He could have considered a display using a sports stadium filled with fans holding up colored cards! https://i.pinimg.com/originals/84/75...e10f60a04b.jpg For some reason he chose not to. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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