Provia 100F and Reala

Hi,

If the objective is to digitise the films with a scanner, is there
still a point in using the slide film? Some points courtesy of Google:

- The Reala and Provia has about the same brilliant colours.
- The RMS figures for slides and negatives cannot be compared directly.

- Negs have a wider exposure latitude, so you can get more of the
bright sky and dark foliage.

Will the scanned negative turn up larger grain?

Your comments appreciated.

thanks
Matthew

I'd probably go with negatives, because the maximum densities, and
contrast, are less.


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Hi,

If the objective is to digitise the films with a scanner, is there
still a point in using the slide film? Some points courtesy of Google:

- The Reala and Provia has about the same brilliant colours.
- The RMS figures for slides and negatives cannot be compared directly.

- Negs have a wider exposure latitude, so you can get more of the
bright sky and dark foliage.

Will the scanned negative turn up larger grain?

Your comments appreciated.

thanks
Matthew

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Hi,

If the objective is to digitise the films with a scanner, is there
still a point in using the slide film? Some points courtesy of Google:

- The Reala and Provia has about the same brilliant colours.
- The RMS figures for slides and negatives cannot be compared directly.

- Negs have a wider exposure latitude, so you can get more of the
bright sky and dark foliage.

Will the scanned negative turn up larger grain?

Your comments appreciated.

thanks
Matthew


The more I scan slides and negs of Provia and others I find the slides
come up better in various manipulations. Colors always come across well
where with scanned negatives I seem to run into more problems and I end
up not as happy with the results. This is just my experience and I never
really looked into the whys. Perhaps the more technically minded,
hopefully fending off the trolls, can offer some reasons why the slides
look better. I just do what works. Call it Zen scanning.

I've done extensive scanning of both.
Kodachrome gives unbelievably fine grain and fantastic resolution but
Digital Ice (a dust spotting software) does not work on it with my
scanner.
Neg Film gives good scans but if you want to increase the contrast it
gets a bit grainy.
Sensia, Provia are very fine-grained. Velvia is very fine grained but
gives rather harsh spectacular colours.
In MF print film is perfect. In 35 I think slide is better.

From my experience (Using Minolta Dimage Scan Dual III) scanned slides
have significantly less noise than negatives. So stick to slides, and
while at it, try the new Fuji Velvia 100F, as brilliant in color
rendition as the olde Velvia but at double the speed.

cheers, Marko

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If the objective is to digitise the films with a scanner, is there
still a point in using the slide film? Some points courtesy of Google:

- The Reala and Provia has about the same brilliant colours.
- The RMS figures for slides and negatives cannot be compared directly.

- Negs have a wider exposure latitude, so you can get more of the
bright sky and dark foliage.

Will the scanned negative turn up larger grain?

Maybe not so much larger grain, but the grain in slide film tends to be
less intrusive.

Best thing is to make sure that you are comfortable scanning both slide and
negative film. In my experience, scanning negative film tends to be more
complicated.

After scanning, slide looks different from color negative film. Select
film according to taste.




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The more I scan slides and negs of Provia and others I find the slides
come up better in various manipulations. Colors always come across well
where with scanned negatives I seem to run into more problems and I end
up not as happy with the results. This is just my experience and I never
really looked into the whys. Perhaps the more technically minded,
hopefully fending off the trolls, can offer some reasons why the slides
look better. I just do what works. Call it Zen scanning.

Its a question of film and scanner Dmax. However, if your scanner is
Dmax challenged, negatives will scan "better".

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If the objective is to digitise the films with a scanner, is there
still a point in using the slide film? Some points courtesy of Google:

there sure is. Always leaves me with superior scans, less (and more
pleasing) grain, better colour rendition overall, etc.

- The Reala and Provia has about the same brilliant colours.

Maybe, but quite different colour profiles. Reala is far more subdued than
is Provia, Provia is cooler (stronger blues versus stronger green and grey
in Reala).

- The RMS figures for slides and negatives cannot be compared directly.


True.

- Negs have a wider exposure latitude, so you can get more of the
bright sky and dark foliage.


Maybe true, but I hardly ever miss that.

Will the scanned negative turn up larger grain?


Yes (and that's from personal experience scanning them both using the same
hardware and software).

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Hi,

If the objective is to digitise the films with a scanner, is there
still a point in using the slide film? Some points courtesy of Google:

- The Reala and Provia has about the same brilliant colours.
- The RMS figures for slides and negatives cannot be compared directly.

- Negs have a wider exposure latitude, so you can get more of the
bright sky and dark foliage.

Will the scanned negative turn up larger grain?

No, not neccessarily. A film like Portra 160NC has very fine grain (if
a quieter color palette). I believe its livelier versions (such 160VC)
are just as fine grained. Your points ar valid. On the other hand, you
can't project a neagitve (well you can, but ...) and there is something
about the look of slide film that negatives just can't do.
The narrow latitude of slide film is a benefit in other ways where
creativity is concerned.

Cheers,
Alan


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Hi,

If the objective is to digitise the films with a scanner, is there
still a point in using the slide film? Some points courtesy of Google:

- The Reala and Provia has about the same brilliant colours.
- The RMS figures for slides and negatives cannot be compared directly.

- Negs have a wider exposure latitude, so you can get more of the
bright sky and dark foliage.

Will the scanned negative turn up larger grain?

Your comments appreciated.

thanks
Matthew


Try both and see, otherwise you'll never really know what works best for
you, on your system, with your scanner. Reala's a great film though, but
Velvia (the slide film I prefer) definitely scans more cleanly.

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